Clayton Hinkley The.....

[silverscope]

Tagger???????

Clayton Hinkley
We were pleased with his game. He had a run-with role on Steven Armstrong – the first time he's ever done that. He finished with 11 possessions and a goal, but we knew what the role was so we were judging him on that. It was a good challenge for him.

Gilmore was Malaxos' best performer in the WAFL at the weekend, just shading young ruckman Zac Clarke, while Clayton Hinkley's first performance as a tagger was noteworthy.

Interesting that they decided to see how he would go with a Tagging role, I think that with his speed and ability in traffic he could become a pretty handy Tagger, would be handy adding another one to Crowley, DeBoer and might allow Schammer to not play that role and just win the ball

 

[Chris25]

I don't think there is any doubt that Hinkley will be a good tagger. Plus there wouldn't be too many taggers capable of hurting the opposition the other way with their speed.

Hinkley and DeBoer would make a pretty handy tagging team in my opinion.

 

[silverscope]

Plus there wouldn't be too many taggers capable of hurting the opposition the other way with their speed.

Haha... sorry i laughed at that last word....

Usually to descibe a tagger hurting the opposition the other way its with disposal.... But as long as he dishes the handball out to someone who can kick it (atleast until he gets better, if he gets better at kicking it) then i don't see why he couldn't be successful as a tagger

 

[Chris25]

Haha... sorry i laughed at that last word....

Usually to descibe a tagger hurting the opposition the other way its with disposal.... But as long as he dishes the handball out to someone who can kick it (atleast until he gets better, if he gets better at kicking it) then i don't see why he couldn't be successful as a tagger

The more games Hinkley plays, the better his disposal will get. And tagging could be the way for him to get those games.

And you're right, he'll be fine as long as he handballs it to someone like Palmer...umm DeBoer....hmm....well I'm sure he'll find someone to give the ball off to.

 

[silverscope]

The more games Hinkley plays, the better his disposal will get. And tagging could be the way for him to get those games.

And you're right, he'll be fine as long as he handballs it to someone like Palmer...umm DeBoer....hmm....well I'm sure he'll find someone to give the ball off to.

Disposal Effectiveness;

De Boer - 73%
Palmer - 66%
Hinkley - 60%




on a side note: Tarrant is 85%... geez!!!

 

[Chris25]

You just had to bring stats into the argument, didn't you?

 

[Chops_a_must]

I don't think there is any doubt that Hinkley will be a good tagger.

How?

He can't tackle, win a hard ball and is as soft as they come.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

How?

He can't tackle, win a hard ball and is as soft as they come.

you are way too harsh on hinkley. he will be a gun

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

Sounds to me like they are trying to find something that Hinkley is good at, seeing as he isn't any good and what he's doing now. Not good signs at all.

Usually they will nuture and encourage they player to futher develop their attributes rather than change them and build them into something new straight away.

Not happy about this AT ALL

 

[sabre_ac]

Can't see how else he would get a game, so tagging it is.

 

[DOCKERZ]

I'm neither on or off the Hinkley bandwagon yet, but I did notice he played on Armstrong last week, and kept him to 16 disposals (including receiving 5 free kicks).

Armstrong's previous 5 games have been:
33 disp vs Peel
27 disp vs East Perth
36 disp vs Subiaco
32 disp vs Claremont
21 disp vs East Freo

So can't say it was a bad start to his tagging career...

 

[Selggad]

I agree it could be a good way to get some games into him and take the pressure off a bit. He has that rabbit in the headlights look a lot of the time when he gets the ball so a specific job might be just the thing for a while.

 

[Lach72]

Sounds to me like they are trying to find something that Hinkley is good at, seeing as he isn't any good and what he's doing now. Not good signs at all.

This ^^^^^

 

[Chris25]

Sounds to me like they are trying to find something that Hinkley is good at, seeing as he isn't any good and what he's doing now. Not good signs at all.

Instead of taking a negative view, you could take the view that the coaches rate him as a player and want to get in the team. At the moment there are other midfielders ahead of him, but playing as a tagger could be the way to get him in as soon as possible.

All young players are tested in different positions, what they are doing with Hinkley is what most teams do with their young players. If anything this is good news, as it will add another string to his bow.

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

Instead of taking a negative view, you could take the view that the coaches rate him as an athlete and want to get in the team. At the moment all the other midfielders ahead of him, but playing as a tagger could be the way to get him in as soon as possible.

All young players are tested in different positions, what they are doing with Hinkley is what most teams do with their young players. If anything this is good news, as it will add another string to his bow.

Just thought i'd add a bit to your OP in bold.

I'm usually one to see the positives in things, but really, the signs are there to be seen that this pick was one of trying to turn an athlete into a player, what we are seeing is that he doesn't have the capabilities to be able to learn the game and worst of all is having trouble learning how to kick the ball.

This happens alot, teams try to turn great athletes into football players, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. As for trying them out in different positions, yeah that's all very well and good, but name 1 position that he has stood out in so far? All the others have shown that they are more than capable of holding their own in those sopts. Hinkley has shown 1 game late in last year. But unfortunately for him, this isn''t late last year, there are 14 new players in the team, and most of them are showing they are better than him. That's the crux of the matter. That's all.

