Climate Change Arguing

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I’m not equating anything. I’m just laughing at what protesters are suddenly “allowed” to do.

Yeah cool, we’re late to the party by 20 years to make changes. But we’re making changes now, are we not?

These climate scientists, do they have a plan for us to run solely on renewables even sooner? If so, I’d love to see it. This isn’t just a switch you can flick.

It’s deadset ridiculous.

-LETS BAN COAL AND OIL NOW!!

-OK cool, done, what’s the alternative solution for us then, for the short to medium term?

-AHHHHHH, UMMMMMMM, MURDOCH!

There's absolutely no need for Adani and all the other new coal mines and no need for new gas.
Glad you see the funny side, you don't understand the depth of the problem at all champ.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

From our friends across the pond a punter having a polite conversation with the 46th President of the United States.

Across the pond? If you're gunna copy someone elses posting, at least make it geographically relevant

 

[Del203211]

There's absolutely no need for Adani and all the other new coal mines and no need for new gas.
Glad you see the funny side, you don't understand the depth of the problem at all champ.

It’s not about it being funny. You’re very vocal on here for someone with no alternative plan. You want things hurried up, with no other thoughts or concerns on repercussions of rushing it. Things need to be put in place, planned and built. Gluing your hand to an airport runway isn’t going to speed it up.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

It’s not about it being funny. You’re very vocal on here for someone with no alternative plan. You want things hurried up, with no other thoughts or concerns on repercussions of rushing it. Things need to be put in place, planned and built. Gluing your hand to an airport runway isn’t going to speed it up.

No alternative plan? How about no new coal, gas and fracking and investing in large scale renewables which are quicker to build than new gas and coal.
How about adressing our massive exports of coal?
There is a clear alternative plan, always has been.

 

[JackOutback]

There are people around the world blocking traffic, glueing themselves to items and damaging property.

Perhaps a smarter move would be peacefully protesting out the front of Chris Bowens office rather than annoying other people who are just trying to drive to work, who have nothing to do with our emission targets.

Because if we've learnt anything from successful protests of the past, it's that not inconveniencing anyone or even being seen is the key?

For the record, I don't agree with damaging art and history, but protests are ignored until people actually can't ignore them anymore. The problem is, people don't equate protesting for the environment with protests for, say, human rights or to end oppression, when the death of the environment is actually a more existential threat.

 

[Del203211]

Because if we've learnt anything from successful protests of the past, it's that not inconveniencing anyone or even being seen is the key?

For the record, I don't agree with damaging art and history, but protests are ignored until people actually can't ignore them anymore. The problem is, people don't equate protesting for the environment with protests for, say, human rights or to end oppression, when the death of the environment is actually a more existential threat.

What do they actually want though?
They want us to act now. We are, aren’t we?

If they want to ban coal and oil now, then where does that leave us right now?

 

[JackOutback]

They want us to act now. We are, aren’t we?

Not really, no, there's still too many gas and oil plants being given approval. We're talking the talk but not walking the walk, which is what protests want to highlight.

 

[Del203211]

Not really, no, there's still too many gas and oil plants being given approval. We're talking the talk but not walking the walk, which is what protests want to highlight.

Do we need them for the short to medium term? And if not, why?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Do we need them for the short to medium term? And if not, why?

No we don't need any new coal or gas. Albanese had a clear choice to back gas or renewables and he caved in to the unions.

 

[Del203211]

No we don't need any new coal or gas. Albanese had a clear choice to back gas or renewables and he caved in to the unions.

So we’re fine then with what we’ve got + renewables from now until net zero target?

You can say with absolute certainty that there would be zero energy concerns in that time if we remove new gas and coal?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Havent been wrong about anything. Long live beautiful, reliable coal.

Says a lot about you and your ignorance.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

So we’re fine then with what we’ve got + renewables from now until net zero target?

Yes. Renewables can get built at the same speed or quicker than gas projects.

 

[Del203211]

Yes. Renewables can get built at the same speed or quicker than gas projects.

