List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016 Part 3

[Apex36]

Not backtracking... just not being as emotional as some about discussing opinions on an internet forum...

For the last time, i said on his form this season... stop misquoting me. Be accurate when quoting me please... if you want an arguement and to get all emotional on a topic, then do us a favour and call telstra and take it out on them.

Shit canned... i mean come on. Calm down.

You have "taken issue" with my post... when you could have just disagreed with me. I can accept that.

But coming out with shit canned, continuing to quote half my sentence looks like you're trying to pick a fight.

Something i'm not interested in.

Peace.

And I've already said, based on his form this season he's statistically close to identical to Heeney. I haven't misquoted you at any point. Saying 'based on this season' doesn't suddenly make your call on his trade value any less bizarre. Tell me exactly where I've misquoted you, because as it is all I see is that you've chronically undervalued JDG, even if you're only basing his worth on this season, which by the way was statistically superior to his debut season in almost every category.

As I've already said, I have no issue if you feel letting JDG go for Rocky is worth it, there's legitimate reasoning behind that, but there's no legitimate justification for talking down JDG the way you did.

 

[PicaBoo]

Bingo

Not really. That is the salary cap issue taken care off. That is the easy part.
Frost for Rockliff, don't think the Lions are not going to do that.

 

[Smoky]

Fully agree...De Goey is averaging 16 possessions a game playing in starvation corner (HFF). His stats are basically parallel to Heeney's and it was reported earlier this week that when he comes out of contract next year he will command a salary of $900k, whereas there is talk of trading De Goey. I don't understand this...Have a look at the comparison.
Heeney - Career Average (38 games in two years)
K: 8.9: M: 4.7; CM: 0.9; HB: 6.2: CP: 6.5; DE%: 71.6%; Tk: 3.6; R50: 0.6; I50: 2.9; Clear: 1.1; Centre Cl: 0.2; St: 0.9; Goals: 1.1; GA: 0.6
De Goey - Career Average (36 games in two years)
K: 8.6: M: 3.1; CM: 0.3; HB: 7.7: CP: 6.8; DE%: 68%; Tk: 4.1; R50: 0.7; I50: 2.9; Clear: 2.5; Centre Cl: 0.7; St: 1.8; Goals: 0.6; GA: 0.6

900k...

Out of interest, if De Goey was to increase his stats and output by say 20% next year, what do you think his following years contract should be worth?

 

[Smoky]

but there's no legitimate justification for talking down JDG the way you did.

Ok. Well i said one thing... you took it as something else.

Nows when we say sorry to each other, shake hands and move on.

Its over.

 

[eddiebankbalance]

Glad you took my discomfort into account.

Oh yeah, just realised, sorry about that. But his username and avatar are a match, ofcourse he'll be crude.

 

[Daicos Daze]

Not really. That is the salary cap issue taken care off. That is the easy part.
Frost for Rockliff, don't think the Lions are not going to do that.

Throw in the Ox for probable cause of trade

 

[whiskeytown]

Roverjg makes a good point earlier about salary cap and potentially trading out a player to make room. I understand we are under salary cap and without cloke and swan so we save some money there... but big money deals to wells (600k), Mayne (rumored 350-500+) and potentially rockliff (surely 700k+) and others to come still might put more pressure on the cap than we want.

IMO I wouldn't trade out greenwood but another player on 400-450k is Goldsack. Now I like goldie but that's a lot of money to pay for someone whose body is so so, who's likely to play mostly vfl next year and who's probably in the last 1-2 years of his AFL life. I'm really not sure who would want him at his age and condition... but perhaps a cloke like deal where we give him away for peanuts but clear out his salary is the way to go?

 

[Copeland]

Reckon instead of chasing Rockliff we should go after a young gun.

There's a highly touted kid that plays for St Kilda that would be a good get, imo.

Could probably get him cheap, nearly even for free, man.

Rockliff has many more years in him, Pendles is 2 years older, we to grab the window that has Pendles playing at his best

 

[CFC2010]

And I thought Brendan Bolton was this incredible brilliant man manager, but some one that senior wanting out?
Surely not, that's only ever happened to Buckley.

