List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[WCE777]

Realistically what would people here be willing to accept paying for a decent ruck that can cover the next 3-4 years is the question. If TDK goes to Collingwood then people need to accept that the clubs 2nd round pick would be a minimum for Cameron despite his age.

This also allows Archer Reid to develop and us to actively look at drafting in a real ruck next year where there look to be a couple of real talents. Jacob Van Rooyen is still 16 and was probably WA's second best player yesterday. He got beaten out of the taps by strength but is already 203cm and was great at ground level and around the ground.

I think if this is what happens, that Archer is our next young ruck in 3-4 years and Cameron is gettable for 3 years and our 2nd round pick, that's a good play for a very good ruck and set up A Reid for a good development under a quality ruck.
That would mean we are 1 ruck too many, surplus too requirements and that would be Flynn imo, he is contracted for another year but also ruck coach for the AFLW, don't know the pay or setup but we could rookie him and pay him for his coaching role to make his payment amount work.
Keep BW as a 2nd ruck/fwd, JW is a decent cover as a 2nd ruck/fwd and Cameron and Archer.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

If you felt Oppo rucks are constantly among best on ground against us, you’d be right.

Not ground breaking, but really illustrates just how much dominance oppo rucks are against us.

 

[Wight Wolf]

If you felt Oppo rucks are constantly among best on ground against us, you’d be right.

Not ground breaking, but really illustrates just how much dominance oppo rucks are against us.


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Called it before the season started with Flynn.

Our ruck is diabolical and Flynn is a stop gap for this year only. Im happy to keep B Williams.

We need to snipe another ruck in the off season as a P1.

 

[WA footy mad]

I think if this is what happens, that Archer is our next young ruck in 3-4 years and Cameron is gettable for 3 years and our 2nd round pick, that's a good play for a very good ruck and set up A Reid for a good development under a quality ruck.
That would mean we are 1 ruck too many, surplus too requirements and that would be Flynn imo, he is contracted for another year but also ruck coach for the AFLW, don't know the pay or setup but we could rookie him and pay him for his coaching role to make his payment amount work.
Keep BW as a 2nd ruck/fwd, JW is a decent cover as a 2nd ruck/fwd and Cameron and Archer.

Sick of cameron call to old

 

[WCE777]

Sick of cameron call to old

In the scenario set out it would work for 3 years, otherwise he is too old.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

In the scenario set out it would work for 3 years, otherwise he is too old.

You understood that sentence?

 

[new breed]

Called it before the season started with Flynn.

Our ruck is diabolical and Flynn is a stop gap for this year only. Im happy to keep B Williams.

We need to snipe another ruck in the off season as a P1.

Livingstone could be a surprise fill-in ruckman , seems capable of playing AFL if needed .

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Sick of cameron call to old

Well, he is when you consider what we'd probably have to pay for him. Collingwood are going to want Hawks R1. That should NOT be on the table.

edit: put NOT in there.

 

[WA footy mad]

Pick 100 is too much for Cameron

 

[MrWoollie]

Well, he is when you consider what we'd probably have to pay for him. Collingwood are going to want Hawks R1. That should be on the table.

Are you seriously suggesting we offer Hawks R1 for an average (yes, better than our below average, but still average), over 30 ruck who will be cashing in his pensioner bus pass before we are even in sight of finals?

So we get 4 or 5 hits to advantage we currently don't get. Maybe get a couple of extra clearances a game. Maybe, just maybe, turn a close loss into a win once a year.
No way is anything but a freebie worth that.
If we were contending then it would be a short term, minor improvement, push us over the top etc. option. But we're not. So it isn't.

I'd rather target/draft an inside mid who can shark a few opposition taps as was often done to us in the NN era.

 

[Donkers]

Livingstone could be a surprise fill-in ruckman , seems capable of playing AFL if needed .

He's wafl level only imo and that's his ceiling imo. He was a free swing and had potential to be a tall charging key forward if he developed quickly. We probably need the cat B spot.

Champion is a much higher level talent but will take a few years to be ready if he fully applies himself imo.

I would prefer whichever of the 3 makes it through and isn't bid on in the main draft in Livingstone's cat B slot out of Walley, Evans and Williams. If they all get bid on and it's a chance then we're in a bit of a pickle.

 

[new breed]

He's wafl level only imo and that's his ceiling imo. He was a free swing and had potential to be a tall charging key forward if he developed quickly. We probably need the cat B spot.

Champion is a much higher level talent but will take a few years to be ready if he fully applies himself imo.

I would prefer whichever of the 3 makes it through and isn't bid on in the main draft in Livingstone's cat B slot out of Walley, Evans and Williams. If they all get bid on and it's a chance then we're in a bit of a pickle.

AFL could give us access to all Cat B as a way of priority compensation , we're been pretty bad for a while ...long while .

 

[Donkers]

AFL could give us access to all Cat B as a way of priority compensation , we're been pretty bad for a while ...long while .

