List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Mattman93]

When you add to it 3 years of playing Kelly, a natural wingman, in the engine room, throwing Duggan into the centre, you'd be excused for thinking West Coast sees 'onball' as a sort of afterthought role that anyone can play rather than the most important, most difficult position on the ground.

Bingo. It's not hubris so much as a total inability to identify natural midfield IQ and the requisite traits to be a good stoppage player.

We draft on athletic attributes and versatility and assume contested work can just be taught.

Meanwhile virtually all of our would-be midfielders are awful by hand, have no intuitive stoppage sense or ability to get first to a ground ball, the latter of which is just about the most important stat in the game.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

That’s his 2nd session. First session will be on “Why are you so obsessed with undersized failed ruckman for. You collect them like Pokémon cards”

'Alright let's do some free word association, I'll start...Witherden'
'..Good pickup'
'Petrevski-Seton'
'..Good pickup'
'Jayden Hunt'
'I would say he's been a really good pickup'
'Langdon'
'Karl or Zac?'
'Zac'
'Good pickup'
'Brockman'
'Handy pickup'
'Flynn'
'good pickup'
'Graham'
'Really good pickup so far'
'Owies'
'Handy pickup'
'So you believe all those people were good pickups?'
'Correct'
'In spite of the fact that no other team in the AFL wanted them?'
'Correct'
'And many have since been delisted?'
'That's right'
'Can you explain why you think recruiting these players will eventually make your team better than the 17 teams that didn't want them?'
'..I'm sorry we will have to finish this next session I'm late for my coffee with Deven Robinson'

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Whilst i don't disagree with Bakers worth (don't rate him as he can't hit a target) it still has to be weighed up as both Bo Allan & Tom Gross.

We wouldn't have Gross if we hadn't moved back a spot on draft night and that only happened due to having pick 12 (15).

Whoever had pick 40 odd was 100% taking Gross and he wasnt going to be available in our next pick which was Hamish Davis.... or we wouldnt have figured out Gross was there and then did a deal to get that pick during the day?

This is simply trying to turn chicken shit into a chicken sandwich with a massive bit of gymnastics to get there

 

[ThePuma #9]

A lot of ifs and buts. Could’ve still traded back in for that pick as the Power weren’t going to use it as they had some players training on or could’ve used our next pick on Gross and traded back into get Grego.

Brissy had to trade all their picks around then to match a bid

Actually there was only one "IF" but who's counting.

Just to be clear i still don't like the trade and i was one of the most vocal against it at the time. I thought the top up at the expense of high end draft capitol was a very bad decision and if you're asking me if i'd prefer Langford, Smith, Draper etc etc over Allan then the answer is a resounding yes.

All i'm stating above is the calculation has now changed and it's not Baker + Allan but rather Allan, Gross + Baker versus pick 3.

That's not a hypothetical, just fact.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

if my aunty had a c**k she'd be my uncle.
no point living in the whatif.

Not living in the Whatif is kinda of why we make the same mistakes over and over and over again

I mean we went from Zac Langdon to Matt Owies ffs

 

[Elite Pete]

if my aunty had a c**k she'd be my uncle.
no point living in the whatif.

That’s how you judge a recruiting team and list manager though?

But you have to give them 5 years minimum to see if they have selected the right players in the draft. Bo could become a Fyfe ect

But beside Grego we pretty much auto drafted our draft. From top of the list of most rankings. The Grego pick looks bloody good early days though.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

That’s how you judge a recruiting team and list manager though?

But you have to give them 5 years minimum to see if they have selected the right players in the draft. Bo could become a Fyfe ect

"We need to talk about your performance. In the last 7 projects you have been in all 7 have failed catastrophically. What do you have to say for yourself"

"no point living in the whatif"

 

[ThePuma #9]

Whoever had pick 40 odd was 100% taking Gross and he wasnt going to be available in our next pick which was Hamish Davis.... or we wouldnt have figured out Gross was there and then did a deal to get that pick during the day?

This is simply trying to turn chicken shit into a chicken sandwich with a massive bit of gymnastics to get there

I'm not turning anything into anything.

