Collingwood List Management Thread

[Shade]

Don't know, under normal circumstances i wouldn't have brought it up but if their willing to pay overs (because he's a NSWs boy) then you'd think we'd suss it out, could snare an early second/shit maybe even late first rounder, obviously wouldn't be worth that on the open market though at this stage.

so your saying tom young to GWS for a late first rounder on one afl game '
good god what have u been smoking

 

[Scodog10]

Source: A family friend who is employed by your football club

Why would you be asking us if there's any truth to the rumour if you're the one with the source

Both are contracted AFAIK so it would seem odd for them to want out. Especially Toovey who would be next cab off the rank with Thomas and Cloke as a potential member of the leadership group from next year onwards.

Stranger things have happened though!

 

[RuFiO]

A friend of a friend......of a friend of a friend.

 

[the distributer]

so your saying tom young to GWS for a late first rounder on one afl game '
good god what have u been smoking

Crack, want some?

I did say he wouldn't be worth that on the open market, but word has it they are paying a premium for NSWs talent, Tom (i think) has shown he could be a regular at our club within 12 mnths, shit, maybe even next season.

 

[KissmeRobbo]

Interesting game from Wood, looked more comfortable against Sandilands than Jolly did.

 

[sr36]

Crack, want some?

I did say he wouldn't be worth that on the open market, but word has it they are paying a premium for NSWs talent, Tom (i think) has shown he could be a regular at our club within 12 mnths, shit, maybe even next season.

Last year was Young's draft year. He won a best and fairest in the VFL. He appears to have the athletic attributes. Surely he would have gone in the top 25 if he had have been on the open market. I don't see why his value would have dropped since.

 

[blaze036]

young would be worth 20-30, not sure why he'd be traded though

 

[Knightmare]

Last year was Young's draft year. He won a best and fairest in the VFL. He appears to have the athletic attributes. Surely he would have gone in the top 25 if he had have been on the open market. I don't see why his value would have dropped since.

Would have gone approx late 2nd round early 3rd round last year. Not a 1st round talent.

To trade would still only be worth a 2nd rounder this year (being a pick in the 30s)

Might as well retain.

 

[sr36]

Would have gone approx late 2nd round early 3rd round last year. Not a 1st round talent.

To trade would still only be worth a 2nd rounder this year (being a pick in the 30s)

Might as well retain.

I'll be pretty happy if we draft an athletic 6 foot 3, 18 year old, state league best and fairest winner with our first round choice this year. His value is hard to rate because he didnt' go the traditional underage apprenticeship, but I suspect that you are undervaluing him.

 

[twaters]

Young - tick a keeper. Sinclair - still AFL agnostic. Legspeed/carry for next year - Seedsman, JThomas, Ugle, Cribbin all need a chance and seem exciting.

Talls? We're probably going to have NBrown back next year; with a developing Keeffe and Hartley on board as a rookie; possibly Stewart year after; and Ceglar/Witts developing as tall forwards and ruck roles slowly. Of the current tall rookies, Gordan at least should get another year to develop into his best role; Big Shae, Reilly and Perham have shown glimpses, but could be unlucky. Jolly and Wood should continue; the Anvil might be pursuaded to continue for a last year despite his aches and pains, because the magic 250 AFL games milestone beckons in 2012. So, it's fairly crowded in big dudes land as well.

Still imponderables remain: trade period - will Goldy, JMac, SBucks, or the Caff want to head to GWS for more ops? What's with the Stubbs situation? Unlikely to get an O'Meara out of all that. Marty Clarke - what would we give up to get back a mature age player that will unlikely play in 2012?

If none of that happens, then we'd imagine that Johnson's body and Davis' home-loyalties are the main two who may retire end of season. Both are on Vets List already so less salary counted under the cap, but we may be down to counting the beans soon.

Otherwise, would think that Brad Dick, Trent Stubbs, and even Daniel Farmer could be looking over their shoulders or be rookie bound?

 

[Harry O]

Travis Tuck would be a handy mature aged midfield pick up, for a team in their premiership window. Super talent. If he gets off field issues on track, could be an inspired (and cheap) purchase.

 

[blaze036]

Travis Tuck would be a handy mature aged midfield pick up, for a team in their premiership window. Super talent. If he gets off field issues on track, could be an inspired (and cheap) purchase.

lacks leg speed, and skill not sure why we'd take him he'd never get a game with sidebottom and beams ect improving. Way better idea to get an 18 year old who could play more games than him in 2012 anyway, his not good. At best somone will rookie list him, if that.