 

[Selggad]

Give him a go. We're blooding young players and getting games into people and experimenting with a few things. Hinkley is on the list and has played well before, so he is capable of it. We don't have many options on the list. I mean, do you want to bring back Gilmore or Head or Murphy? If Hinkley has proven he can't cut it at the end of the year, it's the end of the line for him (dunno where is at contract wise). If a bit of game time and a few moves like this pay off, well and good. We don't really have anything to lose by trying some new ideas.

 

[Chris25]

I've already said everything possible on Hinkley, so just assume I will say nothing but positives in regards to him.

But the fact is that Hinkley is still a project player, and some of the new guys are ahead of him in terms of their development. Yet he has shown just as much as somone like Suban in my opinion, and that game against Collingwood was excellent last year. A lot of our new guys are very developed for their age, and it seems that Hinkley is being unfairly criticised because of this.

Teaching him to tag will do nothing but further his development as a player, and at this stage in his career that can only be a positive. He has only played one WAFL game as a tagger, how about we give him a shot? Who's to say he wont be a better tagger than Crowley or De Boer?

 

[shibz_1989]

Sounds to me like they are trying to find something that Hinkley is good at, seeing as he isn't any good and what he's doing now. Not good signs at all.

Usually they will nuture and encourage they player to futher develop their attributes rather than change them and build them into something new straight away.

Not happy about this AT ALL

Good points made here, but look at Tarrant? Although he has been an AA forward, he eventually failed. Now he's an excellent defender...so maybe it's a good thing?

 

[loopa]

well said Selggad. not sure why everyone is so keen to write off a 2nd year player with a handful of games to his name.
we have to give him a few years to develop before trading/de-listing him

 

[MadMac]

I talked him up a bit last year and still believe that there's a future for him at the club, however more likely than not, he'll just be a depth player comin g in and out of the 22 for the next 2-3 years. I'd still have him ahead of Murphy, Happy and Head though.

 

[E Shed]

I've already said everything possible on Hinkley, so just assume I will say nothing but positives in regards to him.

But the fact is that Hinkley is still a project player, and some of the new guys are ahead of him in terms of their development. Yet he has shown just as much as somone like Suban in my opinion, and that game against Collingwood was excellent last year. A lot of our new guys are very developed for their age, and it seems that Hinkley is being unfairly criticised because of this.

Teaching him to tag will do nothing but further his development as a player, and at this stage in his career that can only be a positive. He has only played one WAFL game as a tagger, how about we give him a shot? Who's to say he wont be a better tagger than Crowley or De Boer?

Chris I know you are a big wrap for Hinkley but there simply isn't any way you can say he has shown as much as Suban. Suban is a very tough, smart footballer with a kick like a mule. He scraps for every contest, reads the play well and looks already like a solid 10 year player. The kind that may not star but regularly turns in a good game.
Hinkley has done some very nice things at times but often looks lost even at WAFL level. His kicking under pressure is suspect however he looks good when he has some time & space.
I'm all for keeping him around and hope he finds the consistency to match it at the top level because as we've seen his best is pretty handy.

 

[estibador]

How?

He can't tackle, win a hard ball and is as soft as they come.

I wouldn't have phrased it so negatively but in essence I agree - Hinkley doesn't have the right make-up to be an AFL tagger. It's the same thing I said when we briefly dabbled with trying Peake as a tagger a year or two back.

Look at our best tagger and his heir apparent (Crowley and DeBoer). Look at all the other top taggers around the league - Cornes, Ling, Baker, etc. They're all hard, niggly little bastards.

It takes a certain mongrel mindset to be a really good tagger and you can't just turn any underperforming 'outside' player into one and expect them to be any good just because they're fast and/or fit.

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

Good points made here, but look at Tarrant? Although he has been an AA forward, he eventually failed. Now he's an excellent defender...so maybe it's a good thing?

Yeah, but had Tarrant Failed at being a defender, you can pretty much guess at how long we would have kept him at the club.

Look Chris25, I'm more than happy to let Hinkley develop in the WAFL trying out different positions, whatever. Hopefully he finds a niche somewhere and becomes a great player for us. That being said, I'm not hanging my hopes on that happening anytime soon, there are some players that just look made for AFL, while others like Hinkley, Drum, Gilmore never quiet make the grade for one reason or another.

Then again, geez it would be nice for him to 'do a duff' (that's right, it's become a saying)

 

[shibz_1989]

Look at our best tagger and his heir apparent (Crowley and DeBoer). Look at all the other top taggers around the league - Cornes, Ling, Baker, etc. They're all hard, ugly, niggly little bastards.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Yeah, but had Tarrant Failed at being a defender, you can pretty much guess at how long we would have kept him at the club.

Look Chris25, I'm more than happy to let Hinkley develop in the WAFL trying out different positions, whatever. Hopefully he finds a niche somewhere and becomes a great player for us. That being said, I'm not hanging my hopes on that happening anytime soon, there are some players that just look made for AFL, while others like Hinkley, Drum, Gilmore never quiet make the grade for one reason or another.

Then again, geez it would be nice for him to 'do a duff' (that's right, it's become a saying)

hinkley is definetly not in that catagory yet... gee the guy is 19