List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[eaglevision]

The shape of this draft is very similar to 2023, just without the stand out #1 pick. The top 10 or so will be very good players, but then it falls away and draft boards would look very different for the remainder of the 1R.

 

[hbk2015]

Yeah I think Dev for free might be the best option, I dont think Sheldrick will come cheap... Also Zane dursma basically unsighted all night

 

[plays tall 1]

Louis Emmett and Taj Murray, both mid-late 1Rs.

Hopefully these 2 can put on a few cms this year to give themselves a better chance of taking on the bigger guys at the top level.

 

[ziad]

Yeah I think Dev for free might be the best option, I dont think Sheldrick will come cheap... Also Zane dursma basically unsighted all night

Dursma wasn't unsighted because I was specifically watching for him, which makes his performance worse. Just a player, but ,eh.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Durham wasn't unsighted because I was specifically watching for him, which makes his performance worse. Just a player, but ,eh.

If Durham wasn’t unsighted you have a bigger problem, because he doesn’t play until Saturday.

 

[Hook461123]

I think this is a bit optimistic.

Brisbane swapped pick 20 for picks 32, 42, 43, 45 last year. In 2025 points that's 757 out for 941 in.

Picks in the 30s and 40s are a dime a dozen. Collingwood's position should be that they can easily accumulate all the points they need without needing to trade Darcy Cameron, so in order to agree to the trade there needs to be something they can't easily get - i.e. one of our first round picks.

Think they've changed the points values for this year. Can't just match a bid with all picks in the 40's. Specifically the 30 to 45 picks aren't worth as much any more

 

[BSD]

IMO Archer Reid but its 3 to 4 years away at the very least. Id like to take the same approach with Archer Reid that St Kilda did with Rowan Marshall

Cameron as 1st ruck, Reid as 2nd ruck for a few years and then by 24 years old Archer Reid is 1st ruck. It feels the way to go nowadays

There is another option. If TDK goes to The Saints we should go really really hard at Rowan Marshall, i doubt he wants to be second ruck to TDK. I'm sure we could fit both him and Harley into our salary cap.
An injury prone Sean Darcy would be worth a look at if we could get The Dockers pick up a large slice of his salary.

 

[kane249]

If Durham wasn’t unsighted you have a bigger problem, because he doesn’t play until Saturday.

He was playing a lock down role on Subi Boy

 

[Scotland]

Think they've changed the points values for this year. Can just match a bid with all picks in the 40's. Specifically the 30 to 45 picks aren't worth as much any more

The numbers I posted are 2025 values. Last year it was actually 912 for 1704, 757 out for 941 is what it would be in this year's index.

On current ladder positions we have 1, 13, 19, 31, 49, which other than pick 1 will obviously all get pushed back. What will we offer Collingwood that is enough to convince them to let Cameron go?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

If Durham wasn’t unsighted you have a bigger problem, because he doesn’t play until Saturday.

Durham played better than Duursma last night.

 

[Hook461123]

The numbers I posted are 2025 values. Last year it was actually 912 for 1704, 757 out for 941 is what it would be in this year's index.

On current ladder positions we have 1, 13, 19, 31, 49, which other than pick 1 will obviously all get pushed back. What will we offer Collingwood that is enough to convince them to let Cameron go?

Fair enough. You were talking about the Lions trade last year so assumed you were using last year's points.

Personally, I think 19 & 32 for Cameron isn't too far off. We still get 3 first rounders then wait for our NGA's/FS and hope they don't get bid on too early.

 

[Scotland]

Fair enough. You were talking about the Lions trade last year so assumed you were using last year's points.

Personally, I think 19 & 32 for Cameron isn't too far off. We still get 3 first rounders then wait for our NGA's/FS and hope they don't get bid on too early.

All good.

Based on last year's draft order, picks 19 and 32 were actually 28 and I think 38 (hard to follow exactly with pick trades and bids).

If I'm Collingwood I'm not accepting that, especially when I didn't use a first in 2024 and don't have one in 2025.

 

[mattyc75]

Louis Emmett and Taj Murray, both mid-late 1Rs.

How do you think they stack up against CDT?

 

[Hook461123]

All good.

Based on last year's draft order, picks 19 and 32 were actually 28 and I think 38 (hard to follow exactly with pick trades and bids).

If I'm Collingwood I'm not accepting that, especially when I didn't use a first in 2024 and don't have one in 2025.

Then we don't trade for him, and they get nothing for him next year. He was delisted once before, wasn't he? So, he's an unrestricted free agent at the end of next year.
They keep a disgruntled Cameron who feels undervalued while we move on and try to use our second rounders for a different player.

If they don't want to pay him the big $ then they can't demand a first-round pick for him. 2 x 2nds (including the first on night 2) is a pretty good deal for a 30-year-old they got cheap and don't want to pay the $ and contract for.

 

[Scotland]

100% on board with not trading for Cameron.

 

[suntagonal]

Am I right in thinking that some of the initial 4th round draft picks will also accrue small points value once Northern Academy/NGA/FS picks are paid for? Eg., say out 4th round or 55 at the moment is worth 0 points but once junk picks are used to pay for players (e.g., 10 picks in the 30s or something) our 55 comes into 45 (not taking into account free agency and priority picks)?