I'm stating a fact.

We had pick 12 (15) because we traded pick 3.

We traded pick 12 (15) with Port for 13 (16) and pick 45 (46) on draft night.

We drafted Tom Gross with pick 46 on draft night.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'm not turning anything into anything.

I'm stating a fact.

We had pick 12 (15) because we traded pick 3.

We traded pick 12 (15) with Port for 13 (16) and pick 45 (46) on draft night.

We drafted Tom Gross with pick 46 on draft night.

You just transitioned from 1 action to 3 others and said the first action created the 3rd result too.

Lifes not that simple. If we wanted pick 46 on draft night I think we could have got it without LIam Bakers 5 mill contract...

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I was totally against the Baker trade when it was done. And i still think we didn't haggle enough and paid too much. I think Richmond would have accepted a pick in the 20 - 25 range. That said i am glad they have Baker because he is the only bloke on the list providing any sort of leadership. You would think for the amount of money they were on you would be seeing some leadership from Kelly, Allen, Duggan and McGovern. But there is none. I think we did actually need Baker and Graham.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Smith, Draper, Langford. These guys are probably going to be A grade. Long term, the chances they will give us more than Baker, it pretty high.

He looks good, but do you think he's going to be a Bont, Dusty type? It's highly unlikely. He could be a really solid midfielder as part of a team with some absolutely elite players.

It's laughable the amount of people who get emotionally attached to their own team's players and are unable to look at things objectively.

You are not to be taken seriously.

You reckon Gross might be a really solid midfielder as part of a team with some elite players, and Draper, Langford and Smith are all going to be A grade, but Gross has out performed them all so far.

And the fact is that Gross is doing it at a club with zero support around him at a basket case makes it even more impressive.

Granted, we are 5 games in to their careers and it's far too early to be making any definitive statements as to how their careers would pan out, on exposed form Gross would have Draper and Langford covered. The way you put a low ceiling of what Gross can achieve and a high floor on what Draper, Smith or Langford could achieve functions simply to confirm your own pre-existing bias.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

You are not to be taken seriously.

You reckon Gross might be a really solid midfielder as part of a team with some elite players, and Draper, Langford and Smith are all going to be A grade, but Gross has out performed them all so far.

And the fact is that Gross is doing it at a club with zero support around him at a basket case makes it even more impressive.

Granted, we are 5 games in to their careers and it's far too early to be making any definitive statements as to how their careers would pan out, on exposed form Gross would have Draper and Langford covered. The way you put a low ceiling of what Gross can achieve and a high floor on what Draper, Smith or Langford could achieve functions simply to confirm your own pre-existing bias.

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Lol. You wrote an essay on why a guy who has played 2 games is better than some other dudes who have played about the same. You should at least use ChatGP.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Lol. You wrote an essay on why a guy who has played 2 games is better than some other dues who have played about the same. You should at least use ChatGP.

Especially when the answer is "We need all 3" when it comes to the Who is better question....

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

No comment on Allan having a higher ceiling than all three?

A big bodied mid always has a higher ceiling. But how many big bodied mids truly cut it as elite? I'm taking one of those other three, every day of the week.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

if my aunty had a c**k she'd be my uncle.
no point living in the whatif.

What's her number? Asking for a friend.

 

[UseR2006]

Ahhh that Ignore button just makes things so much nicer.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Lol. You wrote an essay on why a guy who has played 2 games is better than some other dudes who have played about the same. You should at least use ChatGP.

Of course you reckon 4 paragraphs is an essay, you don't know the difference between transition and transform.

 

[ThePuma #9]

You just transitioned from 1 action to 3 others and said the first action created the 3rd result too.

Lifes not that simple. If we wanted pick 46 on draft night I think we could have got it without LIam Bakers 5 mill contract...

There was no if, just what happened.

Again, no hypotheticals, just what occurred.

Your argument seems to be and correct me if i'm wrong here, that one has absolutely nothing to do with the other because we could have still achieved the same result if we had wanted to but it's not relevant that it did occur in precisely the manner in which i explained?

