List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[chaddy22]

It's all about whose fault it is? What an odd way to look at things.

Perhaps club is looking to correct things. Not looking to issue long contracts, not looking to be easily rolled over. all those things we asked club to do.

Lets not kid ourselves, we have worst captains in AFL. they put out, at best, mid tier performances. When Harley Reid had issues, the captains didn't come out. Liam f*cking Baker did. shows you who the true captain is. Baker was nearly in tears after the GC game. where were our so-called captains?

World will not stop if both Oscar and Harley leave. everyone is replaceable.

Was interesting listening to Brad Hardie today.
Said Allen should be removed from being a captain.
Didn't like co-captains and either Duggan or Baker should be captain.
No to Allen playing back as he doesn't have a defensive bone in his body.

 

[Elite Pete]

Allen leaving will galvanise the club.

Captain that didn’t want to be here to do the hard stuff etc. boys will buy in

Maybe or be turn into a turnstile. Many clubs have struggled to stop the flow of good players exiting.

On the deal alone it’s a no brainer, top 3 pick for him. With depth ready to go and grow with hopefully a young midfield but a lot more plays into it than that.

 

[Elite Pete]

You have to allow players to talk to other clubs, captain or not. I have no issue if he wants to leave. I don't think that is a slight on him as a person. We also have to play him. As much as I would rather get games into Archer and Shanahan, we won't know for sure if he is leaving, and that is a good thing. We can't get mad and emotional because people are doing what is best for themselves.

Agree with this, main issue imo is d the timing.

If reports are true and we ‘low balled’ him early and left the door open. Can’t get upset when he is talking to other clubs who are offering more years and more money.

Is the right time to met with these clubs at Rd3 after a Derby where you don’t touch it? 100% no, wait until the bye now.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Maybe or be turn into a turnstile. Many clubs have struggled to stop the flow of good players exiting.

On the deal alone it’s a no brainer, top 3 pick for him. With depth ready to go and grow with hopefully a young midfield but a lot more plays into it than that.

Who else might leave because Oscar leaves? Particularly if Oscar leaving gives more opportunity to our young talls?

My big worry was Oscar not leaving and losing one of Shanahan or Reid in a couple of years.

If Oscar leaves, Kelly might leave (who cares) or maybe waterman (contracted).

I don't think it moves the needle on Harley.

THIS BOARD NEEDS TO STOP LIVING IN 2009.

Player movement isn't scary, it provides liquidity and assets to build your list.

 

[Elite Pete]

Who else might leave because Oscar leaves? Particularly if Oscar leaving gives more opportunity to our young talls?

My big worry was Oscar leaving and losing one of Shanahan or Reid in a couple of years.

If Oscar leaves, Kelly might leave (who cares) or maybe waterman (contracted).

I don't think it moves the needle on Harley.

THIS BOARD NEEDS TO STOP LIVING IN 2009.

Player movement isn't scary, it provides liquidity and assets to build your list.

What 2019? Im all for player movement. But in this case the asset is a person and has there own thoughts and can chose when and where they play.

It’s the unknown. Is Oscar a chance of leaving because TB left? Who knows. Players talk and it can easily become the norm when a team is trying to find their feet again.

Isolation those deals are ones we have to do but there could be ramifications from those.

We always talk about we don’t lose many we want to keep, it’s true but at times a lot of clubs have gone through the other way.

 

[garlic munchers]

TBF

The 2 home games you mentioned, 1 was the derby so that's hardly an advantage.

In fact we have only 2 home games in our first 5, and one of those was for Freo.

We are in a world of hurt ATM and only blind freddy couldn't see it.

Loving signs from Dewar, Archer Reid, Hough, Ginbey, Williams, Maric, Hall and Hutchinson, with a back on track Hewett and a Bo Allen to come (and maybe Gross).

Great little core of what could be B and B+ players...... but without any currently projecting as future A grade mids and lets not kid ourselves, plenty of sides have an equivalent or better cores of young players.

Hell, if we had Freo's O'Driscoll in this group we would be lathering each other up, which should tell us something.

We are almost certain to be worse off in wins this years after trading in Baker, Owies and Graham and there's a few poundings coming on the horizon.

Couple this with the negativity generated by the want ways Reid and Allen, and it is going to rapidly turn into an even bigger shiteshow.

We've said it before, but this coming trade/draft period is absolutely going to make (future contender) or break this club (we become the rooeagles) and it starts with Allen going for an early compo pick and being well compensated for Reid.

