List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Grahame]

Graham also might want to stop giving cut lunches to 20 year old kids in internal trials if he wants to maintain that good bloke tag. Seen this sort of thing plenty around footy clubs and it’s awfully convenient that it’s never leadership or developed bigger boys that these guys want to punch. I’m really hoping we see that aggression at the CBA this year in protecting Harley.

Sorry disagree. You suggest Graham picked on a smaller or player - he’s gives away 10-15cm to Maric. And talk to any Tigers supporters - Graham or Baker are definitely not worried about size. They were bought in to provide leadership and toughness - something lacking in recent years.

I’m suggesting Graham hitting Maric in the stomach (not the head) was not a spur of the moment thing. And it may or may not be related to Maric being kitted up but not playing a minute in the North game.

Maybe standards are being set?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Graham also might want to stop giving cut lunches to 20 year old kids in internal trials if he wants to maintain that good bloke tag. Seen this sort of thing plenty around footy clubs and it’s awfully convenient that it’s never leadership or developed bigger boys that these guys want to punch. I’m really hoping we see that aggression at the CBA this year in protecting Harley.

What are you talking about? Graham laid about 5 big hits against North and protected Harley.

The swing on Maric was a bit ordinary, but think it was more just aggression that bubbled over (my understanding is Graham thought Maric punched him, but it was someone else).

That sort of stuff happens occasionally. I'd be surprised if there are any hard feelings. I'd much rather see things boil over at training once in a while than have a bunch of soft c0cks who don't do sh!t when an oppo player knocks a first year guy into next week like we saw a couple of years back.

 

[Rowan18]

Yep there is a world where our draft hand would make Richmond’s draft hand look average. We could have 5-6 ‘top 10’ picks this year. Might not be the draft to have them in and they will likely blow out with academy and father sons.

Pick 2*- ours
Pick 3*- Oscar compo
Pick 5*- Essendon pick (Harley)
Pick 7/10*- Demons pick (Harley trade)
Pick 7/10*- Suns/Power/Pies pick (Bundle of Hawks1 and our 2nd round pick)

Would mean losing Oscar and Harley and would make the Baker trade more of a head scratcher but if results go our way or don’t go our way in other situations we could have a draft hand that would have the draft mafia in here very happy.

This would see our rebuild go backwards several years in order to gamble on new players. Trading Harley this year would be a disaster.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

This would see our rebuild go backwards several years in order to gamble on new players. Trading Harley this year would be a disaster.

If we do it the way EP lays out, we will be waiting 4-5 years to see if those picks develop in to players that can take us to finals. And by then blokes like Archer Reid, Shanahan, Noah Long maybe even Hewett would be long gone, and guys like Waterman about to retire lol.

 

[WCE777]

I would personally be going all in depending on club results. Look to add Warner for balanced goal kicking mid, Sharp for inside and trying to get Sheldrick as well for inside. His defensive game has improved and I see him as a nugget who will keep improving.

I'd also be in the ear of Josh Ward if he's struggling for a spot at the Hawks, I really rate him. I'd happily go all 4 firsts and both seconds to make this happen.

Warner, Ward, Sheldrick as well as Sharp or Greeves. Short term and long term needs in the midfield covered. We need our young KPD's to come on and then you're just topping up talent and for needs in the future. Trade for a ruck when one is available or when the club thinks it's ready to challenge. So in my mind in the above scenario i'd be looking at trading 2 second rounders at end of 2027 for a ruck to be ready for a shot from 2028 onwards all things going reasonably to plan.

Following on from this discussion, what would fair value for Ward be?
Hawks 2nd rounder that we hold and maybe our F2nd or 3rd?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Following on from this discussion, what would fair value for Ward be?
Hawks 2nd rounder that we hold and maybe our F2nd or 3rd?

This feels a bit overs. Currently out of favour, out of contract midfielder.

With Worpel going down he may get an opportunity to improve his value, but right now I'd say our 2nd.

 

[WCE777]

This feels a bit overs. Currently out of favour, out of contract midfielder.

With Worpel going down he may get an opportunity to improve his value, but right now I'd say our 2nd.

That's why I mentioned Hawks 2nd which we hold is roughly 29 and F3rd would be early 40's as another option?
Same age/draft as Chesser and played 42 games and more accomplished, would probably be fair value as a mid 2nd round and early F3rd?

 

[eaglevision]

This would see our rebuild go backwards several years in order to gamble on new players. Trading Harley this year would be a disaster.

Trading our 1R pick (18y.o.) for Warner (24y.o.) is an absolute no brainer with our age profile. Would take another 6 years to get them to Warner’s level if we’re lucky. The question is what else needs to go to the Swans.

If Oscar leaves I’d also look to see if there is a premier mid 21-24yo to trade that pick (3-4) for if there is a willing buyer.

Backing us in to get Harley to extend, even if it’s a short one.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I don't know if this has any merit, but Karl Langdon on 6PR the other day said Warner to Freo is done. It was quite emphatic and didnt sound sarcastic at all...

