List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Bestbird]

In the above article Greg didn’t say he didn’t believe in Priority picks, just that some clubs had done it without priority picks.

I'd be okay with not getting priority picks or any assistance if the league makes a decision to never again hand out said assistance again. They can use WC's "1 win" season as the reason moving forward. Anything short of that guarantee, the club will ask and receive assistance.

Under normal circumstances in the past fine with no assistance but under the highly current comprised drafts where the 2 round draft picks start in the 30's it makes it hard to rebuild

The bottom teams pick goes from 19 to around 30 whilst the tops teams pick is going from 37 to mid 40's in recent times

 

[WCE777]

If we were afforded easier access and/or more list spots for our NGAs I could see pick 2 (that should be coming to us if all goes to plan) used to trade in a top quality mid, just need to turn the right ones head with a very big paycheck.

who is worth pick 2 in your opinion if you could land a big fish mid?
they would need to be 23-25yo good for 5+ years

 

[squashface]

Haha. No. The pick wasn't in 2019, it was pick 19 in 2016. They traded it to Port for their f1, which was pick 12, which they traded to Adelaide for Charlie Cameron. Would love that level of assistance.

Ah right you are. I saw Priority next to Roberton's name on the 2019 Draft wiki but didn't continue reading to see it was originally Gold Coast's pick.

My point is still the same though. As you say it enabled them to get Charlie Cameron who was fairly important to their rebuild.

 

[pantskyle]

who is worth pick 2 in your opinion if you could land a big fish mid?
they would need to be 23-25yo good for 5+ years

Haven't given it any thought.

 

[WCE777]

Haven't given it any thought.

I wouldn't give pick 2 for these but wiling to trade in someone like S Walsh or T Powell to help our midfield, both OOC 2026.
Walsh rough thinking would maybe worth Hawks 1st.
Powell maybe our 2nd round pick or F2nd?

 

[Elite Pete]

In the above article Greg didn’t say he didn’t believe in Priority picks, just that some clubs had done it without priority picks.

I'd be okay with not getting priority picks or any assistance if the league makes a decision to never again hand out said assistance. They can use WC's "1 win" season as the reason moving forward. Anything short of that guarantee, the club will ask and receive assistance.

Clubs have done it with out PP but some have had other assistance which is the equivalent of PP.


Didnt Lions get PP in 2016 which they turned into Charlie Cameron. (Swann was at Brissy?)

Crows had a ‘Father Son’ go at pick 17 in the draft they traded out of for Rankine. The pick that would’ve go chewed up for MM bid got moved back until the year after which helped them move into pick 8 for Curtin I believe.

Eagles haven’t been lucky enough to get any of these NGAs or FS to be able to rort the system which allows teams to gain extra top end picks while also matching high end talent.

 

[Elite Pete]

Haha. No. The pick wasn't in 2019, it was pick 19 in 2016. They traded it to Port for their f1, which was pick 12, which they traded to Adelaide for Charlie Cameron. Would love that level of assistance.

Yeah and he was in charge at the Lions. Not a great start for Swann day 1

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Quite a convenient year for all the vfl reporters to suddenly consider the draft compromised and not just complex.

 

[RookiePick]

Slot Elijah Hewett or Reid into Adelaide and they look like stars Curtin is massively benefited from those around him abeet he is a genuine gun player

?

 

[RanaNaved]

Greg Swann didn't really say anything about WC not getting a PP, nor say anything about Brisbane re-building without one. Andrew Dillon was the idiot who used Swann and Brisbane as an example

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I'd trade Ryan if his agent finds him a spot. Bring in another late first round pick if that's all there is. We have to clear cap space to throw some big money around for decent midfielders.

I find it hard to believe any club would be willing to pay a first round pick for Liam Ryan.

 

[sharps24]

Absolutely agree about my boy Bailey.

Fixed up his set shots this year which is massive. Also (and there's not really stats for this) always manages to provide a bit of chaos and presence after the hitout - my biggest issue with Flynn is that he's a non entity for the first few seconds after the tap. Sure he gets a few handballs if it comes back his way after bouncing around for a bit but if you're not winning the taps, you need to be able to immediately impact at ground level especially with our midfield being poor at stopping the oppos spread.

