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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
  • Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
  • Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
  • Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
  • (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order
 

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Can't believe we need to trade Harley to get a pick for him :(

And I'm breathing a sigh of relief that for some unfathomable reason GWS chose Adelaide's first rounder over ours when we wanted to get back in to draft Curtin.

Which we then used that pick to bring in Baker, Bo Allen, Owies and Gross (I think?)

So it all worked out in the end anyway. And why the hell would be throw away multiple firsts for a kid who won't make a difference for us right now when we can wait a few years and get him for just salary cap as a UFA when the team's in a better position to compete?
 
Chesser isn’t lighting up the WAFL the same as why Gross isn’t either.

Our seconds are comparatively worse than our firsts when matched against their opposition. Especially when you’re coming back from an LTI and you’re a run and carry player, but the ball isn’t getting extracted… what’s meant to happen?

I think Chesser’s athleticism would suit Mini’s game plan well. There’s a player in there - but no one’s got the best out of him yet.
 
Cripps was in good form before he got injured. He seemed to come back very early from the injury and hasn't played at the same level since. I wonder if he came back too early?

Alternate theory/defence: the more the new game plan has clicked the more he's being left out of the play.

Us plebs don't have access to this kind of data but if you were to go look through the matches from earlier in the year I suspect you'd find that he got a lot of his ball in the form of uncontested possessions where certain players would look for him in certain places and use him as that link up at half forward. Kick/mark type stuff.

Increasingly, we are moving the ball differently so he doesn't appear to be an avenue anymore. It wasn't always these guys but you might find that when Kelly played as a mid he'd look for Cripps, and Waterman and Allen would use him extensively too, could be that Gov and Hough did as well though that isn't really coming to mind. I would wager that a decent chunk of his possessions came from those Simmo style play guys. Now Kelly has moved into the same position and is a superior mark to Cripps so thats competition for the same ball, minus someone who was previously looking to use you. Then Waterman and Allen aren't out there anymore, Gone, Hough role change. The ball is moving by hand a lot more and he's not really a part of those chains. Maybe not even because he's captain fumbles, could also or ore likely be that players habitually look to work with those they have connection with and a whole bunch of new connections are being make among the new players. Consequence is he's now 30% less involved in the play. Just a theory. Trying to be kind for those who'll want to believe he's out there working as hard as ever and just in a bit of a for slump.

Add to this/or he's an old old boy carrying an injury and it's a long season. Doesn't really seem to be enjoying himself out there and isn't really working as hard for whatever reason, when he's always been a player who's output was linked to work rate. Watching him yesterday he was doing a lot of walking around and trying to conserve his energy. 2 times he put on massive chases to put pressure on that I saw. One was when he hand balled directly to oppo player then was like aw **** I better chase that, so becomes manic pressure forward for a play. Other time he was forward and he had stopped to a walk but the ball was still live and Collingwood player realised he was under no pressure so opted not to rush the behind, you can see him realise that its a terrible look as he was the closest to the contest, so he belatedly does another chase to put some pressure on. That was his last play before being made sub I think. Fastest he moved all day was after those 2 plays that he'd just know are going to come up in his match review. Very much seems to be choosing when to go/not go. Maybe carrying something, maybe just doesn't have the tickets to spend like he used to. WAFL beckons. Will be interesting to see if he can buck the trend of being dropped after copping the sub out.

Edit: To add to this. He and Owies last played together in the Saints game in which they were both injured. His 3 games since in which he's played without Owies is where you see a downturn. I definitely believe Cripps was playing with more desperation when we were carrying both of them and there was a question over who was going to be dropped, he started the season like a man possessed and seemed to have also put in a big preseason in order to lock down his spot. I also think that Owies was working just as hard but being the new guy nobody was looking to use him. New players take a while to earn the teams trust and Jamie was clearly the preferred option. But whats more interesting is probably that with both of them suddenly out of the side at the same time and then neither of them being there for a couple of weeks, it was a reset for the rest of the team. They had to look for alternative avenues and by the time Cripps is back much had changed and Kelly was up there and he's now increasingly the guy. Kelly is the new Cripps, Cripps is the new Owies.
 
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Alternate theory/defence: the more the new game plan has clicked the more he's being left out of the play.

