List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Spooky17]

Duursma and Patterson at 1 and 2 is the dream. The latter especially is an absolute jet.

 

[JamesTurd]

James Hird was on trade radio this morning explaining Bombers will have 4 x top 10 picks courtesy Draper FA and Merrett trade, and with already a very young list, are well on their way to rebuilding.

I know people are having a laugh at what I said, but let me explain it properly.


If Sam Draper leaves through free agency, there’s a strong likelihood Essendon gets a first-round compensation pick — and given where we sit, that’s potentially in the top 10. If Zach Merrett decides to explore a move, the return for a captain, All-Australian, and still in his prime would absolutely be another top-end pick. Combine that with the picks the club already has banked, and yes, it’s very realistic Essendon is holding 3 or 4 selections in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.


Now, layer that onto the fact this list is already one of the youngest in the competition. Hobbs, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Reid — the core is there. Four more elite juniors coming in fast-tracked around them, and you’ve got the makings of a list that can challenge within a few years.


Contrast that with West Coast. They’re getting priority pick discussions despite being the wealthiest club in the AFL. They’re not maximising their soft cap, they’ve had every advantage, and yet we’re talking about bailing them out. That’s the difference. Essendon’s rebuild is being driven by smart list management and tough decisions. West Coast’s is being propped up by AFL handouts.


You can call it delusional if you want, but it’s grounded in logic. And in the long run, Essendon’s position will be far stronger for it.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

I know people are having a laugh at what I said, but let me explain it properly.


If Sam Draper leaves through free agency, there’s a strong likelihood Essendon gets a first-round compensation pick — and given where we sit, that’s potentially in the top 10. If Zach Merrett decides to explore a move, the return for a captain, All-Australian, and still in his prime would absolutely be another top-end pick. Combine that with the picks the club already has banked, and yes, it’s very realistic Essendon is holding 3 or 4 selections in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.


Now, layer that onto the fact this list is already one of the youngest in the competition. Hobbs, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Reid — the core is there. Four more elite juniors coming in fast-tracked around them, and you’ve got the makings of a list that can challenge within a few years.


Contrast that with West Coast. They’re getting priority pick discussions despite being the wealthiest club in the AFL. They’re not maximising their soft cap, they’ve had every advantage, and yet we’re talking about bailing them out. That’s the difference. Essendon’s rebuild is being driven by smart list management and tough decisions. West Coast’s is being propped up by AFL handouts.


You can call it delusional if you want, but it’s grounded in logic. And in the long run, Essendon’s position will be far stronger for it.

 

[TerryFilk]

they’ve come out and said Yeo will playing HB dude, you’re a month behind the times

They can say that all they like, he’s not a better half back anymore than all the other guys I named. There’s a reason he was moved back into the middle after originally going back to HB when he finally returned from injuries the first time.

 

[bzparkes]

I know people are having a laugh at what I said, but let me explain it properly.


If Sam Draper leaves through free agency, there’s a strong likelihood Essendon gets a first-round compensation pick — and given where we sit, that’s potentially in the top 10. If Zach Merrett decides to explore a move, the return for a captain, All-Australian, and still in his prime would absolutely be another top-end pick. Combine that with the picks the club already has banked, and yes, it’s very realistic Essendon is holding 3 or 4 selections in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.


Now, layer that onto the fact this list is already one of the youngest in the competition. Hobbs, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Reid — the core is there. Four more elite juniors coming in fast-tracked around them, and you’ve got the makings of a list that can challenge within a few years.


Contrast that with West Coast. They’re getting priority pick discussions despite being the wealthiest club in the AFL. They’re not maximising their soft cap, they’ve had every advantage, and yet we’re talking about bailing them out. That’s the difference. Essendon’s rebuild is being driven by smart list management and tough decisions. West Coast’s is being propped up by AFL handouts.


You can call it delusional if you want, but it’s grounded in logic. And in the long run, Essendon’s position will be far stronger for it.

Whoever of you WCE posters is running this account(I presume this is the new iteration of Schofields_Lanyard), if you're trying to appear serious you need to drop the names Hobbs, Perkins and Tsatas and go for more unproven talent instead of complete shit trucks.

Unless you're trying to let us know it's a joke, of course.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I know people are having a laugh at what I said, but let me explain it properly.