 

[Ed D]

Unless Tuck's changed his ways, when he was at Hawthorn he was never hard at the ball. He was the type of player who would stand over a pack while his team mates would tackle and he'd wait for the loose ball to spill out. If he ever had a player near him he wouldn't get the ball.

 

[Knightmare]

Thought now that the home and away season is finished that I should updated this thread a fair bit.

Adjusted player rankings.

Adjusted potential delistings along with potential retirements.

Edited my list of draftees we should target as well as trading ideas.

Also added a projected best 22 for 2012 which I know there will be ALLOT of disagreement over - just the way I like it

 

[smiddaz123]

Sorry, but you honestly need to get the idea that we could trade for Daw out of your head. It has no logic behind it other than you want him to play for Collingwood. It simply won't happen.

 

[Number 10]

Good write up, as per usual.

I am very interested to know why you have Brent Macaffer at number 36? Is it purely because of his form this year or do you not see him as having a future in our team beyond 2011? Because I would say he will be close to best 22 next year if he is fit, like you said his tackling and what he can offer up forward is unique.

Also, I'm interested in this:

Projected best 22 2012:
F: Andrew Krakouer Chris Dawes Steele Sidebottom
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Alan Didak
CEN: Dale Thomas Scott Pendlebury Dayne Beams
HB: Nick Maxwell Ben Reid Harry O’Brien
B: Heath Shaw Chris Tarrant Alan Toovey
FOLL: Darren Jolly Luke Ball Dane Swan
BENCH: Sharrod Wellingham Lachlan Keeffe Paul Seedsman Josh Thomas
Well in the mix: Jye Bolton Nathan Brown Jarryd Blair Tyson Goldsack Brent Macaffer

I'm guessing Keeffe is our Leigh Brown replacement, Fasolo for Davis...Seedsman/Thomas for Blair/Johnson? I would have thought Macaffer/Goldsack, Blair stay in the team.
Do you see the young ones being better prospects than these two?

 

[Ron]

As for the op, i beg of you to put some spaces in between the paragraphs. atm it just looks like one massive wall of text.

 

[dunno4]

As you did an update yesterday it should reflect Brown retiring and maybe move Wood up as a result.

 

[bballscout]

Interested to see your opinions, How many games would Danny Stanley have got this season if was still @ Collingwood?

Has developed into a very good player, topped our goal kicking chart ahead of Ablett/Lynch and should be top 5 at worst in our best and fairest.

 

[mdc]

Interested to see your opinions, How many games would Danny Stanley have got this season if was still @ Collingwood?

Has developed into a very good player, topped our goal kicking chart ahead of Ablett/Lynch and should be top 5 at worst in our best and fairest.

Not many, if any. He was always a good player, but Malthouse simply doesn't rate him for whatever reason.

 

[TradeDraft]

Just looking at your Possible Draft Picks and my thoughts are;

RD 1:
Markworth sounds very interesting prospect and does sounds like a Hine type with Great Character and Versatile

Do we really need another Small Backman with Luke Brown?

Manson is a High Risk High Reward pick at the moment

RD 2:

I like Lockyer as he a Tough Nut who does not take a Backwards Step. His Dad is the WA Recurter for Collingwood

Merriet sounds like an Intresting Prospect with his speed

You are big Fan of Ross and Raikiwasa

 

[Knightmare]

Sorry, but you honestly need to get the idea that we could trade for Daw out of your head. It has no logic behind it other than you want him to play for Collingwood. It simply won't happen.

Why not I say. Not an established player. Still a rookie after 2 years. Very possible to trade into him if we throw the right pieces at NM, but I can understand the view that likely he wants to stay at NM.
Certainly wouldn't overlook it.

Good write up, as per usual.

I am very interested to know why you have Brent Macaffer at number 36? Is it purely because of his form this year or do you not see him as having a future in our team beyond 2011? Because I would say he will be close to best 22 next year if he is fit, like you said his tackling and what he can offer up forward is unique.