Us plebs don't have access to this kind of data but if you were to go look through the matches from earlier in the year I suspect you'd find that he got a lot of his ball in the form of uncontested possessions where certain players would look for him in certain places and use him as that link up at half forward. Kick/mark type stuff.

Increasingly, we are moving the ball differently so he doesn't appear to be an avenue anymore. It wasn't always these guys but you might find that when Kelly played as a mid he'd look for Cripps, and Waterman and Allen would use him extensively too, could be that Gov and Hough did as well though that isn't really coming to mind. I would wager that a decent chunk of his possessions came from those Simmo style play guys. Now Kelly has moved into the same position and is a superior mark to Cripps so thats competition for the same ball, minus someone who was previously looking to use you. Then Waterman and Allen aren't out there anymore, Gone, Hough role change. The ball is moving by hand a lot more and he's not really a part of those chains. Maybe not even because he's captain fumbles, could also or ore likely be that players habitually look to work with those they have connection with and a whole bunch of new connections are being make among the new players. Consequence is he's now 30% less involved in the play. Just a theory. Trying to be kind for those who'll want to believe he's out there working as hard as ever and just in a bit of a for slump.

Add to this/or he's an old old boy carrying an injury and it's a long season. Doesn't really seem to be enjoying himself out there and isn't really working as hard for whatever reason, when he's always been a player who's output was linked to work rate. Watching him yesterday he was doing a lot of walking around and trying to conserve his energy. 2 times he put on massive chases to put pressure on that I saw. One was when he hand balled directly to oppo player then was like aw **** I better chase that, so becomes manic pressure forward for a play. Other time he was forward and he had stopped to a walk but the ball was still live and Collingwood player realised he was under no pressure so opted not to rush the behind, you can see him realise that its a terrible look as he was the closest to the contest, so he belatedly does another chase to put some pressure on. That was his last play before being made sub I think. Fastest he moved all day was after those 2 plays that he'd just know are going to come up in his match review. Very much seems to be choosing when to go/not go. Maybe carrying something, maybe just doesn't have the tickets to spend like he used to. WAFL beckons. Will be interesting to see if he can buck the trend of being dropped after copping the sub out.

Edit: To add to this. He and Owies last played together in the Saints game in which they were both injured. His 3 games since in which he's played without Owies is where you see a downturn. I definitely believe Cripps was playing with more desperation when we were carrying both of them and there was a question over who was going to be dropped, he started the season like a man possessed and seemed to have also put in a big preseason in order to lock down his spot. I also think that Owies was working just as hard but being the new guy nobody was looking to use him. New players take a while to earn the teams trust and Jamie was clearly the preferred option. But whats more interesting is probably that with both of them suddenly out of the side at the same time and then neither of them being there for a couple of weeks, it was a reset for the rest of the team. They had to look for alternative avenues and by the time Cripps is back much had changed and Kelly was up there and he's now increasingly the guy. Kelly is the new Cripps, Cripps is the new Owies.
Interesting take.
I’d be excited to see Champion debut if Cripps was dropped.
 
Alternate theory/defence: the more the new game plan has clicked the more he's being left out of the play.

Us plebs don't have access to this kind of data but if you were to go look through the matches from earlier in the year I suspect you'd find that he got a lot of his ball in the form of uncontested possessions where certain players would look for him in certain places and use him as that link up at half forward. Kick/mark type stuff.

Increasingly, we are moving the ball differently so he doesn't appear to be an avenue anymore. It wasn't always these guys but you might find that when Kelly played as a mid he'd look for Cripps, and Waterman and Allen would use him extensively too, could be that Gov and Hough did as well though that isn't really coming to mind. I would wager that a decent chunk of his possessions came from those Simmo style play guys. Now Kelly has moved into the same position and is a superior mark to Cripps so thats competition for the same ball, minus someone who was previously looking to use you. Then Waterman and Allen aren't out there anymore, Gone, Hough role change. The ball is moving by hand a lot more and he's not really a part of those chains. Maybe not even because he's captain fumbles, could also or ore likely be that players habitually look to work with those they have connection with and a whole bunch of new connections are being make among the new players. Consequence is he's now 30% less involved in the play. Just a theory. Trying to be kind for those who'll want to believe he's out there working as hard as ever and just in a bit of a for slump.