If Sam Draper leaves through free agency, there’s a strong likelihood Essendon gets a first-round compensation pick — and given where we sit, that’s potentially in the top 10. If Zach Merrett decides to explore a move, the return for a captain, All-Australian, and still in his prime would absolutely be another top-end pick. Combine that with the picks the club already has banked, and yes, it’s very realistic Essendon is holding 3 or 4 selections in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.


Now, layer that onto the fact this list is already one of the youngest in the competition. Hobbs, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Reid — the core is there. Four more elite juniors coming in fast-tracked around them, and you’ve got the makings of a list that can challenge within a few years.


Contrast that with West Coast. They’re getting priority pick discussions despite being the wealthiest club in the AFL. They’re not maximising their soft cap, they’ve had every advantage, and yet we’re talking about bailing them out. That’s the difference. Essendon’s rebuild is being driven by smart list management and tough decisions. West Coast’s is being propped up by AFL handouts.


You can call it delusional if you want, but it’s grounded in logic. And in the long run, Essendon’s position will be far stronger for it.

It's delusion, bro

 

[WCEswift]

I put on my mitch cleary hat again Harley follows only jack steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

from saints from what ive seen

 

[Coasters7]

Duursma and Patterson at 1 and 2 is the dream. The latter especially is an absolute jet.

Should be bidding on all 3 anyway. Partly to make the clubs pay up, but mostly because we should want all 3 on our list anyway.

If we want Duursma to have the prestige of pick 1 then so be it. But the 3 academy boys have to be bid on at 2.

 

[dinnaz]

And Peter Hudson used to kick 150.

Not sure what point you're trying to make but nonetheless you failed.

Waterman is fine, yes but is like Cummings in 1999, Fev in 2006, hell even Elliot 2025.
The only decent fwd in a team becomes the focal point. Generally that's not healthy.

 

[Schofields_Lanyard]

Whoever of you WCE posters is running this account(I presume this is the new iteration of Schofields_Lanyard), if you're trying to appear serious you need to drop the names Hobbs, Perkins and Tsatas and go for more unproven talent instead of complete shit trucks.

Unless you're trying to let us know it's a joke, of course.

Oh please, my jokes about how Jarrod wears me like a Miss Universe sash are far more witty than anything Dark Sharks JamesTurd has and will ever come up with.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

After boxing themselves in by telling Merrett he wasn't welcomed at the club anymore it has dawned on Essendon that they are going to get low balled on the return for him just as the Bulldogs were low balled by Geelong and only got pick 17. So now they are trying to row back and tell Merrett how loved he is at the club. What morons.

 

[Altum Volantes]

After boxing themselves in by telling Merrett he wasn't welcomed at the club anymore it has dawned on Essendon that they are going to get low balled on the return for him just as the Bulldogs were low balled by Geelong and only got pick 17. So now they are trying to row back and tell Merrett how loved he is at the club. What morons.

Remember when they sacked Ben Rutten and went all out to get Clarkson and then....didn't and hired Brad Scott instead?

Good times.

 

[Shoei]

I know people are having a laugh at what I said, but let me explain it properly.


If Sam Draper leaves through free agency, there’s a strong likelihood Essendon gets a first-round compensation pick — and given where we sit, that’s potentially in the top 10. If Zach Merrett decides to explore a move, the return for a captain, All-Australian, and still in his prime would absolutely be another top-end pick. Combine that with the picks the club already has banked, and yes, it’s very realistic Essendon is holding 3 or 4 selections in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.


Now, layer that onto the fact this list is already one of the youngest in the competition. Hobbs, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Reid — the core is there. Four more elite juniors coming in fast-tracked around them, and you’ve got the makings of a list that can challenge within a few years.


Contrast that with West Coast. They’re getting priority pick discussions despite being the wealthiest club in the AFL. They’re not maximising their soft cap, they’ve had every advantage, and yet we’re talking about bailing them out. That’s the difference. Essendon’s rebuild is being driven by smart list management and tough decisions. West Coast’s is being propped up by AFL handouts.


You can call it delusional if you want, but it’s grounded in logic. And in the long run, Essendon’s position will be far stronger for it.

Cool....

Lets go back and look at Essendon's last 20 years of "smart list management and tough decisions" that have led to such a strong position going forward.

