Mega Thread Congratulations Matt Priddis

[Underdog]

It's time to take the umpires out of the equation. Have then coaches votes determin the brownlow

That would be awful IMO. They're too invested in their players and roles.

 

[Underdog]

It's clear that it took a perfect storm of good fortune for Priddis to win. That doesn't make him undeserving.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

although he has his deficiencies which i have clearly criticised over the year. he has done very well to win the brownlow.

congrats matt

 

[kane249]

It's time to take the umpires out of the equation. Have then coaches votes determin the brownlow

So replace independent viewers with no bias with the coaches who would have a preference towards their own players? Yeah nah

 

[PapaJ]

My change would be to allow the umpires to award five players a number of votes out of ten. So the best five would get somewhere around six-eight, and if they had a really good game, they'd get 10. This would mean that two Ablett 10s would be worth more than three Priddis sixes.

That is closer to a more complete system, but would be asking the umpires to do way too much. The only way you're going to continue to viably get the umpires input is to keep it really simple, the 321 system, though flawed, is quick and simple.

I've already ranted in this thread a bit, but in the end, the Brownlow is what it is. Despite the name, it's not 'the best player' award as such - though you have to be damn good to even get close of course. It's a simplistic and kind of quirky when you think about it award that, due to it's quirks, can give rise to some less than obvious winners, even able to reward a hard ball winning consistent if not flashy player like Pridis. We (me included), need to stop seeing it as the be all end all elite player award and just celebrate it for what it is.

I'm glad he's won this award really. Sure he's no Ablett, Fyfe, Pendlebury etc., but he's had a bloody consistent year and just goes about it without any fuss or on field BS. He just plays the game to his utmost ability and does it well. Good on him. Wish more had his attitude to it all.

 

[Modified Dog]

Wasnt surprised to see Lewis not even close, didnt get the hype of him being a chance. Yes had a great year but didnt think he was that good, same with Heppell.

Lewis was always going to rack up most of his votes very late in the count.

Hawthorn players rotate positions throughout the game and many of their players get 20 to 25 possessions. It was tall order for Lewis to poll enough votes in such an even team with good contributors everywhere around the ground, especially as he has never been a huge vote-getter in the past like a Sam Mitchell. Interesting that he missed a few potential votes through the year and only started to poll well from Round 19 when everyone in the media started to pump up his tyres.

Lewis was unlucky not to poll votes in four games:

Rd 01 - Haw d Bris, 22 disposals, 10 contested
Rd 02 - Haw d Ess, 13 disposals, 7 contested
Rd 03 - Haw d Freo, 37 disposals, 11 contested - should've received 1 or 2 votes
Rd 04 - Haw d GCS, 26 disposals, 7 contested
Rd 05 - Geel d Haw, 21 disposals, 11 contested
Rd 06 - Haw d Rich, 24 disposals, 2 contested
Rd 07 - Haw d St K, 27 disposals, 7 contested
Rd 08 - Syd d Haw,. 28 disposals, 18 contested
Rd 10 - Port d Haw, 38 disposals, 13 contested - 2 votes
Rd 12 - Haw d WCE, 30 disposals, 13 contested - should've received 1 or 2 votes
Rd 14 - Haw d Coll,. 27 disposals, 10 contested - should've received 1 or 2 votes
Rd 15 - Haw d GCS, 28 disposals, 12 contested - 1 vote
Rd 16 - NM d Haw,.. 23 disposals, 10 contested
Rd 17 - Haw d Adel, 25 disposals, 15 contested
Rd 18 - Haw d Syd,. 35 disposals, 15 contested - BOG, should've received 3 votes
Rd 19 - Haw d WB,.. 26 disposals, 15 contested - 1 vote
Rd 20 - Haw d Melb, 34 disposals, 14 contested - 3 votes
Rd 21 - Freo d Haw, 44 disposals, 11 contested - 2 votes
Rd 22 - Haw d Geel, 25 disposals,. 9 contested - 3 votes (lucky to get votes)
Rd 23 - Haw d Coll,. 34 disposals,. 9 contested - 3 votes


He finished on 15 votes and probably should've polled about 20 votes

 

[legend166]

Make the coaches vote on opposition players after each match.