Add to this/or he's an old old boy carrying an injury and it's a long season. Doesn't really seem to be enjoying himself out there and isn't really working as hard for whatever reason, when he's always been a player who's output was linked to work rate. Watching him yesterday he was doing a lot of walking around and trying to conserve his energy. 2 times he put on massive chases to put pressure on that I saw. One was when he hand balled directly to oppo player then was like aw **** I better chase that, so becomes manic pressure forward for a play. Other time he was forward and he had stopped to a walk but the ball was still live and Collingwood player realised he was under no pressure so opted not to rush the behind, you can see him realise that its a terrible look as he was the closest to the contest, so he belatedly does another chase to put some pressure on. That was his last play before being made sub I think. Fastest he moved all day was after those 2 plays that he'd just know are going to come up in his match review. Very much seems to be choosing when to go/not go. Maybe carrying something, maybe just doesn't have the tickets to spend like he used to. WAFL beckons. Will be interesting to see if he can buck the trend of being dropped after copping the sub out.

Edit: To add to this. He and Owies last played together in the Saints game in which they were both injured. His 3 games since in which he's played without Owies is where you see a downturn. I definitely believe Cripps was playing with more desperation when we were carrying both of them and there was a question over who was going to be dropped, he started the season like a man possessed and seemed to have also put in a big preseason in order to lock down his spot. I also think that Owies was working just as hard but being the new guy nobody was looking to use him. New players take a while to earn the teams trust and Jamie was clearly the preferred option. But whats more interesting is probably that with both of them suddenly out of the side at the same time and then neither of them being there for a couple of weeks, it was a reset for the rest of the team. They had to look for alternative avenues and by the time Cripps is back much had changed and Kelly was up there and he's now increasingly the guy. Kelly is the new Cripps, Cripps is the new Owies.

Who are you going to write 1,500 word diatribes about if Cripps does retire?
 
Alternate theory/defence: the more the new game plan has clicked the more he's being left out of the play.

Us plebs don't have access to this kind of data but if you were to go look through the matches from earlier in the year I suspect you'd find that he got a lot of his ball in the form of uncontested possessions where certain players would look for him in certain places and use him as that link up at half forward. Kick/mark type stuff.

Increasingly, we are moving the ball differently so he doesn't appear to be an avenue anymore. It wasn't always these guys but you might find that when Kelly played as a mid he'd look for Cripps, and Waterman and Allen would use him extensively too, could be that Gov and Hough did as well though that isn't really coming to mind. I would wager that a decent chunk of his possessions came from those Simmo style play guys. Now Kelly has moved into the same position and is a superior mark to Cripps so thats competition for the same ball, minus someone who was previously looking to use you. Then Waterman and Allen aren't out there anymore, Gone, Hough role change. The ball is moving by hand a lot more and he's not really a part of those chains. Maybe not even because he's captain fumbles, could also or ore likely be that players habitually look to work with those they have connection with and a whole bunch of new connections are being make among the new players. Consequence is he's now 30% less involved in the play. Just a theory. Trying to be kind for those who'll want to believe he's out there working as hard as ever and just in a bit of a for slump.

Add to this/or he's an old old boy carrying an injury and it's a long season. Doesn't really seem to be enjoying himself out there and isn't really working as hard for whatever reason, when he's always been a player who's output was linked to work rate. Watching him yesterday he was doing a lot of walking around and trying to conserve his energy. 2 times he put on massive chases to put pressure on that I saw. One was when he hand balled directly to oppo player then was like aw **** I better chase that, so becomes manic pressure forward for a play. Other time he was forward and he had stopped to a walk but the ball was still live and Collingwood player realised he was under no pressure so opted not to rush the behind, you can see him realise that its a terrible look as he was the closest to the contest, so he belatedly does another chase to put some pressure on. That was his last play before being made sub I think. Fastest he moved all day was after those 2 plays that he'd just know are going to come up in his match review. Very much seems to be choosing when to go/not go. Maybe carrying something, maybe just doesn't have the tickets to spend like he used to. WAFL beckons. Will be interesting to see if he can buck the trend of being dropped after copping the sub out.