Nail the MSD, plunder the draft (tip for recruiters, don't f###ng pick anyone that can't kick for the love of god) and build a true contender.

Think I'm overly negative... nup, it's just accepting reality and I guarantee that it makes watching footy more enjoyable than engaging in false hope and pumping up a flat tyre(s).

Some on this board had us finishing 9-12 with bringing in Baker........ LOL.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Who else might leave because Oscar leaves? Particularly if Oscar leaving gives more opportunity to our young talls?

My big worry was Oscar leaving and losing one of Shanahan or Reid in a couple of years.

If Oscar leaves, Kelly might leave (who cares) or maybe waterman (contracted).

I don't think it moves the needle on Harley.

THIS BOARD NEEDS TO STOP LIVING IN 2009.

Player movement isn't scary, it provides liquidity and assets to build your list.

Waterman's not leaving, he literally just re-signed a long term deal last year and then got his contract re-worked because of his All-Australian season. Besides Oscar and Harley there's hasn't seemed to be grumblings from any other player.

On field performance wise we're in our Brisbane 'go home five' or whatever it was era, but I think the club's strong enough to retain almost everyone. Harley and Oscar I've pretty much already waved off.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Waterman's not leaving, he literally just re-signed a long term deal last year and then got his contract re-worked because of his All-Australian season. Besides Oscar and Harley there's hasn't seemed to be grumblings from any other player.

On field performance wise we're in our Brisbane 'go home five' or whatever it was era, but I think the club's strong enough to retain almost everyone. Harley and Oscar I've pretty much already waved off.

Exactly. So the idea that Oscar leaving creates a run on of players leaving is fanciful.

 

[ziad]

It's all about whose fault it is? What an odd way to look at things.

Perhaps club is looking to correct things. Not looking to issue long contracts, not looking to be easily rolled over. all those things we asked club to do.

Lets not kid ourselves, we have worst captains in AFL. they put out, at best, mid tier performances. When Harley Reid had issues, the captains didn't come out. Liam f*cking Baker did. shows you who the true captain is. Baker was nearly in tears after the GC game. where were our so-called captains?

World will not stop if both Oscar and Harley leave. everyone is replaceable.

100% correct on Baker

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

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Nothing about length in here. Just contract and age of player.

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1. It says it in A. That's what a contract mainly is, amount and length.
2. The AFL don't actually let people know what their formula is because it will get exploited.

Let's say in one season, 2 players transfer. One is 32 and a former top 10 player in the league. Another player is a 26 year old flanker who has played 80 games over 7 seasons. He sometimes plays sub and is a fringe player.

What sort of contract are these guys going to get? Probably 2-3 years, but for different reasons. One guy is past his best and can only give a few year's service. The other guy might not even make the team.

Age is important to the club giving them the contract. It will play a part in the amount and the length. Ability if also important. It too, will play a a part.

So:
Age, ability, personality (team play, dig'eadness, off-field), will all play a part in the contract offered. But only the amount and length should be relevant to the AFL.

Why is anything else important?

a. So they AFL can hide their formula
b. So they AFL can make subjective rulings and hide behind their "criteria".

So yeah, you're right, it does say it, but it's not genuine. I don't believe they have a formula. I think they just have a discussion and come to an agreement. The Mackay decision was a farce.

 

[ziad]

This is the moment we need.

It's very much a line in the sand moment. Losing a captain will hurt, but we can use that as motivation, and develop a hard edge.

Good times, lead to weak men, which lead to hard times.

This is a circuit breaker for us.

Sad to watch but Oscar has been very disappointing of late.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Poor Oscar, if any one of us were in his shoes, we would be doing the same.

There is nothing wrong with him meeting a potential employer and doing what is best for him. The same goes for the club, nothing wrong offering Oscar a contract that makes sense for us as a club be tenure or $.

We should be doing the same ****ing thing and trying to lure A Grade talent for free without any draft capital. It would be negligence on our part not to throw $ around.

Hawks would need four R1, and two R2 picks to lure Oscar and Harley in a combination deal.

 

[bzparkes]

1. It says it in A. That's what a contract mainly is, amount and length.
2. The AFL don't actually let people know what their formula is because it will get exploited.

Let's say in one season, 2 players transfer. One is 32 and a former top 10 player in the league. Another player is a 26 year old flanker who has played 80 games over 7 seasons. He sometimes plays sub and is a fringe player.