That's probably your most impartial way of doing it.

 

[a_fighting_fury]

I don't think that's necessarily an outrage, but one way to improve it and better recognise the really elite performances would be to still have 3-2-1 voting, but give the umpires the discretion to award up to 5 votes for the BOG performance if it was really outstanding- So if someone has a stupidly good game, allow them 4 votes or 5 rather than 3. That would elevate the vote tallies of the likes of Ablett/Fyfe/Dangerfield whilst still rewarding consistency over a season.

Would you consider taking the voting away from the umpires all together?

 

[Modified Dog]

Every year is the same. We have a Brownlow count and everyone whinges about the voting system, or players being ineligible, or umpires "getting it wrong". People whinge about the winner. They whinge when their favourite player doesn't win and they whinge about the telecast.

I have a simple solution for these perennial whingers: Don't watch it!

If you think the Brownlow is shit, then don't pay any attention to it.

Stay away from the Brownlow threads

Just F*** OFF

 

[bodazoka]

SO will eagles supporters finally stop critisizing him?

Vocal minority unfortunately.

Good work Pridda fantastic achievement and a testament to hard work and determination.

 

[Mancey]

Make the coaches vote on opposition players after each match.

That's probably your most impartial way of doing it.

They do, its called the AFLCA award

 

[Ashton Agar]

Good on ya Pridda. Always rated him as a player, never quite rated him as Brownlow standard but he has done it so well done. A happy Brownlow.

 

[legend166]

They do, its called the AFLCA award

No, with that award the coaches vote for players from both their team and the opposition team.

 

[clogged]

That would be awful IMO. They're too invested in their players and roles.

Priddis still polled highly in coaches votes.

Let's be honest. If Robbie Gray was revealed as the 'winner' of a Brownlow equivalent, without the constant transparency of monitoring those votes, there'd be just as much bewildered outrage at his winning of the medal.

 

[Belnakor]

Inb4 we get the AA selectors voting on the brownlow. The same favourites would poll each game.

If the AA selectors voted, Hippell would have ended up with 35 votes because the commentators "love the way he goes about it"

 

[Modified Dog]

Make the coaches vote on opposition players after each match.

That's probably your most impartial way of doing it.

The coaches already have an award and give their votes. It's called the AFLCA Champion Player of the Year Award.

Robbie Gray won it.

Some of the coaches votes can be as iffy as the media or umpire's votes. They also play favourites and have their own quirks too. They might think their young defender did a great job of holding Buddy to just 5 goals (3 of which weren't his fault) whereas everyone else is giving Buddy the BOG.

The Brownlow Medal has always been voted on by the umpires in charge of each match. Why change a 90 year tradition?

I don't understand the fuss anyway. The umpire's votes are pretty good. Surprisingly accurate. I think they possibly get a bit of assistance from their advisors watching on from the grandstand.

The real reason why the Brownlow produces left-field winners is the scoring system - the same 3-2-1 votes are given for every game, no matter how big the game or how well everyone played. Jordan Lewis can be the BOG with 35 disposals in the match of the season (Rd 18 Haw v Syd) and receive no votes. There were a number of great performances that night from the AFL's two best teams. Rightly or wrongly, Lewis missed out on votes. The exact same number of votes are given for a shit game between 2 shit teams. 3-2-1 votes are given even though nobody played particularly well over the 4 quarters.

It's just the way it is.

Also some teams are reliant on one dominant midfielder and they don't have many teammates sharing the votes (Priddis, Ablett, Selwood… Jobe Watson in 2012, Chris Judd in 2010, Shane Crawford in 1999, Robert Harvey 1997-98.) Nobody seems to have a problem with this when it's a superstar who wins the medal, but when it's someone like Priddis, everyone questions the system and the voting.

It's just the way it is.