Real point, shows happens to other clubs too, for all sorts of reasons

Leaving for family reason S V not the coach.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Some posts being taken to heart it seems.

Internet forum + opinions = don't get too emotional ladies & gentlemen

 

[eddiebankbalance]

There are go home factors in play. When it happens every year for 5 years then there is an issue !! Hint hint

They miss home??

::dunno::

 

[doodles98]

Roverjg makes a good point earlier about salary cap and potentially trading out a player to make room. I understand we are under salary cap and without cloke and swan so we save some money there... but big money deals to wells (600k), Mayne (rumored 350-500+) and potentially rockliff (surely 700k+) and others to come still might put more pressure on the cap than we want.

IMO I wouldn't trade out greenwood but another player on 400-450k is Goldsack. Now I like goldie but that's a lot of money to pay for someone whose body is so so, who's likely to play mostly vfl next year and who's probably in the last 1-2 years of his AFL life. I'm really not sure who would want him at his age and condition... but perhaps a cloke like deal where we give him away for peanuts but clear out his salary is the way to go?

Yeah Goldy is really just injury insurance these days and not a particularly good one at that. It's a shame we didn't shop him around a few years ago before we resigned him imo. He had value back then. 4th rounder now... but maybe we're better with offloading his salary and getting a rookie.

 

[Copeland]

Agree mate J.D.G has not lost his value at all. At his age , potential , say in a worse case scenario he asks for a trade? I would ask for a top 5 pick.

Sometimes you dont have a choice when they ask for a trade

 

[jadami1973]

If we could get a trade for Greenwood valued around the equivalent of pick 30 I would do it. If Rockliff came in, I think he would be the one squeezed out.
I like him and like his game but weighing up our list and what we might get in a trade, potential to improve etc he is the one for mine.
I guess if someone offered 30 for Smith it would be decent value as well, but don't see that happening (yet). Gold Coast have plenty of salary cap room and Greenwood is pretty much what they're looking for with their multitude of 2nd round picks. Witts, Greenwood and Frost out in a 3-way (Suns, Bears) trade for Rockliff I would go for, for sure.

That is such a sucking trade for us Rockliff is past his best I reckon and to trade 3 players ( only 2 of which I rate) for him when Greenwood's output wouldn't be that different seems crazy talk

 

[pablo disco bar]

No.

Rupertfan i think there both average but would prefer lennon that is all.....now bye

 

[doodles98]

Leaving for family reason S V not the coach.

probably also wants to play finals again before he retires

 

[jadami1973]

Sometimes you dont have a choice when they ask for a trade

If we have another young and upcoming player ask for a trade surely the jungle drums need to be beating in the distance at least. This surely can no longer be sustainable

 

[pablo disco bar]

No.

Thanks

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Leaving for family reason S V not the coach.

Ofcourse it is.
If it was Nathan, it would be the coach, just keeping the chant going....

Never others only us, yeh right.

 

[Quicky]

On Rockliff, in reality I don't see how we get the trade done. We would need to trade out someone unexpected, or get extreme unders for him.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

There are go home factors in play. When it happens every year for 5 years then there is an issue !! Hint hint

Ofcourse it is.
I'll believe what I want to believe.
And you can do the same.

Hint hint

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Some posts being taken to heart it seems.

Internet forum + opinions = don't get too emotional ladies & gentlemen

Lol

 

[Leviathan Pie]

On Rockliff, in reality I don't see how we get the trade done. We would need to trade out someone unexpected, or get extreme unders for him.

This.

I don't see how it actually gets through? Although things can change fairly quickly on that front. But on face value a deal seems very difficult to attain.

 

[Big Bryza]

That is such a sucking trade for us Rockliff is past his best I reckon and to trade 3 players ( only 2 of which I rate) for him when Greenwood's output wouldn't be that different seems crazy talk

Rocky is only 26. Plenty of good footy in him.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Lol

Can I help you?