Also, I'm interested in this:

Projected best 22 2012:
F: Andrew Krakouer Chris Dawes Steele Sidebottom
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Alan Didak
CEN: Dale Thomas Scott Pendlebury Dayne Beams
HB: Nick Maxwell Ben Reid Harry O’Brien
B: Heath Shaw Chris Tarrant Alan Toovey
FOLL: Darren Jolly Luke Ball Dane Swan
BENCH: Sharrod Wellingham Lachlan Keeffe Paul Seedsman Josh Thomas
Well in the mix: Jye Bolton Nathan Brown Jarryd Blair Tyson Goldsack Brent Macaffer

I'm guessing Keeffe is our Leigh Brown replacement, Fasolo for Davis...Seedsman/Thomas for Blair/Johnson? I would have thought Macaffer/Goldsack, Blair stay in the team.
Do you see the young ones being better prospects than these two?

Macaffer only based on this season.
Chance for best 22 next year with good preseason but I do have him just outside of that 22.

Keeffe I view as the only real potential L.Brown replacement on our list for next year since Ceglar and Witts are both a long way off and Wood isn't suited to the roll at all. Keeffe still definitely needs to learn the role but should continue gaining muscle and is really the least bad of the alternatives. I'd entertain a trade for a potential L.Brown replacement if a suitable one comes up - Daw was one I identified to have the potential to fill that role but odds are he doesn't move. Z.Clarke is probably the more expensive option since he has had a really promising season, but again not certainty Fremantle let him go or that he wants to leave.

Fasolo as a forward I think can push past Blair. Not allot in it now, for this years finals series I'm pro Blair, but think long term he will be passed by.

As for J.Thomas + Seedsman. Have been really encouraged by their VFL form and think they both have the talent to break into our best 22 - going on the assumption that L.Davis + B.Johnson retire, if they stay on then they probably stay in the side.
Would be a much more midfield loaded team rather than defence loaded team as we have had over the past couple of years under Malthouse, but that's where I see the talent coming through most.

Will be really interesting to see how we line up under Buckley.

Would be very interested to see how your best 22 for 2012 varys from this.

As you did an update yesterday it should reflect Brown retiring and maybe move Wood up as a result.

Have made mention of this.

Don't rate Wood as a no.2 ruckman and think Keeffe deserves the nod over him - even though he is best as a key backman at this stage. Better talent. Deserves the AFL opportunity.

Interested to see your opinions, How many games would Danny Stanley have got this season if was still @ Collingwood?

Has developed into a very good player, topped our goal kicking chart ahead of Ablett/Lynch and should be top 5 at worst in our best and fairest.

Stanley wouldn't be a regular and would be a depth only player who might get a couple of games at best. But take nothing away from him, has had a great season for GC which is great to see of the ex Pie.

Just looking at your Possible Draft Picks and my thoughts are;

RD 1:
Markworth sounds very interesting prospect and does sounds like a Hine type with Great Character and Versatile

Do we really need another Small Backman with Luke Brown?

Manson is a High Risk High Reward pick at the moment

RD 2:

I like Lockyer as he a Tough Nut who does not take a Backwards Step. His Dad is the WA Recurter for Collingwood

Merriet sounds like an Intresting Prospect with his speed

You are big Fan of Ross and Raikiwasa

Markworth and Brown are the two I most want right now. Markworth I'd argue could very easily be a top 10 talent in this years draft, think he could become a regular from season one - big call, but with his versatility and talent is far superior to a Fasolo.
Brown also I think can play from season one, the talent is there. Likely to lose Leon Davis and possibly Ben Johnson, Definitely think a small defender is an important investment - feel we need another in that backline rotation.

Possible that Manson doesn't enter the draft from some information that i've been hearing today.

Ross is no certainty to be available for our 2nd round pick. Think he is a little under rated on bigfooty.

 

[blaze036]

am i the only person who thinks j.thomas and seedsmen arnt gonna be good afl players? Any player who plays reasonbly in our vfl side now seems to be set for a long career at collingwood :/

 

[JOELY]

why don't you think they'll make it?

 

[Scodog10]

am i the only person who thinks j.thomas and seedsmen arnt gonna be good afl players? Any player who plays reasonbly in our vfl side now seems to be set for a long career at collingwood :/

I wouldn't mind knowing your thought process behind this as well? Because from all reports they have shown AFL attributes while playing at a competitive level in the VFL. Fasolo was doing the exact same thing as these two before he earned the call up. Within 6 weeks he'd kicked 5 goals in a match and eventually received a rising star nom.