They could but I refuse to believe the AFL will give the club anything until we get it. Then it will at least be a nice surprise whatever it is.

 

[new breed]

They could but I refuse to believe the AFL will give the club anything until we get it. Then it will at least be a nice surprise whatever it is.

Not major compensation but would increase our depth allowing access to all Cat B .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Are you seriously suggesting we offer Hawks R1 for an average (yes, better than our below average, but still average), over 30 ruck who will be cashing in his pensioner bus pass before we are even in sight of finals?

He was in the All Australian squad last year and looking like repeating that this year.

You can criticise the decision to pursue him, the cost in trade capital and the relative benefit. But you can’t claim he’s just an average ruckman.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Only way I’d really want Cameron, given what he’d cost, would be if we got the North end of first rounder that must be traded compo.

Again it’s all predicated on the Pies getting a better replacement, which would have to be TDK as a free agent.

 

[Elite Pete]

We are armed with our Rd2, hawks rd2 and rd3 team will be looking to trade for points im sure we can get another late first round pick of the Cameron thing happens with the bundle and still get players ranked in that range.

Pies have 2x NGAs and FS that will be around the Hawks F1 so they are unlikely to want that pick anyway if rankings stay around the same.

If Bailey Williams keeps kicking goals I reckon he would be on the Pies want list. Replace Membrey ect.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Are you seriously suggesting we offer Hawks R1 for an average (yes, better than our below average, but still average), over 30 ruck who will be cashing in his pensioner bus pass before we are even in sight of finals?

So we get 4 or 5 hits to advantage we currently don't get. Maybe get a couple of extra clearances a game. Maybe, just maybe, turn a close loss into a win once a year.
No way is anything but a freebie worth that.
If we were contending then it would be a short term, minor improvement, push us over the top etc. option. But we're not. So it isn't.

I'd rather target/draft an inside mid who can shark a few opposition taps as was often done to us in the NN era.

It's a typo. Should say "should not". Soz.

You're preaching to the "never had to be converted because I was never on the bus". Some other people should take heed, though.

 

[Tugga27]

He was in the All Australian squad last year and looking like repeating that this year.

You can criticise the decision to pursue him, the cost in trade capital and the relative benefit. But you can’t claim he’s just an average ruckman.

Also runner up in last year's B&F.

 

[dinnaz]

He was in the All Australian squad last year and looking like repeating that this year.

You can criticise the decision to pursue him, the cost in trade capital and the relative benefit. But you can’t claim he’s just an average ruckman.

Ruck quality in this era of AFL is trash. Average player but no one else is any better.

 

[MrWoollie]

He was in the All Australian squad last year and looking like repeating that this year.

You can criticise the decision to pursue him, the cost in trade capital and the relative benefit. But you can’t claim he’s just an average ruckman.

I've watched him play a fair bit and he's made to look better than he would otherwise look by the midfield he has around him.
Hell, I'd be in AA contention if I was rucking to Daicos, Daicos, Pendles, Sidebottom etc.
If he came to us I'm picking that even if he worked harder than ever and was our primary ruck, that...
1. We'd still lose the clearance battle every week,
2. He'd look like an average ruck,
3. He wouldn't be in the top 100 in line for an AA gig.

 

[Goomba1973]

If it is "plantaris" like was said in presser, and provided it fully ruptured, he will play in a month. When ruptured it's done, and the Achilles/calf has no issue returning to normal function quite quickly. It's a useless muscle, and only problematic when partially strained as it causes pain, then it's 8weeks

just finish rupturing it then? Robert Harvey if I remember correctly had some issues with some tendons in his feet , he went about rupturing them completely on purpose , and played 2 weeks later .... then for another 6 or so years.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I've watched him play a fair bit and he's made to look better than he would otherwise look by the midfield he has around him.
Hell, I'd be in AA contention if I was rucking to Daicos, Daicos, Pendles, Sidebottom etc.

Sure, that’s why Clark Keating and Jamie Charman were regularly All-Australian candidates while they were rucking to Voss/Black/Aker/Lappin.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Ruck quality in this era of AFL is trash. Average player but no one else is any better.

You don't need a good ruckman, but you can't let your direct opponent be BOG either. There are some very average ruckman who are premiership players, yet the 3 best rucks of the last 10 years, Gawn, Grundy, Naitanui have combined for 12 AA jumpers but only have 1 flag between.

 

[Goomba1973]

I remember watching one of those footy shows with an AFL House connected journo not long ago and he said that the league thinks that massively fluid player movements are what the fans want. I think that is wrong. People like having club champions that they cheer on for 10 years, not having most players play for 3 or 4 clubs over their career. And i think people want fairness. If a club loses a player they have invested in the trading system should be be weighted in that clubs favour to enable them to get a fair return for that player.

Yup, it's not what the fans want , it's what the players association and clubs want. Players get better opportunities and clubs get more flexibility. Fans would be livid if you got bont for 4 years , then he went to another club, and then again and so on and so forth.