Edit: To add to this. He and Owies last played together in the Saints game in which they were both injured. His 3 games since in which he's played without Owies is where you see a downturn. I definitely believe Cripps was playing with more desperation when we were carrying both of them and there was a question over who was going to be dropped, he started the season like a man possessed and seemed to have also put in a big preseason in order to lock down his spot. I also think that Owies was working just as hard but being the new guy nobody was looking to use him. New players take a while to earn the teams trust and Jamie was clearly the preferred option. But whats more interesting is probably that with both of them suddenly out of the side at the same time and then neither of them being there for a couple of weeks, it was a reset for the rest of the team. They had to look for alternative avenues and by the time Cripps is back much had changed and Kelly was up there and he's now increasingly the guy. Kelly is the new Cripps, Cripps is the new Owies.
Interesting take.
I am in the camp of if someone takes his spot by performing better like Brockman/Long/Owies/Kelly for the rest of the year it will be hard to see Cripps get another contract.
On the other hand if he is taking a pay cut and playing WAFL and teaching kids how to play and drive standards and being called up when we need him, I am happy to have him around for a cheaper contract.
Both are useful when the beagles need standard setters.
 
Retire : Gov - Cripps - Sheed
Delist : Barnett - Perucelle - Jamieson
Trade : Allen (FA)
Alternate theory/defence: the more the new game plan has clicked the more he's being left out of the play.

Us plebs don't have access to this kind of data but if you were to go look through the matches from earlier in the year I suspect you'd find that he got a lot of his ball in the form of uncontested possessions where certain players would look for him in certain places and use him as that link up at half forward. Kick/mark type stuff.

Increasingly, we are moving the ball differently so he doesn't appear to be an avenue anymore. It wasn't always these guys but you might find that when Kelly played as a mid he'd look for Cripps, and Waterman and Allen would use him extensively too, could be that Gov and Hough did as well though that isn't really coming to mind. I would wager that a decent chunk of his possessions came from those Simmo style play guys. Now Kelly has moved into the same position and is a superior mark to Cripps so thats competition for the same ball, minus someone who was previously looking to use you. Then Waterman and Allen aren't out there anymore, Gone, Hough role change. The ball is moving by hand a lot more and he's not really a part of those chains. Maybe not even because he's captain fumbles, could also or ore likely be that players habitually look to work with those they have connection with and a whole bunch of new connections are being make among the new players. Consequence is he's now 30% less involved in the play. Just a theory. Trying to be kind for those who'll want to believe he's out there working as hard as ever and just in a bit of a for slump.

Add to this/or he's an old old boy carrying an injury and it's a long season. Doesn't really seem to be enjoying himself out there and isn't really working as hard for whatever reason, when he's always been a player who's output was linked to work rate. Watching him yesterday he was doing a lot of walking around and trying to conserve his energy. 2 times he put on massive chases to put pressure on that I saw. One was when he hand balled directly to oppo player then was like aw **** I better chase that, so becomes manic pressure forward for a play. Other time he was forward and he had stopped to a walk but the ball was still live and Collingwood player realised he was under no pressure so opted not to rush the behind, you can see him realise that its a terrible look as he was the closest to the contest, so he belatedly does another chase to put some pressure on. That was his last play before being made sub I think. Fastest he moved all day was after those 2 plays that he'd just know are going to come up in his match review. Very much seems to be choosing when to go/not go. Maybe carrying something, maybe just doesn't have the tickets to spend like he used to. WAFL beckons. Will be interesting to see if he can buck the trend of being dropped after copping the sub out.

Edit: To add to this. He and Owies last played together in the Saints game in which they were both injured. His 3 games since in which he's played without Owies is where you see a downturn. I definitely believe Cripps was playing with more desperation when we were carrying both of them and there was a question over who was going to be dropped, he started the season like a man possessed and seemed to have also put in a big preseason in order to lock down his spot. I also think that Owies was working just as hard but being the new guy nobody was looking to use him. New players take a while to earn the teams trust and Jamie was clearly the preferred option. But whats more interesting is probably that with both of them suddenly out of the side at the same time and then neither of them being there for a couple of weeks, it was a reset for the rest of the team. They had to look for alternative avenues and by the time Cripps is back much had changed and Kelly was up there and he's now increasingly the guy. Kelly is the new Cripps, Cripps is the new Owies.
Game has passed Cripps by. He now looks slow and misses tackles and goals. Retire.
McCarthy I would be offering a nice contract extension with extra Dollars.
Shanahan needs to be signed.
 