Darcy Cameron is fine but, like with most non-S-tier rucks, only really came on at 28 onwards. At 26 (a year older than Bailey) his hitout win % was 34.7%, significantly lower than Bailey's is atm - and regarding how others have mentioned it's easier to win them as a backup ruck, he was backing up Grundy at that stage. Given he was a mature age pickup and wasn't leading their ruck division at 21 like Bailey has, he didn't have that patch of his career where fans were calling him a spud - stats and age wise the comparison looks good for Bailey.

Just think it'd be silly to knock Bailey off our list right before the age rucks actually start to compete most effectively. I actually genuinely think, sponsor bias aside, that at 28,29, when our list is actually contending, he'd be a decent #1 ruck like Cameron is now, and even if not is so durable that he'd be worth keeping on the list as our best backup over Flynn.

Obviously would be nice for the sugar hit now but if say we get some priority picks that we have to trade, I'd rather throw an amount of cash that's hard to refuse at a Ned Moyle type, actually make a play for someone who could be elite, rather than just getting a few years out of Cameron.

I agree that when we are contending he should be our #1 ruck with Archer the 2nd and that its unnecessary to get Cameron given we've got 1 more year of Flynn as backup and aren't exactly going to be playing finals next year. However if we get Cameron then Bailey playing 1 more year as a 2nd ruck is fine.

Its strange looking through the ruck rankings last night that in his first and second year he was also winning 40+% of hitouts and in one of those early years when we still had the premiership midfield finished the year 1 spot above Nic for hitouts to advantage. Also Nathan Vardy's numbers looked epic as well and was better than both of them. It was always Shuey [and I guess Redden] who actually had the nous to take advantage of Nic getting first hands to it. Yeo and Kelly just don't seem to be able to read taps, and nor can Jack Graham. Bailey's 2 years as the first ruck he had no-one to hit to and everyone piled on saying he was the worse hitout to advantage ruck in the league [and he was] but when he was younger than that he was excellent at it, and now that McWalter has figured out that Kelly offers nothing in CBA's and Graham wasn't much chop either and has trusted actual midfielders like Harley, Hewey and Hall with cameos from Ryan and Brokman our centre clearance game has gone back up and Bailey is suddenly finding the mids again.

I would hope that in his prime in 2-3 years time he's still got the leap, plus the experience, plus the synergy with his mids, and that could be a serious weapon for us because as it stands he can beat 90% of the 1st rucks in the comp with his leap. Very few sides actually have a player who can do the Naitanui to Shuey thing but Williams to Reid/Sharp/Hewett/Hall/Gross could be almost as glorious, right when we want it to be. Just stay the course people. In the meantime he's currently a goal a game 2nd ruck.

 

[sharps24]

I agree with all that you mention except I am happy to keep JW until his contract expires next year. By then we will know how good he can be. We need depth. If Shanahan keeps developing he will probably go past him but we will still need a depth KPF option. Whether that is JW or Livingstone. We can decide next year if we only need 1 of JW and Livingstone. A Reid will continue to develop as a ruck/fwd with him being our ruck in a few years when he has developed.

I am happy to pay our 2nd round pick for Cameron, fair value since he is in contract.

Fair but how about this: We trade JW to get Cameron an take CodyCurtin with the Hawks f1 or as a slider with our F2. He doesn't really seem to have come on this year but a similar player to Jack Williams. Plus it's a carrot dangling there for Daniel Curtin to come home and play with his brother in 2029.

 

[eaglevision]

Fair but how about this: We trade JW to get Cameron a take Daniel Curtin with the Hawks f1 or as a slider with our F2. He doesn't really seem to have come on this year but a similar player to Jack Williams. Plus it's a carrot dangling there for Daniel Curtin to come home and play with his brother in 2029.

I love the idea of taking Daniel Curtin twice.

How does it work?

 

[Tugga27]

Fair but how about this: We trade JW to get Cameron an take Daniel Curtin with the Hawks f1 or as a slider with our F2. He doesn't really seem to have come on this year but a similar player to Jack Williams. Plus it's a carrot dangling there for Daniel Curtin to come home and play with his brother in 2029.

Seriously?