Also rich coming from a support of a club whose drafting history comprises of "ASADA Suspension Compensation Top-Up Picks", AFL bailouts to save a club found guilty of cheating from oblivion. Talk about being propped up.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I know people are having a laugh at what I said, but let me explain it properly.


If Sam Draper leaves through free agency, there’s a strong likelihood Essendon gets a first-round compensation pick — and given where we sit, that’s potentially in the top 10. If Zach Merrett decides to explore a move, the return for a captain, All-Australian, and still in his prime would absolutely be another top-end pick. Combine that with the picks the club already has banked, and yes, it’s very realistic Essendon is holding 3 or 4 selections in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.


Now, layer that onto the fact this list is already one of the youngest in the competition. Hobbs, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Reid — the core is there. Four more elite juniors coming in fast-tracked around them, and you’ve got the makings of a list that can challenge within a few years.


Contrast that with West Coast. They’re getting priority pick discussions despite being the wealthiest club in the AFL. They’re not maximising their soft cap, they’ve had every advantage, and yet we’re talking about bailing them out. That’s the difference. Essendon’s rebuild is being driven by smart list management and tough decisions. West Coast’s is being propped up by AFL handouts.


You can call it delusional if you want, but it’s grounded in logic. And in the long run, Essendon’s position will be far stronger for it.

Any core that contains Hobbs, Cox, and Tsatas is a long ways away from “I’m going to venture onto an oppo board and beat my chest” territory.

Bye now.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Any core that contains Hobbs, Cox, and Tsatas is a long ways away from “I’m going to venture onto an oppo board and beat my chest” territory.

Psssst

Do you think it might be a gag account?

 

[dinnaz]

I know people are having a laugh at what I said, but let me explain it properly.


If Sam Draper leaves through free agency, there’s a strong likelihood Essendon gets a first-round compensation pick — and given where we sit, that’s potentially in the top 10. If Zach Merrett decides to explore a move, the return for a captain, All-Australian, and still in his prime would absolutely be another top-end pick. Combine that with the picks the club already has banked, and yes, it’s very realistic Essendon is holding 3 or 4 selections in the top 10 of the 2025 draft.


Now, layer that onto the fact this list is already one of the youngest in the competition. Hobbs, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Reid — the core is there. Four more elite juniors coming in fast-tracked around them, and you’ve got the makings of a list that can challenge within a few years.


Contrast that with West Coast. They’re getting priority pick discussions despite being the wealthiest club in the AFL. They’re not maximising their soft cap, they’ve had every advantage, and yet we’re talking about bailing them out. That’s the difference. Essendon’s rebuild is being driven by smart list management and tough decisions. West Coast’s is being propped up by AFL handouts.


You can call it delusional if you want, but it’s grounded in logic. And in the long run, Essendon’s position will be far stronger for it.

Essendon has cooked it youngsters, alienated it older players and are selling a 30yr old who doesn't want to be there.
Hird like always has lived in his own little nepotist bubble.
And Essendon will be shit for years to come. Scott will pack his bags in 2-3 years time and **** off forever.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Psssst

Do you think it might be a gag account?

Didn’t bother to check the join date. It’s been thread banned in any case, would expect an Eagles poster to be funnier than that.

 

[Snowball81]

Duursma and Patterson at 1 and 2 is the dream. The latter especially is an absolute jet.

Patterson looks a real player. Has wheels and a really nice side step.

Other players that would be good gets if we split pick 2 would be Lindsay or Farrow and don’t mind the look of Philipou as a later pick.

 

[bUCKET__]

Psssst

Do you think it might be a gag account?

The amount of people they hooked last time was pretty impressive too

 

[Bill Crouse]

Interesting developments with Jack Steele today.

I have been very firm that he is the guy we should be pursuing to bring across as genuine inside experience for the midfield and it is interesting to see that the Saints have given him a nudge out the door after appearing that wasn't quite on the agenda.

I think it has taken Steele by surprise a little - and his initial reaction that his manager is putting out to Tom Morris that he wants to stay and just be a 'player' for the Saints and be part of their seemingly confirmed upcoming period of success. Let's leave that part alone for now.