I am just not seeing much past 3 ND picks and 3 NGA/FS picks for our list.
Sharp/Lindsay and 1 of Cumming/Barker/Swadling/Grilj.

Don't know what happened to Rodriguez today, very unlike him, may be he is carrying something as very uncharacteristic.
Would rather use our 2nd round pick and Hawks 2nd to trade into 1st round next year or tap into 1 of our trade target's with 1 of them.
Just a bit light on for quality in this years draft.
Next years mids seem much deeper with players like A Butler/L Hicks/A Van Dyke/G Gale and our NGA/FS prospects x 5.
 

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I am just not seeing much past 3 ND picks and 3 NGA/FS picks for our list.
Sharp/Lindsay and 1 of Cumming/Barker/Swadling/Grilj.

Don't know what happened to Rodriguez today, very unlike him, may be he is carrying something as very uncharacteristic.
Would rather use our 2nd round pick and Hawks 2nd to trade into 1st round next year or tap into 1 of our trade target's with 1 of them.
Just a bit light on for quality in this years draft.
Next years mids seem much deeper with players like A Butler/L Hicks/A Van Dyke/G Gale and our NGA/FS prospects x 5.
Has that guy posted a collage of Duursma yet? I want to check how his kicking was today. It's amazing how a guy can get to #1 favourite and be a poor kick.
 
Things have gone really well this year. Which sounds strange to say when you have only won one game. But we have got the number 1 pick (which we need) and at the same time we have significantly progressed. The 100 point beltings that were so routine under the Simpson circus have largely gone and we are showing improvement generally and particularly in the young players.
 

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Things have gone really well this year. Which sounds strange to say when you have only won one game. But we have got the number 1 pick (which we need) and at the same time we have significantly progressed. The 100 point beltings that were so routine under the Simpson circus have largely gone and we are showing improvement generally and particularly in the young players.

I agree with this. We've lost a fair number of games against some of the best teams in it just through some pretty easily fixed things or dumb luck. It doesn't actually feel like not winning games is getting the group down at all, they seem fairly indifferent to the outcomes and excited to just be playing a new brand and starting to see things working. Finishing last is great luck, especially if we get pick 2. Had we not lost Waterman, Yeo, Gov and Allen I genuinely think we might have been mid table this year. And there is still an outside chance we get on a mini roll and finish above Richmond which does't really hurt us either, we'll be sharing the top 4 picks between us and there doesn't seem to be any real difference between the pick one candidates so far. If we take pick 1 and 2 and something crazy like Patrick Cripps comes home, then we get 22 games out of Yeo and Waterman next year we are quite a chance of playing finals and will have made out like bandits for finishing this low one last time.
 
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Could definitely do worse than Erasmus if he came cheap.

Not the quickest and probably not the most damaging but we need a guy you can pencil in for 20-25 touches a game and he looks like he could be that guy.

We’re actually lacking someone who can stat pad a bit because we don’t retain possession enough
 
Like if you think about it for most sides losing this much for this long would absolutely destroy a group almost for life, like what happened to Melbourne during the Jack Watts era. But somehow you look at this side and there would be very few players who would be feeling the impact of this at all. Outside of Duggan and Cripps I can't think of anyone in this side who this would be weighting on at all. Harry Edwards, Tim Kelly and Bradley Hough would be next in line after those guys who should be feeling it, and clearly Kelly and Hough weren't enjoying their footy and expressed as much, but they have been given new roles and they both seem happy with that. Harry Edwards is suddenly the main man of our defence and is suddenly putting in career best performances every week. Jack Graham and Liam Baker are fresh to it, and focussed on leadership. Waterman and Yeo would be hating life but they are out for the season. Allen suffering most of all but he's been put out of his misery as well. Tom Cole playing for his career, no time to dwell on ladder position. Bailey Williams, new role. Matt Flynn, first time he's played a full season in 100 years. Reuben, another distraction, moved to defence. Every other Kent, brand new to the club and/or getting their first taste of the big leagues. It's pretty incredible really, like fate has put a 23 together who have near perfect immunity to the gravity of this situation. Harley might be the outlier who could be forgiven for thinking greener pastures, but he seems happy enough. Could well see a repeat of the 2010/2011 seasons where we go from spoon to finals. Just need to draft a Jack Darling, someone who comes in and plays 22 games in their first season and transforms a line.
 
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