 

[The_Eagles]

maybe I was the odd one out last night but I really wanted fyfe to get the most votes just too see the AFL red faced again. In one of the worst years in AFL history due to the Essendon saga, boring football games, seagull footballers, players with NO personality's, channel 7 football coverage, BRIAN TAYLOR, defensive game plans (thank god for port power), brownlow medalist that cant get in the all-australian team, the games greatest player goes down with a shoulder injury (which cost him the brownlow, MVP, AA captian and the suns BnF) and much much more..... It would of been fitting to see Fyfe get the most votes after this year.... hopefully sydney and hawthorn can salvage something out of this season on Saturday

Yeah he probably did poll the most and they made a secretive executive decision to read out 2 votes to Matt for the last game

 

[skipper kelly]

Great winner.

I love how the Brownlow can throw up winners like Priddis.

 

[skipper kelly]

The coaches already have an award and give their votes. It's called the AFLCA Champion Player of the Year Award.

Robbie Gray won it.

Some of the coaches votes can be as iffy as the media or umpire's votes. They also play favourites and have their own quirks too. They might think their young defender did a great job of holding Buddy to just 5 goals (3 of which weren't his fault) whereas everyone else is giving Buddy the BOG.

The Brownlow Medal has always been voted on by the umpires in charge of each match. Why change a 90 year tradition?

I don't understand the fuss anyway. The umpire's votes are pretty good. Surprisingly accurate. I think they possibly get a bit of assistance from their advisors watching on from the grandstand.

The real reason why the Brownlow produces left-field winners is the scoring system - the same 3-2-1 votes are given for every game, no matter how big the game or how well everyone played. Jordan Lewis can be the BOG with 35 disposals in the match of the season (Rd 18 Haw v Syd) and receive no votes. There were a number of great performances that night from the AFL's two best teams. Rightly or wrongly, Lewis missed out on votes. The exact same number of votes are given for a shit game between 2 shit teams. 3-2-1 votes are given even though nobody played particularly well over the 4 quarters.

It's just the way it is.

Also some teams are reliant on one dominant midfielder and they don't have many teammates sharing the votes (Priddis, Ablett, Selwood… Jobe Watson in 2012, Chris Judd in 2010, Shane Crawford in 1999, Robert Harvey 1997-98.) Nobody seems to have a problem with this when it's a superstar who wins the medal, but when it's someone like Priddis, everyone questions the system and the voting.

It's just the way it is.

Good post there champ. Well done.

The brownlow is what it is and that's that.

 

[writeoff]

Congratulations Priddis.
I'm happy that he won it and think he is a very under-rated footballer.
His second half of 2013 was exceptional as well.
Was surprised at the amount of votes that Dangerfield and Boak received.
Was equally surprised at how few votes Robbie Gray and Luke Parker were given. Both were outstanding this year.

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Sounds like a good bloke

Better then that idiot Dangerfield carrying on like a douche

So true I am fast beginning to think danger is far too up himself. (its getting telling when Dane Swan appears more humble)

Talking openly about his currency on his list. Talking on behalf of the club while clearly being a hand in Sando's exit. Making a big fuss of Sloane having a good game, calling a team mate busting his ass for the team a "prick of a thing". ...lol

Maybe play well each game, danger?? Idiot. So glad he didn't win. Thats all I wanted once Garry couldn't - danger not to even joint win it. Seriously the true embarassment could of been drunk Dangerfield "accepting" the honor of brownlow. Could have been Fev-like.

 

[shaqsuns]

leave dangerfield alone at least he has a personally unlike 99% of the other robot footballers with generic answers to all media questions

 

[Scotland]

So what you're saying is that Priddis is going to leave the club?

Well he's already taken Charlie home tonight, so it's all downhill from here.

 

[Whiskers]

Make the coaches vote on opposition players after each match.

it.

That's ridiculous, you can't make someone vote for an opposition player lol.
If that is how it worked, A spud could play in a football team with only worse spuds and win the award every year coz the coach was forced to vote for them.
Crazy idea.

 

[Ashton Agar]

leave dangerfield alone at least he has a personally unlike 99% of the other robot footballers with generic answers to all media questions

Yeah agreed, Dangerfield was clearly having a bit of a joke and a laugh about it. Plus he had been drinking like everyone else. What's the big deal?