 

[GingerDocker]

I love the idea of taking Daniel Curtin twice.

How does it work?

Surely, it would be Curtins if you did.

 

[sharps24]

I love the idea of taking Daniel Curtin twice.

How does it work?

It was a typo bro. But if we can get 2 Dan Curtin's who says no.

 

[eaglevision]

It was a typo bro. But if we can get 2 Dan Curtin's who says no.

I suppose “Dan” is pretty close to “Cody” on the keyboard. In any event, the Crows wouldn’t accept pick 1 for Dan Curtin this year and I think Cody is an early 2R pick. I love the romanticism but I think Dan will be a Crow for life. It’s more likely Crows go early and take Cody with their 1R and pair them there.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Clubs have done it with out PP but some have had other assistance which is the equivalent of PP.


Didnt Lions get PP in 2016 which they turned into Charlie Cameron. (Swann was at Brissy?)

Crows had a ‘Father Son’ go at pick 17 in the draft they traded out of for Rankine. The pick that would’ve go chewed up for MM bid got moved back until the year after which helped them move into pick 8 for Curtin I believe.

Eagles haven’t been lucky enough to get any of these NGAs or FS to be able to rort the system which allows teams to gain extra top end picks while also matching high end talent.

It took Adelaide 8 years to rebuild....

The fact they are used as the barometer of success is wild

 

[sharps24]

I suppose “Dan” is pretty close to “Cody” on the keyboard. In any event, the Crows wouldn’t accept pick 1 for Dan Curtin this year and I think Cody is an early 2R pick. I love the romanticism but I think Dan will be a Crow for life. It’s more likely Crows go early and take Cody with their 1R and pair them there.

Look I'm not really interested in Daniel Curtin and suspect he'll stay at Adelaide as well, was just joining in on the speculation of what the Crows would want. Agree that Cody would go around our 2nd, lot of water to go under the bridge though. Depending on how the trade period shakes out for us [possibly we clear out some talls] I don't mind him at that pick or at the Hawks pick if he rises back up the order some. Good theatre having him here if Dan becomes some kind of super star.

 

[ziad]

Greg Swann didn't really say anything about WC not getting a PP, nor say anything about Brisbane re-building without one. Andrew Dillon was the idiot who used Swann and Brisbane as an example

Well he is a quality idiot

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

It is such an obvious question to ask any of the Victorian flogs wanting changes to the draft, compo picks or priority picks to justify why they are concerned about all of this now? Why does it need to be changed and changed right now but they were totally fine with all of it right up until now? Ask them directly - aren't you just saying this now because you don't like West Coast and don't want them getting the benefit of any of this? But nobody does. They are allowed to go on air or write articles and push talking points that have huge gaping holes in them in terms of logic and consistency.

 

[Sizzlepack]

I suppose “Dan” is pretty close to “Cody” on the keyboard. In any event, the Crows wouldn’t accept pick 1 for Dan Curtin this year and I think Cody is an early 2R pick. I love the romanticism but I think Dan will be a Crow for life. It’s more likely Crows go early and take Cody with their 1R and pair them there.

Sorry for the intrusion folks, I quite enjoy browsing this thread and noticed the Curtin chat. This post gets at something: Adelaide wouldn't trade him for Pick 1 this year. I'm genuinely not sure they'd trade him for anything less than 2x top 5 picks (and, given what people are saying about this year's draft, they probably wouldn't do that deal), given the way he's broken out. Perhaps if a WA club drafts his younger brother Cody, Dan could eventually be lured back, but by all reports he's very happy atm.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It is such an obvious question to ask any of the Victorian flogs wanting changes to the draft, compo picks or priority picks to justify why they are concerned about all of this now? Why does it need to be changed and changed right now but they were totally fine with all of it right up until now? Ask them directly - aren't you just saying this now because you don't like West Coast and don't want them getting the benefit of any of this? But nobody does. They are allowed to go on air or write articles and push talking points that have huge gaping holes in them in terms of logic and consistency.

Who do you propose asks these questions?

I’m not disagreeing with any of them, but where in the process of a journo going on air or penning an article do you think someone gets the opportunity to push back?

 

[RanaNaved]

random260, we need you campaigning for a PP damnit