I saw an initial suggestion that WCE was a firm 'No.' for Steele.
It would be a shame if he was completely closed to the opportunity but if he's still thinking he wants to stay at the Saints, then he's probably not thinking about uprooting his life and moving to the other side of the country to play out his days as a 'mentor for the kids' in a terrible side. Great players have done it - Luke Hodge for example - but for the most part it's guys who have enjoyed a measure of success. Steele hasn't.

Then there is word that Adelaide might be keen. Interesting. I do wonder if he's really slotting into that Adelaide side, where a guy like Matt Crouch has just finished his days injured and in the SANFL. There would also be the matter of his salary.
That all said - if Adelaide is keen, nobody would blame Steele for going down that road - he could find himself in a better position on the ladder than he ever has.

....but that all said, if the guy can't get his head around the fact that the club he has been captaining for a few years has told him to 'consider his options' and is keen to see out his deal with the Saints.....then he's probably not the guy for us anyway - we need guys who are 100% on board for the next few years, not a guy we need to twist the arm of to see an opportunity.

Interesting to see how it plays out!

He never wanted to leave the giants, and that didn't stop him having a number of good years for us.

If he is naive enough to think that blowing our salary cap on recruiting a few b and c graders means we are set up for success, then selling him on playing for the eagles couldn't be too difficult. He probably remembers that you looked like a pretty good team in round 10

 

[mattyc75]

Which other job do you get paid 500k and get to dictate terms to your employer? I get it from the rookie pov but anyone over 22 should be happy playing anywhere. They should be grateful they’re actually on a list in the first place.

Honestly I think if you're getting paid 500k then you're doing a lot of the dictating

 

[Mr Q]

[Evil mode]

If you see GC are going to struggle with points you do this:

1. Bid on Patterson first
2. Bid on Uwland

[3. Bid on Annable if you didn't get both the above]
[4. Pick Duursma, knowing you've done good work tonight]

After you bid on Patterson, GC would have to panic as they'll then assume - with good reason - you're bidding Uwland next. They'll then have to try and get the points for both immediately or decide which they want (and we end up with the other). Then offer them 19 for their F1+F2 or something like that. Also remember they have Addinsall who's likely a late first rounder.

If they sort the points, then bid Annable at 2.

Of course if they have the points..... do it anyway, make them use them up. Unless they've been good to us in trade week and helped us trade up.

(All of this assumes you have Uwland, Patterson and Annable in the top few picks)

[/Evil mode]

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

[Evil mode]

If you see GC are going to struggle with points you do this:

1. Bid on Patterson first
2. Bid on Uwland

[3. Bid on Annable if you didn't get both the above]
[4. Pick Duursma, knowing you've done good work tonight]

After you bid on Patterson, GC would have to panic as they'll then assume - with good reason - you're bidding Uwland next. They'll then have to try and get the points for both immediately or decide which they want (and we end up with the other). Then offer them 19 for their F1+F2 or something like that. Also remember they have Addinsall who's likely a late first rounder.

If they sort the points, then bid Annable at 2.

Of course if they have the points..... do it anyway, make them use them up. Unless they've been good to us in trade week and helped us trade up.

(All of this assumes you have Uwland, Patterson and Annable in the top few picks)

[/Evil mode]

I haven't actually looked at any vision of these 3 since they're other clubs' NGA's and seemingly no interest to us, but this is a no brainer if they are better prospects than Duursma & CDT. You have to make them picks 1-3 if you truly believe they're worth those picks. If we had prospects as good as these, you'd better believe other teams will make us pay, so no point doing other teams any favours.

 

[twce13]

Pretty interesting stuff here.

Pick 1 and 2 combined are worth 5481 points.

With a 15% discount that shifts to 4659.


suns picks currently(without Allen or Draper further impact):

P7: 1659
P14: 1024
P17: 879
P34: 360
Other picks no points.

Total points = 3922.
Which probably loses another 150-200 with further FA compo.

Now the petracca trade really spices things up.

Flanders may net them another 1500 points if saints give up pick 7, but that seems overs to me. Ideally he chooses Melbourne, then the trade may be Flanders + pick 7 and gc are really in a pickle then.

Patterson is very much a live option with the petracca situation and if eagles play the bidding game smart.

 

[twce13]

They also have beau Addinsall as a mid to late first round pick. This may very much be unachievable for suns with petracca and hence the potential to let Pattinson slip through the cracks.. which may be why he said such a statement today..

Getting myself psyched up here .