List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Keys]

Training notes from the west

https://archive.is/hX4dS

Not much of note other than the mention of Brandon Parfitt making a visit and talking to a layers at the end of training

Might be one to watch as a possible MSD option if he has a good start to the season for Perth

 

[We_The_West]

Training notes from the west

https://archive.is/hX4dS

Not much of note other than the mention of Brandon Parfitt making a visit and talking to a layers at the end of training

Might be one to watch as a possible MSD option if he has a good start to the season for Perth

Parfitt is an interesting one - very highly rated junior and his first few years in the system looked like he was going to be a star.

GWS demanded he be part of the Jeremy Cameron trade and Geelong refused.

I wonder if there are non-footy reasons for his delisting.... you also don't often see players looking for a second chance head to the WAFL either.

 

[We_The_West]

What's everyone's views on Starcevich?

Obviously we don't see a need for additional half-backs... however there was mentioned in an article that he may be lured out of Brisbane with the promise of midfield time...

Was he pigeon holed into that role because of Brisbane's elite mids?

Brandon Starcevich Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A lightning fast, versatile player who has good disposal by foot."

central.rookieme.com

Speed, Agility and Kicking skills were his strengths in his draft year, though wasn't an accumulator and played mainly half back.

He'll be 26 at the end of the year and is in the Lion's leadership group - right age and leadership profile.

Can we develop him into a big bodied defensive mid to protect the young mids and their development?

 

[We_The_West]

The more I think of it...

WC should wait until FA to target Warner. Picks in this year's draft will be a premium with Tassie coming in and the idea of getting Curtin and an elite mid (Rodrigez?) is very enticing.

We could then target someone like an Angus Sheldrick who is OOC and that inside ball pig type, who is a fringe player for a top team and likely would only cost us a 2nd or 3rd round pick - given Sydney's academy prospects, they may be inclined.

We should then use the cash we were going to pay Warner to make a long term front ended deal to lock in Harley.

With Harley locked in, the odds of getting Warner in 2 years will be better and we remove the smokescreen of Harley's contract and look a more attractive destination club.

The extra cap space could also be used to front end load a contract for Starcevich and bring him over as another mature leader who can play multiple roles.

Draft the 2-3 best NGA/FS and happy days!

 

[Elite Pete]

Darcy Cameron sounds like a good get if he goes home.

Agreed but reads like a manager leak to me to get him the contract he wants at the Pies

 

[Elite Pete]

What's everyone's views on Starcevich?

Obviously we don't see a need for additional half-backs... however there was mentioned in an article that he may be lured out of Brisbane with the promise of midfield time...

Was he pigeon holed into that role because of Brisbane's elite mids?

Brandon Starcevich Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A lightning fast, versatile player who has good disposal by foot."

central.rookieme.com

Speed, Agility and Kicking skills were his strengths in his draft year, though wasn't an accumulator and played mainly half back.

He'll be 26 at the end of the year and is in the Lion's leadership group - right age and leadership profile.

Can we develop him into a big bodied defensive mid to protect the young mids and their development?

You’d take him as a FA every day. Even if it’s not Starcevich it could release Hough or even maybe Ginbey down the track to play mid.

Clearly can’t do both of compo for Oscar and sign Starcevich as FA.

 

[eaglevision]

You’d take him as a FA every day. Even if it’s not Starcevich it could release Hough or even maybe Ginbey down the track to play mid.

Clearly can’t do both of compo for Oscar and sign Starcevich as FA.

Agreed, Hough is too good to spend his career playing as a lock down defender. More attacking HBF or even a wing might suit him.

If Oscar goes, Brisbane would be an ideal landing spot as we can work a trade in our favour with the Lions for Starcevich as to not dilute the Oscar compo whilst not matching an offer for Oscar. I posted in a different thread:

OUT: 2027 2R, 3R
IN: Starcevich, WCE 3R (that we traded to Lions)

Plus the band 1 compo for Oscar.