 

[JackOutback]

If Durham wasn’t unsighted you have a bigger problem, because he doesn’t play until Saturday.

The information was bull Durham?

 

[stylish]

So with all the conjecture on 'is Sharp or Duursma or Lindsay or CDT or....." pick 1 and/or 2 quality - Im guessing we're all OK with splitting picks this year. Would #2 net us say #5 & #10.

Get 3 players inside top 10 & still have Hawks 1st rounder to use on prising a player loose.

 

[eaglevision]

How do you think they stack up against CDT?

I’d much rather take Emmett or Murray with a late 1R/our 2R than take CDT with a top 3 pick. If we hold our 2R we’re likely to be able to select one of them or Curtin who is doing himself no favours.

All three rucks are undersized for the modern game and if that hasn’t changed come November all three are likely to slide from where they are currently being projected but having said that all three have also shown serious game as KPPs.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Yeah I think Dev for free might be the best option, I dont think Sheldrick will come cheap... Also Zane dursma basically unsighted all night

Yeah. You have to be careful giving up too much for players who were not good enough to crack best 22 or 25 at other clubs. There are success stories, but there are a lot of failures in these types of trades. The odds probably say you are more likely to fail in developing a long term player than succeed. You need to be hard nosed and not give up too much to start with and also have a clear idea in your head why you think the player will perform or develop better at your club than they did at their previous club.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Struth I thought the Cameron talk had been put to bed already.

We're back to where we were 2 weeks ago I see.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

So with all the conjecture on 'is Sharp or Duursma or Lindsay or CDT or....." pick 1 and/or 2 quality - Im guessing we're all OK with splitting picks this year. Would #2 net us say #5 & #10.

Get 3 players inside top 10 & still have Hawks 1st rounder to use on prising a player loose.

Not really.

It's not like we're going "we don't know if Sharp or Rodriguez is number 1". We know that Sharp and Duursma are at the pointy end. We just don't know if they're any good. Those other guys are a level below. Furthermore, if you slide back, you're sliding into a territory where they will be more spuds.

Let's say we take 5 and 10......

Let's say the draft ends up something like this:

Sharp
Duursma
Greeves
CDT
Schubert
Lindsay
Rodriguez
Grlj
Hibbins-Hargreaves
Cumming
Barker
Ludowyke

If we take#2 to the draft, we get Duursma, CDT, Lindsay, or Rodriguez.

Lets say we swap for #5 and #10.

We might get one of Lindsay or Rodriguez. Might. Then at 10, you have to choose out of 4 or 5 options, and there's a good chance there's 1 gun, 1 okay, and 3 spuds. Which one do you choose?

But, if you get Lindsay or Fred at 5 anyway, 10 is for free, right?

Maybe.

The club will have a list with breaks. They'll roughly know which players each club is taking. If a deal can be done and they're still going to get their man, they'll do a deal. Otherwise, they won't.

I don't think they're sitting there (like we are) and going, "well a player out of this pool, and a player out of that pool, is better than only one player out of the top pool".

They'll know who they want. If they can do a deal and still get him, they'll do it.

I think this draft gets dicey really early. I think a club would have to offer a real early pick for us to bite (i.e. #5 like you mentioned).

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Struth I thought the Cameron talk had been put to bed already.

We're back to where we were 2 weeks ago I see.

You got to wonder why he hasn't signed.

 

[WCE777]

geez I know fox footy commentators always puts heaps of mayo on everything, but 1/4 time break saying Cameron deal at Collingwood is a VERY long way away from acceptable and Cameron terms they have offered and negotiations have turned nasty!
interesting

 

[stylish]

Not really.

It's not like we're going "we don't know if Sharp or Rodriguez is number 1". We know that Sharp and Duursma are at the pointy end. We just don't know if they're any good. Those other guys are a level below. Furthermore, if you slide back, you're sliding into a territory where they will be more spuds.

Let's say we take 5 and 10......

Let's say the draft ends up something like this:

Sharp
Duursma
Greeves
CDT
Schubert
Lindsay
Rodriguez
Grlj
Hibbins-Hargreaves
Cumming
Barker
Ludowyke

If we take#2 to the draft, we get Duursma, CDT, Lindsay, or Rodriguez.

Lets say we swap for #5 and #10.

We might get one of Lindsay or Rodriguez. Might. Then at 10, you have to choose out of 4 or 5 options, and there's a good chance there's 1 gun, 1 okay, and 3 spuds. Which one do you choose?

But, if you get Lindsay or Fred at 5 anyway, 10 is for free, right?

Maybe.

The club will have a list with breaks. They'll roughly know which players each club is taking. If a deal can be done and they're still going to get their man, they'll do a deal. Otherwise, they won't.

I don't think they're sitting there (like we are) and going, "well a player out of this pool, and a player out of that pool, is better than only one player out of the top pool".

They'll know who they want. If they can do a deal and still get him, they'll do it.

I think this draft gets dicey really early. I think a club would have to offer a real early pick for us to bite (i.e. #5 like you mentioned).

Will be interesting to see how they all measure at the camp. Unlike previous years where there seems to be clear groupings - it doesnt seem as apparent at this point. Maybe that will change.