List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

[Keys]

Quick links

• Player contract status
• Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

  3star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

  2star

  M

  1.7

  2star

  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

  4star

  D

  7.8

  2star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  3.2

  3star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  1.6

  4star

  G

  0.6

  3star

  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Great summary Keys and clearly much work went into this.

 

[Elite Pete]

They can they just can’t be considered delisted free agents.

That’s what I thought but I remember with the English discussion last year this was a sticking point. From the afl website it doesn’t mention PSD either just National draft. It might be outdated

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I really would be all over trying to get Alex Davies from the Suns.

Summary - My Uneducated Wishlist

Hopefully, the AFL grants us two additional rookie list spots and two additional Cat B spots along with the ability to prelist our NGA players. I’d love the R2 and R3 priority picks but can’t see that happening.

That would give us an overall playing list of 48 (38 main, 6 rookie and 4 Cat B)

Trades

• One of Erasmus, Tunstill, Robertson or similar as midfield support - preferably Erasmus for the Hawthorn R2 pick. Tunstill or Robertson we could get for a token pick or wait for them to become available as a DFA
• One of McVee or Starcevich as a half back that might be able to move into the midfield. Feel like Starcevich is the more likely of the two and he’d be gettable using the Hawthorn R3 pick
• I’m not confident we’ll be able to shake a ruckman or KPD loose

As a final note on trades, I don’t think we should be pushing a player to the PSD but we should absolutely use the threat as a negotiating tool. Whilst I understood why we did, there’s no need to play nice like we did with Baker - the players are out of contract and we have pick 1 in the PSD

Draft

Whilst I see the attraction of the pick swaps, I think we’d be better holding our picks as they stand unless someone offers us something too good to refuse - we shouldn’t be initiating any trade though

• Picks 1 and 2 - Sharp seems ideally suited to our need for an inside ball winner and whilst he likely has a lower ceiling than others he also less likely to be a bust. Pairing him up with Duursma would be be a good low risk/ high risk combination but Lindsay or Cumming I’d be happy with and possibly prefer
• Picks 14 and 21 - probably just looking at best available here although we’d should be considering a KPP with one of them. Farrow if he’s there at 14 holds appeal if we don’t take Lindsay whilst Rodriguez at 21 would be value. There’ll be options with those picks either way
• Pick 75 - add Charlie Banfield as a father/son selection

NGA (Category B)

• Prelist Koby Evans and Tylah Williams
• Wes Walley becomes an either/or decision based on available list spots

Overall by way of example only

Trades In (2)
Erasmus
Starcevich

Draft (5)
Sharp
Duursma
Farrow
Rodriguez
Banfield

Prelist (2)
Evans (Cat B)
Williams (Cat B)

With the list changes I went through above this would leave us with 48 on the list - 39 main, 5 rookie and 4 Cat B meaning we’d have to move one player from the main list onto the rookie list - probably Bazzo or Chesser

Other considerations
• If we decide Wes Walley has draftable traits we could delist one of Barnett or Livingstone to make room
• If Mitch Duncan comes across but wishes to have the option of playing AFL still then someone else has to go - either the other of Barnett/Livingstone or we pass on Walley
• We combine 14 and 21 for the port pick from Gold Coast and take Schubert instead of two players which requires one less list spot
• Any trades out (like Ryan) make another spot available

Anyway, my thoughts for what they’re and they aren’t perfect but hopefully can provide some discussion

Apologies for the wall of text

Great stuff mate

 

[Spooky17]

Great summary Keys, much appreciated

 

[RanaNaved]

Gettable update.

Shanahan 2 year extension getting close.

Clubs still waiting for the Harley before they start looking at what to do in the trade period.

Jack Steele will stay at the Saints unless they tell him they want to move him on.

Duursma starting to create a gap at pick 1.

Starcevich is still possibly but will have to work around how the get it done without effecting pick 2.



Richmond VFL might have another mature age recruit. Putting up good numbers.

Kudos to the Gettable guys for finding new ways to say the same things for 22 weeks straight

 

[Elite Pete]

Kudos to the Gettable guys for finding new ways to say the same things for 22 weeks straight

No Cal doesn’t help.

Jobe update made the short episode worth a listen.

 

[Mop]

Think we should pick up Flynn Riley (ruck) out of Carlton VFL,

Is one Flynn not enough for you?

 

[Patron]

Are we going to get any end of first round picks from our assistant package? (Similar to what North Melbourne obtained in 2023)

Given north got 5 picks in total by this stage we really should, but I suspect we won't because we are a "successful club".

 

[txbyhull]

Is one Flynn not enough for you?

Get me all the Flynns /s

Riley looks pretty good on the surface level in the vfl. Ginbey's draft year I think so born '04. Quite a bit taller than a lot of ruck prospects you see coming in, and lets us delist a Barnett early, Livingstone, BBW etc.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Amazing write up Keys thanks. I don't understand why you think it's unlikely we'll receive draft picks as part of the assistance package, same as North. Like you said, putting the premiership aside we have been worse than North and they received assistance a year earlier than us.

Liam Reidy dominated us in our recent WAFL match, would love to grab him and Erasmus if we can.

Looking forward to the off season, heading down to MRP to watch the lads training the house down, feeling all that hope and making overly optimistic claims about our ladder finish next year.

 

[Elite Pete]

 

[Doashuey]

Its Crippa isnt it?

 

[southcoast]

Is one Flynn not enough for you?

First name Flynns are always better than surname Flynns.

It's been proven and Tim Watson confirms this to be true.