What sort of contract are these guys going to get? Probably 2-3 years, but for different reasons. One guy is past his best and can only give a few year's service. The other guy might not even make the team.

Age is important to the club giving them the contract. It will play a part in the amount and the length. Ability if also important. It too, will play a a part.

So:
Age, ability, personality (team play, dig'eadness, off-field), will all play a part in the contract offered. But only the amount and length should be relevant to the AFL.

Why is anything else important?

a. So they AFL can hide their formula
b. So they AFL can make subjective rulings and hide behind their "criteria".

So yeah, you're right, it does say it, but it's not genuine. I don't believe they have a formula. I think they just have a discussion and come to an agreement. The Mackay decision was a farce.

Age is a massive factor once they hit 30. It's talked about in regards to every free agent move.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Agree with this, main issue imo is d the timing.

If reports are true and we ‘low balled’ him early and left the door open. Can’t get upset when he is talking to other clubs who are offering more years and more money.

Is the right time to met with these clubs at Rd3 after a Derby where you don’t touch it? 100% no, wait until the bye now.

I'm not even sure what the rules are? I thought you weren't allowed, but people were clearly doing it anyway (and always have)?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Age is a massive factor once they hit 30. It's talked about in regards to every free agent move.

My point is that it's a huge determiner of the contract (years and amount) and therefore an unnecessary factor in determining FA compo. As in, that already been considered and determined in the contract. So just go off the contract.

 

[bzparkes]

My point is that it's a huge determiner of the contract (years and amount) and therefore an unnecessary factor in determining FA compo. As in, that already been considered and determined in the contract. So just go off the contract.

I've provided you the AFL's own statement, which says age is a factor.

Every trade 'expert' in the media references it when discussing compo.

You can refuse to believe it all you want but it's right there, in plain writing.

Money and age are the 2 main factors, not the length.

 

[Chris_6678]

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Sam Mitchell did come to Perth, and did meet with Oscar Allen for a coffee. Allen and
@WestCoastEagles
are yet to agree on a new deal for 2026 and beyond - with offers on table from other clubs - including Hawthorn - significantly stronger. Like WC playing golf with Chad Warner, these types of meetings are fairly common in footy these days. Helps players make informed decisions on their future. Optics difficult to digest for supporters at times - but it’s how the AFL business works in 2025.

 

[Chris_6678]

I am fine with Oscar leaving as he will def net us a first round pick + extra money to sway Harley and Warner.

 

[archiemoses]

Not saying the Harley thing is true ( I honestly think it’s media bs) but we definitely would have the capital as the afl is allowing clubs to trade 3 years into the future. On top of that if we signed Allen I wouldn’t be shocked to see Mitch Lewis on the trade table which would generate another late 1st allowing us to trade potentially 4 first rounders.

Your future firsts will be worthless

 

[Boohemian]

Oscar staying hinders the rebuild tbh. If his departure triggers a band 1 compensation pick, the compensation is definitely worth more than he is.

Probably shouldn't be the co-captain though if he's exploring other avenues and having conversations with other parties. You need 100% buy in from a leader.

 

[Wce17]

If losing Allen gets us Warner & then we still have a top 5 pick to use this year I’m happy if he leaves.

If warner did come over I think that could have a say on Reid staying or leaving.

Keeping Allen almost seems like a waste when you think about what we could get if he leaves. If we don’t have a midfield Allen is almost pointless & wasted anyway.

 

[Bacchus]

Not saying the Harley thing is true ( I honestly think it’s media bs) but we definitely would have the capital as the afl is allowing clubs to trade 3 years into the future. On top of that if we signed Allen I wouldn’t be shocked to see Mitch Lewis on the trade table which would generate another late 1st allowing us to trade potentially 4 first rounders.

I think there would be much better offers than the slim pickings you are offering.

I doubt our club would be placing much weight on the player’s wishes in this case.

 

[Chris_6678]

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

To me this is a bit of a cultural issue right now. If he is known by the club to have met with Hawthorn then he should be stripped of the captaincy and receive a 2 week club imposed suspension. He has plenty of time to do this stuff in the off season....

Time to stop being weak pushovers

 

[Wce17]

Let’s be honest we aren’t going to get much better until we fix the midfield.

You can have good forwards & backs but if we are getting smashed in the middle they are all going to look average.