If Chad stays with Sydney we could also package up some of our picks for points and get the Lions 1R.

 

[Elite Pete]

The more I think of it...

WC should wait until FA to target Warner. Picks in this year's draft will be a premium with Tassie coming in and the idea of getting Curtin and an elite mid (Rodrigez?) is very enticing.

We could then target someone like an Angus Sheldrick who is OOC and that inside ball pig type, who is a fringe player for a top team and likely would only cost us a 2nd or 3rd round pick - given Sydney's academy prospects, they may be inclined.

We should then use the cash we were going to pay Warner to make a long term front ended deal to lock in Harley.

With Harley locked in, the odds of getting Warner in 2 years will be better and we remove the smokescreen of Harley's contract and look a more attractive destination club.

The extra cap space could also be used to front end load a contract for Starcevich and bring him over as another mature leader who can play multiple roles.

Draft the 2-3 best NGA/FS and happy days!

Sheldrick should 100% be on the radar. He could rent out Chad house for 2 years of it goes that way.

Imo ideally both him and Chad but unlikely because if Chad leaves Sheldrick probably believes he’s the next man up in that role but they do have Clearly and another bunch of academy kids this year so depending how this season goes the writing might be on the wall for him.

 

[suntagonal]

Sheldrick should 100% be on the radar. He could rent out Chad house for 2 years of it goes that way.

Imo ideally both him and Chad but unlikely because if Chad leaves Sheldrick probably believes he’s the next man up in that role but they do have Clearly and another bunch of academy kids this year so depending how this season goes the writing might be on the wall for him.

Sounds like a Dev situation....

 

[We_The_West]

Sounds like a Dev situation....

I hope Busslinger requests a trade this year when he realises he's just getting Devved

 

[mat11]

Also need to look inside the soft cap for a better Ruck coach. Bbw was progressing well in 2023 and has gone backwards in his development when he should be entering his prime and barnett went from being the best 18yr old Ruck in the country to being delisted imminently

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[MrWoollie]

You included bits that the Victorian media don't normally feel much like mentioning.

(Go look at the national press prior to the 2018 GF - you'd have been hard pressed to work out who Collingwood were playing)

Oh they made it clear. A team that didn't deserve to be there and would get smashed at Collingwood's home ground in a one sided snoozefest.

Melbourne were robbed.

If you want to see an absolutely disgraceful media biased WC don't exist piece all you have to do is look on Youtube for 'The Seekers Grand Final' to get the 1994 GF show.

Except for a couple of flag wavers at 8:40 and the run up the teams pre bounce you'd think there was only one team playing. There's about 5 minutes of the Seekers, 5 minutes of Geelong propaganda and about 5 seconds on WC.



And they wonder why we think the Vic bias is real.

 

[DanWCE]

Harley has to suck it up instead of somebody else needs to stand up is an interesting way of thinking.

How about one of our other spuds gives Harley some support? Or is Yeo the only one interested in doing that?

Turns out Graham was a good get. I'll be the first to admit I hadn't watched much of him at the Tigers but I didn't expect he'd have that dawggg in him.

Absolutely seems the type to work for Harley to shine but also to fly the flag for him.

 

[WCE777]

What's everyone's views on Starcevich?

Obviously we don't see a need for additional half-backs... however there was mentioned in an article that he may be lured out of Brisbane with the promise of midfield time...

Was he pigeon holed into that role because of Brisbane's elite mids?

Brandon Starcevich Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A lightning fast, versatile player who has good disposal by foot."

central.rookieme.com

Speed, Agility and Kicking skills were his strengths in his draft year, though wasn't an accumulator and played mainly half back.

He'll be 26 at the end of the year and is in the Lion's leadership group - right age and leadership profile.

Can we develop him into a big bodied defensive mid to protect the young mids and their development?