 

[Mop]

Get me all the Flynns /s

What you could say..

is.


you're in.. like Flynn

 

[ThePuma #9]

Great write up Keys but one thing to keep in mind as well is the possibility to acquire a free agent without dilution of our compensation for Allen. Something to which Greg Swann has mentioned in the media recently.

Whilst Andrew Dillon has recently ruled out any changes to the father and son rule nothing has been mentioned in regards to free agency compo and specifically Greg Swann's comments below.

If this eventuates we could sign Starcevich, Crouch or someone similar without any capitol being required and with no additional compromises to the draft other than free agency compo that club is provided and it will certainly benefit us greatly at little cost to the other 17 clubs.

AFL football chief flags rule change as adaptations to free agency compensation in sight

"That’s something we’re going to look at."

www.zerohanger.com

 

[SainterinSydney]

Sorry to intrude, Steele would likely leave if the club was happy with the return on a trade. Steele was looking at potentially leaving last year. RTB hinted at that re his comments on contracted players on Footy Classified last night. If Steele was willing to go to the Eagles, and you guys offered a decent trade, I think he leaves.

 

[kane249]

Sorry to intrude, Steele would likely leave if the club was happy with the return on a trade. Steele was looking at potentially leaving last year. RTB hinted at that re his comments on contracted players on Footy Classified last night. If Steele was willing to go to the Eagles, and you guys offered a decent trade, I think he leaves.

What would the Saints consider a decent trade for him?

I think he would be a great addition to the midfield, at the right price though

 

[beagles]

Summary - My Uneducated Wishlist

Hopefully, the AFL grants us two additional rookie list spots and two additional Cat B spots along with the ability to prelist our NGA players. I’d love the R2 and R3 priority picks but can’t see that happening.

That would give us an overall playing list of 48 (38 main, 6 rookie and 4 Cat B)

Trades

• One of Erasmus, Tunstill, Robertson or similar as midfield support - preferably Erasmus for the Hawthorn R2 pick. Tunstill or Robertson we could get for a token pick or wait for them to become available as a DFA
• One of McVee or Starcevich as a half back that might be able to move into the midfield. Feel like Starcevich is the more likely of the two and he’d be gettable using the Hawthorn R3 pick
• I’m not confident we’ll be able to shake a ruckman or KPD loose

As a final note on trades, I don’t think we should be pushing a player to the PSD but we should absolutely use the threat as a negotiating tool. Whilst I understood why we did, there’s no need to play nice like we did with Baker - the players are out of contract and we have pick 1 in the PSD

Draft

Whilst I see the attraction of the pick swaps, I think we’d be better holding our picks as they stand unless someone offers us something too good to refuse - we shouldn’t be initiating any trade though

• Picks 1 and 2 - Sharp seems ideally suited to our need for an inside ball winner and whilst he likely has a lower ceiling than others he also less likely to be a bust. Pairing him up with Duursma would be be a good low risk/ high risk combination but Lindsay or Cumming I’d be happy with and possibly prefer
• Picks 14 and 21 - probably just looking at best available here although we’d should be considering a KPP with one of them. Farrow if he’s there at 14 holds appeal if we don’t take Lindsay whilst Rodriguez at 21 would be value. There’ll be options with those picks either way
• Pick 75 - add Charlie Banfield as a father/son selection

NGA (Category B)

• Prelist Koby Evans and Tylah Williams
• Wes Walley becomes an either/or decision based on available list spots

Overall by way of example only

Trades In (2)
Erasmus
Starcevich

Draft (5)
Sharp
Duursma
Farrow
Rodriguez
Banfield

Prelist (2)
Evans (Cat B)
Williams (Cat B)

With the list changes I went through above this would leave us with 48 on the list - 39 main, 5 rookie and 4 Cat B meaning we’d have to move one player from the main list onto the rookie list - probably Bazzo or Chesser

Other considerations
• If we decide Wes Walley has draftable traits we could delist one of Barnett or Livingstone to make room
• If Mitch Duncan comes across but wishes to have the option of playing AFL still then someone else has to go - either the other of Barnett/Livingstone or we pass on Walley
• We combine 14 and 21 for the port pick from Gold Coast and take Schubert instead of two players which requires one less list spot
• Any trades out (like Ryan) make another spot available

Anyway, my thoughts for what they’re and they aren’t perfect but hopefully can provide some discussion

Apologies for the wall of text

Great summary Keys. We all are indebted to your efforts running this forum. It's really appreciated

I suspect that if we delist Barnett it will be an indication of our interest in CDT.

 

[SainterinSydney]

What would the Saints consider a decent trade for him though?

It depends. I've heard we are interested in Flyin Ryan, so he could be part of a deal. It is difficult as he is our captain but is way down on his input from previous years. Probably an early second rounder? A first rounder we would jump at, but he is likely not worth that at the moment.

 

[SainterinSydney]

The inside word is we were talking to Reid and there is legs to the offer made. I just can't see him coming to us, though.

 

[southcoast]

A very comprehensive series of thoughts backed up by good arguments Keys.

As it will be all downhill from here - might as well lock the thread.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Apologies for the wall of text

Whoa there, Sharpey

 

[beagles]

The inside word is we were talking to Reid and there is legs to the offer made. I just can't see him coming to us, though.

Hopefully we will all know soon. Only two weeks left for us!

 

[Boohemian]

The inside word is we were talking to Reid and there is legs to the offer made. I just can't see him coming to us, though.

I'd be concerned about the list management of your club tbh. TDK, NWM and Reid all on huge contracts. Doesn't strike me as responsible.