It's a shame. I thought we had to be in the lead for his signature, considering their salary cap could not fit anyone else of that quality. + They will probably still chase Kozzy unless they gave up on him to get Warner done and dusted.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I don't know if this has any merit, but Karl Langdon on 6PR the other day said Warner to Freo is done. It was quite emphatic and didnt sound sarcastic at all...

It's a shame. I thought we had to be in the lead for his signature, considering their salary cap could not fit anyone else of that quality. + They will probably still chase Kozzy unless they gave up on him to get Warner done and dusted.

Heard the Langdon talk from somewhere else. Pretty sure Langdon has been wrong many times. Wasn't he emphatic that we were getting Jackson?

Only thing worse than Warner staying in Sydney would be him playing for Freo.

My personal take is there is much more noise from reliable people saying we are in front for Warner. So I choose to believe them.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Sorry disagree. You suggest Graham picked on a smaller or player - he’s gives away 10-15cm to Maric. And talk to any Tigers supporters - Graham or Baker are definitely not worried about size. They were bought in to provide leadership and toughness - something lacking in recent years.

I’m suggesting Graham hitting Maric in the stomach (not the head) was not a spur of the moment thing. And it may or may not be related to Maric being kitted up but not playing a minute in the North game.

Maybe standards are being set?

No, I was very careful about that, I suggested graham hit a kid that he’s unlikely to suffer any serious ramifications from given his age, standing in the club and lack of physical development.

You may well be right about the full kit/ lack of minutes. Plenty of ways to send a message to your players without getting teammates to belt each other. What happens if Maric decides he wants to go on with it?

based on Marics reaction do we think he thought it was a reasonable action in setting standards?

What are you talking about? Graham laid about 5 big hits against North and protected Harley.

The swing on Maric was a bit ordinary, but think it was more just aggression that bubbled over (my understanding is Graham thought Maric punched him, but it was someone else).

That sort of stuff happens occasionally. I'd be surprised if there are any hard feelings. I'd much rather see things boil over at training once in a while than have a bunch of soft c0cks who don't do sh!t when an oppo player knocks a first year guy into next week like we saw a couple of years back.

Great, let’s see it continue all year. full disclaimer, I did not see the north game.

Yes, I agree it’s completely ordinary for a great on field leader to be belting our kids. That’s what I’m talking about.

There’s complete flaccid penis that we’ve been and then there’s belting team mate kids and saying oh my bad mate just white line fever you know. I’m suggesting there’s probably a grey area towards the upper end of this where great leaders can operate without this sort of behaviour. It’s completely possible to play hard footy tackling, bumping, making players earn their ball without taking a cheap swings at them.

 

[squashface]

Not overly concerned if we lose Oscar. Obviously you would rather keep him but not for silly money.

My opinion would have been vastly different 12 months ago before Jake arrived.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Great, let’s see it continue all year. full disclaimer, I did not see the north game.

Yes, I agree it’s completely ordinary for a great on field leader to be belting our kids. That’s what I’m talking about.

There’s complete flaccid penis that we’ve been and then there’s belting team mate kids and saying oh my bad mate just white line fever you know. I’m suggesting there’s probably a grey area towards the upper end of this where great leaders can operate without this sort of behaviour. It’s completely possible to play hard footy tackling, bumping, making players earn their ball without taking a cheap swings at them.

I'd recommend you go watch the North game and see how Graham carried himself and then come back. Feel like you're really raking him over coals for what I would consider a pretty misdemeanour thing of slightly crossing a line with Maric.

This is an over reaction to a very heat of the moment thing that would happen every now and then at all 18 clubs.

A month ago we had Hewett and Hall basically cage fighting and needing to be pulled apart.

It's preseason, it's hot, the boys have been amping themselves and each other on for months, they're keen to get into the real stuff, and there's a lot of peacocking happening as everyone finds their place in the food chain with all the change (coach, staff, players) we've had.

It really isn't something worth getting worked up over.

 

[Elite Pete]

This would see our rebuild go backwards several years in order to gamble on new players. Trading Harley this year would be a disaster.

Of course it would but if he asks for a trade and with his player management group it will happen. Best to cash in now then delay it a year and he’s OOC.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Of course it would but if he asks for a trade and with his player management group it will happen. Best to cash in now then delay it a year and he’s OOC.

This is seriously weak as piss.

He's likely to have an average season of an interrupted pre-season. We hold him, and make up any value we lose from contract status by him being a year older and having a great season in 2026.

Trading a contracted#1 pick is something minnow clubs like GWS and North Melbourne do.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

I'd recommend you go watch the North game and see how Graham carried himself and then come back. Feel like you're really raking him over coals for what I would consider a pretty misdemeanour thing of slightly crossing a line with Maric.

This is an over reaction to a very heat of the moment thing that would happen every now and then at all 18 clubs.

A month ago we had Hewett and Hall basically cage fighting and needing to be pulled apart.