I mean sure ok, yes it could have stil lhappened IF we wanted Gross and IF someone was prepared to trade with us and IF that pick was early enough to select him before someone else did.

IF is a great tool for arguing, problem is that it's not grounded in facts.

For instance my grandmother could be a bicycle if she had wheels.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

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There was no if, just what happened.

Again, no hypotheticals, just what occurred.

Your argument seems to be and correct me if i'm wrong here, that one has absolutely nothing to do with the other because we could have still achieved the same result if we had wanted to but it's not relevant that it did occur in precisely the manner in which i explained?

I mean sure ok, yes it could have stil lhappened IF we wanted Gross and IF someone was prepared to trade with us and IF that pick was early enough to select him before someone else did.

IF is a great tool for arguing, problem is that it's not grounded in facts.

For instance my grandmother could be a bicycle if she had wheels.

Its not a fact vs fact argument though. It's a value vs value propositions. What do you want out of the options

Reid, Parfitt and 4 mill

Or

Baker and Rawlinson

This is a value 1 vs value 2. Which value do you prefer

 

[UseR2006]

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Its not a fact vs fact argument though. It's a value vs value propositions. What do you want out of the options

Reid, Parfitt and 4 mill

Or

Baker and Rawlinson

This is a value 1 vs value 2. Which value do you prefer

It's not a value 1 v value 2 though

Which Reid are we getting? Which Rawlinson?
Are we getting Round 1 / Preseason Baker where people were impressed or Latest round where people are fed up with missed kicks?

Are we getting Parfitt that the cats delisted or current looking good in the WAFL Parfitt?

These things are not equal.

 

[Shueygod]

A big bodied mid always has a higher ceiling. But how many big bodied mids truly cut it as elite? I'm taking one of those other three, every day of the week.

How many small framed low damage mids make it as elite, how many big bodied treacle slow mids make it as elite?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

How many small framed low damage mids make it as elite, how many big bodied treacle slow mids make it as elite?

Not sure what you're saying here?

Are you saying Smith is a "small framed low damage mid"?
Are you saying Langford is a "big bodied treacle slow mid"?

You know what I have no time for? People who, every time the draft comes around, think they know if a player will make it or not. I don't claim to know who will and who won't. I'm just following the data and percentages.

 

[Shueygod]

Not sure what you're saying here?

Are you saying Smith is a "small framed low damage mid"?
Are you saying Langford is a "big bodied treacle slow mid"?

You know what I have no time for? People who, every time the draft comes around, think they know if a player will make it or not. I don't claim to know who will and who won't. I'm just following the data and percentages.

I’m saying both those things, do you dispute it?

Never claimed to know which player will make it, I’m saying percentage wise the extremely athletic powerful mid has more chance of becoming elite than either of those other two archetypes despite being elite accumulators.

How many truly elite mids fit the previous two descriptions?

 

[WCE777]

So with all the chatter about how WC have stuffed up drafting and trading, and our midfield and leadership are crap.
What are your list of players that WC should target this year and next.

Presuming we finish bottom 2 and Warner doesn't come, we have our 1st(2), Hawks 1st(15-16), WC 2nd(20), Hawks 2nd(34), Hawks 3rd(52) and all of 2026 draft to play with, we need midfielders through the draft and trade period.
3 NGA/FS prospects to draft with later picks 30+ at earliest.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I’m saying both those things, do you dispute it?

Never claimed to know which player will make it, I’m saying percentage wise the extremely athletic powerful mid has more chance of becoming elite than either of those other two archetypes despite being elite accumulators.

How many truly elite mids fit the previous two descriptions?

I dispute Smith. He's not a Cripps type. He's a possession monkey with good disposal and decision making.

I noticed that you conveniently ignored Allan's disposal. Unless you're a Fyfe/Cripps type, you're a bust. You have to make up for the poor disposal with being a bull who can continuously win clutch moments. Not many players are this beast. Could Bo be? Sure. But anything less and it's just a guy getting the ball and continuously coughing up possession. A bust.