Is this your estimated opinion or are there actual experts out there who have stated that, with absolute certainty, that there would be zero energy concerns in that time if we remove new gas and coal?

 

[JackOutback]

Do we need them for the short to medium term? And if not, why?

They are approving projects that will last for 30-50 years... I would think there's some in there we don't need need.

Here's an idea, let's leave some in the ground for future generations, not hoard it all ourselves, let the profits flow into the pockets of a wealthy few and reinforce inequality for generations to come.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Is this your estimated opinion or are there actual experts out there who have stated that, with absolute certainty, that there would be zero energy concerns in that time if we remove new gas and coal?

That's fact, you need to stop listening to coal lobby bs.
There is massive scope for more renewables at the moment.

 

[Del203211]

They are approving projects that will last for 30-50 years... I would think there's some in there we don't need need.

Here's an idea, let's leave some in the ground for future generations, not hoard it all ourselves, let the profits flow into the pockets of a wealthy few and reinforce inequality for generations to come.

I’m all for that. I’m also all for any transition that’s required as long as it doesn’t impact our current energy needs.

 

[Kram]

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[Ned_Flanders]

Protest marches on climate don't work. They do nothing.
The next step is what's happening now .It doesn't damage any property, apart from glass on paintings and only holds up traffic momentarily. Not much trouble considering what is at stake.
The step after that is direct action where coal mines are sabotaged and coal CEO's are placed under citizens arrest.

what are the art work protests achieving though?

they are not triggering debate or awareness, all they are doing is getting laughed at for their stupidity

Im all for non-violent protest, but I dont even know what these guys are trying to achieve other than getting their heads on TV

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

what are the art work protests achieving though?

they are not triggering debate or awareness, all they are doing is getting laughed at for their stupidity

Im all for non-violent protest, but I dont even know what these guys are trying to achieve other than getting their heads on TV

They draw media attention. What other ideas are there?

 

[Del203211]

They draw media attention. What other ideas are there?

It’s concerning that you are promoting this behaviour. Damaging someone else’s property is not protesting. Nor should it be applauded because “climate disasters are worse than the damage done”. They have no right to damage anyone else’s property.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

They draw media attention. What other ideas are there?

draw media attention to the glue fiesta, not to the issue

great to improve your insta profile, shit at raising the profile of an important issue

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

It’s concerning that you are promoting this behaviour. Damaging someone else’s property is not protesting. Nor should it be applauded because “climate disasters are worse than the damage done”. They have no right to damage anyone else’s property.

Well lay charges. These people are trying to avert a catastrophe that we are sleep walking into. They aren't damaging anything apart from glass.They can pay for new glass. The real criminals are the people getting rich off putting carbon into the air unnecessarily when there is alternatives.
There's only one planet. Look what's happenning to it.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

draw media attention to the glue fiesta, not to the issue

great to improve your insta profile, s**t at raising the profile of an important issue

It's not like that at all. You sell them short. They are helping humanity . How many more bushfires, floods and animal extinctions do we want ffs.
Science is being ignored . The science is plain to see.
The Labor unions are criminal as well. That resources minister, Madeleine King is a disgrace. She spruiks new fossil fuel projects on behalf of the unions and the super rich.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Well lay charges. These people are trying to avert a catastrophe that we are sleep walking into. They aren't damaging anything apart from glass.They can pay for new glass. The real criminals are the people getting rich off putting carbon into the air unnecessarily when there is alternatives.
There's only one planet. Look what's happenning to it.

so where do you personally draw the line?

What crime can i commit in the name of climate change when you will no longer support my "protest"?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

It's not like that at all. You sell them short. They are helping humanity . How many more bushfires, floods and animal extinctions do we want ffs.
Science is being ignored . The science is plain to see.
The Labor unions are criminal as well. That resources minister, Madeleine King is a disgrace. She spruiks new fossil fuel projects on behalf of the unions and the super rich.

they havent done that though. there is now more awareness on "climate" from these issues now from before they started

name one law that has been created or changed as a result of these protests