It's preseason, it's hot, the boys have been amping themselves and each other on for months, they're keen to get into the real stuff, and there's a lot of peacocking happening as everyone finds their place in the food chain with all the change (coach, staff, players) we've had.

It really isn't something worth getting worked up over.

Probably, my view is very likely tainted due to missing weeks in my playing days due to “high profile” teammates having no issues hitting/injuring team mates at training to protect their own egos.

I was also responding to a pretty generous glow up of the Richmond players and comparative indifference to Oscar which I’m not quite on board with.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Probably, my view is very likely tainted due to missing weeks in my playing days due to “high profile” teammates having no issues hitting/injuring team mates at training to protect their own egos.

I was also responding to a pretty generous glow up of the Richmond players and comparative indifference to Oscar which I’m not quite on board with.

Right. On the first bit. That's not what it felt like to me. I think it was very much a bit of an error in judgment/heat of the moment thing from Graham, that happens from time to time.

On the leadership element - I think we need to be really open minded about what the leadership at WC has been since 2019. It's certainly not a glowing endorsement of Oscar, Duggo or anyone at our club that we were so eager to bring in leaders from other clubs because we felt that was so lacking at our club.

And to their credit, Baker and Graham (especially Baker) have delivered on what they said they were going to bring.

 

[Grahame]

There’s complete flaccid penis that we’ve been and then there’s belting team mate kids and saying oh my bad mate just white line fever you know. I’m suggesting there’s probably a grey area towards the upper end of this where great leaders can operate without this sort of behaviour. It’s completely possible to play hard footy tackling, bumping, making players earn their ball without taking a cheap swings at them.

Maric entering his third season at the club.

Maric has played 29 games (more than 20 others).

Maric is 20.5yrs (14 players younger than him).

Maric is listed at 196 (32 players shorter than him; 29 if 193). Graham is 181.

So, hardly NicNat tummy punching a 16yo Hough.

And it could have been heat of the battle. Or a mistake. Or, 'I've repeatedly told you Ryan you need to protect yourself more'. Or 'toughen up Ryan'.

 

[Elite Pete]

If we do it the way EP lays out, we will be waiting 4-5 years to see if those picks develop in to players that can take us to finals. And by then blokes like Archer Reid, Shanahan, Noah Long maybe even Hewett would be long gone, and guys like Waterman about to retire lol.

To clarify it’s not my suggestion. I responded if there is a scenario where we have a better draft hand than Richmond had this year. If hypothetically Harley wasn’t going to sign and we let Oscar walk. Which imo would be in play if the posters scenario played out.

I’m all in on cashing in picks for the right stars to improve our mids now and from the moves last year I think the list team is as well.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Maric entering his third season at the club.

Maric has played 29 games (more than 20 others).

Maric is 20.5yrs (14 players younger than him).

Maric is listed at 196 (32 players shorter than him; 29 if 193). Graham is 181.

So, hardly NicNat tummy punching a 16yo Hough.

And it could have been heat of the battle. Or a mistake. Or, 'I've repeatedly told you Ryan you need to protect yourself more'. Or 'toughen up Ryan'.

When we’re throwing in half years, we’re working hard as possible to find numbers to justify this.

His a tall sub 21 year old that has a longer physically development timeline pitted against a bloke that’s spent 9 years in the gym.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Maric entering his third season at the club.

Maric has played 29 games (more than 20 others).

Maric is 20.5yrs (14 players younger than him).

Maric is listed at 196 (32 players shorter than him; 29 if 193). Graham is 181.

So, hardly NicNat tummy punching a 16yo Hough.

And it could have been heat of the battle. Or a mistake. Or, 'I've repeatedly told you Ryan you need to protect yourself more'. Or 'toughen up Ryan'.

Did NicNat tummy punch a 16 year old Hough?????

Delist.

 

[Farang83150]

Storm in a teacup, same stuff happens at all clubs, men playing a contact sport, gee what a surprise!

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Did NicNat tummy punch a 16 year old Hough?????

Delist.

Incredible leadership, what a great bloke.

 

[FatPizza]

Did NicNat tummy punch a 16 year old Hough?????

Delist.

Nic Nat did show Sandilands some tough love though. Such a stand up guy.

 

[mat11]

Trading our 1R pick (18y.o.) for Warner (24y.o.) is an absolute no brainer with our age profile. Would take another 6 years to get them to Warner’s level if we’re lucky. The question is what else needs to go to the Swans.

If Oscar leaves I’d also look to see if there is a premier mid 21-24yo to trade that pick (3-4) for if there is a willing buyer.

Backing us in to get Harley to extend, even if it’s a short one.

Wce finish 15th = pick4
Hawks finish 4th = pick 15
=3164pts equates to pick 1'ish

Last year's shai deal equated to pick 2 but shai contracted probably bumps that up a fair bit

Fwiw wce at 15th is because Rich,Saints,Roos finish below.

Get band 1 compo for Allen

Pick 4 + 15 - The Chad
Pick 5(Allen compo) - The Fred
Pick 22 - ???
Picks 33 + 51 - Banfield/Walley etc bids


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