Starcevich is a very good player and probably the premier lock down defender in the AFL.
Not necessarily a list need but his age profile, leadership, ability to maybe be used up the ground with his speed and kicking, maybe midfield, or allow the likes of Hough or Ginbey to be utilised further up the ground.
At the right price he would definitely make our list better.

 

[WCE777]

The more I think of it...

WC should wait until FA to target Warner. Picks in this year's draft will be a premium with Tassie coming in and the idea of getting Curtin and an elite mid (Rodrigez?) is very enticing.

We could then target someone like an Angus Sheldrick who is OOC and that inside ball pig type, who is a fringe player for a top team and likely would only cost us a 2nd or 3rd round pick - given Sydney's academy prospects, they may be inclined.

We should then use the cash we were going to pay Warner to make a long term front ended deal to lock in Harley.

With Harley locked in, the odds of getting Warner in 2 years will be better and we remove the smokescreen of Harley's contract and look a more attractive destination club.

The extra cap space could also be used to front end load a contract for Starcevich and bring him over as another mature leader who can play multiple roles.

Draft the 2-3 best NGA/FS and happy days!

I would actually say the opposite, our midfield is weak and Yeo and Kelly have maybe 3 seasons left.
I would go all chips in and get Warner and use all available draft capital to get an elite mid in the likes of Rodriguez/Sharp/Greeves and Curtin as the best KDEF and speed up our rebuild with Warner and in 3 years we have Harley, Warner, Hewett and the new draftee as our midfield.
Our best 2-3 FS/NGA players this year and that is enough.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

The more I think of it...

WC should wait until FA to target Warner. Picks in this year's draft will be a premium with Tassie coming in and the idea of getting Curtin and an elite mid (Rodrigez?) is very enticing.

We could then target someone like an Angus Sheldrick who is OOC and that inside ball pig type, who is a fringe player for a top team and likely would only cost us a 2nd or 3rd round pick - given Sydney's academy prospects, they may be inclined.

We should then use the cash we were going to pay Warner to make a long term front ended deal to lock in Harley.

With Harley locked in, the odds of getting Warner in 2 years will be better and we remove the smokescreen of Harley's contract and look a more attractive destination club.

The extra cap space could also be used to front end load a contract for Starcevich and bring him over as another mature leader who can play multiple roles.

Draft the 2-3 best NGA/FS and happy days!

Normally I agree with the patient approach, but with Harley dangling here I think one of the ways to keep him here in at least the mid term is grabbing Warner now.

 

[BSD]

The more I think of it...

WC should wait until FA to target Warner. Picks in this year's draft will be a premium with Tassie coming in and the idea of getting Curtin and an elite mid (Rodrigez?) is very enticing.

We could then target someone like an Angus Sheldrick who is OOC and that inside ball pig type, who is a fringe player for a top team and likely would only cost us a 2nd or 3rd round pick - given Sydney's academy prospects, they may be inclined.

We should then use the cash we were going to pay Warner to make a long term front ended deal to lock in Harley.

With Harley locked in, the odds of getting Warner in 2 years will be better and we remove the smokescreen of Harley's contract and look a more attractive destination club.

The extra cap space could also be used to front end load a contract for Starcevich and bring him over as another mature leader who can play multiple roles.

Draft the 2-3 best NGA/FS and happy days!

Why not draft the best 2-3 available players that fill our specific needs, irrespective of their background.

 

[stallon]

Idk if they'd have any interest, but even a Johnson or Erasmus from freo would have to have a little value to us.
Theyre older than the rest of our young mids, and if we miss on Sheldrick they're probably next best in that age bracket

Sounds like Murphy Reid has passed them in the pecking order(his ability to play half forward seems to get him over the line).

 

[WCErevival]

Idk if they'd have any interest, but even a Johnson or Erasmus from freo would have to have a little value to us.
Theyre older than the rest of our young mids, and if we miss on Sheldrick they're probably next best in that age bracket

Sounds like Murphy Reid has passed them in the pecking order(his ability to play half forward seems to get him over the line).

We don't really need more average mids though otherwise we end up like StKilda and never get anywhere.

 

[FKASC]

Turns out Graham was a good get. I'll be the first to admit I hadn't watched much of him at the Tigers but I didn't expect he'd have that dawggg in him.

Absolutely seems the type to work for Harley to shine but also to fly the flag for him.

Everyone at Richmond needed to have that hard edge for their scrappy gameplan to work. Even if it was a faux hard edge some of the time

 

[Elite Pete]

Sounds like a Dev situation....

100% and that’s a big problem with being as bad as we are. I bet if we were knocking on the door of the finals these players would be a lot more keen. Also not every player has a huge desire to return to the state they grew up in.

Hawks in 2023 offseason missed out on the bigger names of Ben McKay (who apparently took less money to play at Dons), Ratugolea and Liam Henry.

Had a plan B and got Ginnivan (for not much) Chol and Massimo (because they offered a 2 year deal) who all played a role and were smart moves now. Some at the time questioned them.

Now 2024 the Hawk media are going on about how they are the best recruiters. (Even if they missed out on Bailey Smith) because they got TB and Battle.

If we miss in the big swings of Warner and co we need a back up plan. I think all 3 recruits we got last year fit a role. But now it’s time to fix the midfield and ruck.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Everyone at Richmond needed to have that hard edge for their scrappy gameplan to work. Even if it was a faux hard edge some of the time

Heard Graham gave Maric a good whack in the guts during the most recent intraclub. He was filthy and it seemed to put him off his game for a few minutes. At first it seems a bit out of order but the message from the coaching staff would've been to put these young boys through their paces and not to hold back. It's such a great lesson to be able to hold your focus despite copping a whack and feeling hard done by.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

The free agent plan might be a bit premature. What lure do you have to get players getting decent pay and game time at clubs that are considered top 8 clubs to want to come to you when you are a bottom 4 club and it is conventional wisdom that you will be bottom 4 for some time to come?

It could only be by paying them way over the odds. And if you do that (i.e. bring in outsiders on massive overs in terms of salary) then you risk creating discontent within your own playing group and having existing plans start making exorbitant demands when their own contracts come up.

If we want free agents we are more likely to get them without having to sell the farm to do so a couple of years from now when we are percieved as being ready for a move up the ladder.

Keep looking and talking to people. But I think realistically we would only really be looking at the subset of free agents who have personal reasons for wanting to come to Perth and so we don't have to offer to double or triple their existing their salary to get them to take us seriously.

 

[stallon]

We don't really need more average mids though otherwise we end up like StKilda and never get anywhere.

We need depth in the midfield who is ready to hold their own at AFL level.
All the guys we gave drafted in the last 2 or 3 years aside from Reid havent really shown theyll be able to do it yet, and are probably at least 2+ years away.

Need somebody to fill the gap between Yeo/Kelly and the younger kids. Graham and Duggan are ok but they're not going to make us better, they're just cover imo.

Johnson and Erasmus turn 23 next year, thats a good age and they won't get opportunity at Freo. Could be very cheap.

They'd fill the same role Sheldrick would, and most seem keen on Sheldrick. They've got more exposure than Sheldrick too

 

[WCErevival]

We need depth in the midfield who is ready to hold their own at AFL level.
All the guys we gave drafted in the last 2 or 3 years aside from Reid havent really shown theyll be able to do it yet, and are probably at least 2+ years away.

Need somebody to fill the gap between Yeo/Kelly and the younger kids. Graham and Duggan are ok but they're not going to make us better, they're just cover imo.

Johnson and Erasmus turn 23 next year, thats a good age and they won't get opportunity at Freo. Could be very cheap.

They'd fill the same role Sheldrick would, and most seem keen on Sheldrick. They've got more exposure than Sheldrick too

But are they any good though is what I'm getting at. If they are only middling talents then they are simply cover until we get someone else like Duggan and Graham.