List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Wouldn't mind a future pick for Ryan, but it needs to be better than an F3. An F2 would be the absolute minimum.

 

[Jootube]

Patterson a pipe dream
GC would be crazy to let him go, even if it means trading away future picks or going into points deficit. Sharp is a very realistic chance to be available at 7 I reckon.

He might be available at pick 7, but that will likely be where the Tigers or Bombers are picking.
Gold Coast's pick will end up being pushed to pick 10 (or even 11) where Sharp is almost certainly off the board.

 

[Mop]

He might be available at pick 7, but that will likely be where the Tigers or Bombers are picking.
Gold Coast's pick will end up being pushed to pick 10 (or even 11) where Sharp is almost certainly off the board.

I agree with all of this

But if hypothetically we ended up with 1. Duursma, 2. CDT and 7/10/11 whatever Sharp/Lindsay, would that be a win?

 

[Altum Volantes]

Should be putting the work into Jack Steele

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Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

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Mid

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Last 5

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20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

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12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

right now and helping him realise that his old club don't want him, they want Liam Ryan

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Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

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Fwd

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11.3

3star

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8.6

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2.7

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3.0

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2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

. We want him, have a role for him and see him as a guy who can help return our club to where it belongs.

He's a St Kilda guy for gods sake. Currently betting on a sudden rise up the ladder, potentially basing that off residual endorphins from that final quarter come back against Melbourne, getting Nas to stay for 2 more years, overpaying for 2 Carlton guys and poaching Gold Coast's 5th best mid....despite the fact that they have told him to try and find another team.

 

[Jootube]

I agree with all of this

But if hypothetically we ended up with 1. Duursma, 2. CDT and 7/10/11 whatever Sharp/Lindsay, would that be a win?

Massive win.
Just need to make peace with Schubert or reaching for Farrow a few picks early.

 

[Goomba1973]

He might be available at pick 7, but that will likely be where the Tigers or Bombers are picking.
Gold Coast's pick will end up being pushed to pick 10 (or even 11) where Sharp is almost certainly off the board.

One of Sharp, Cummings , Greeves or Robey should still be available at that Gold Coast pick.

 

[Bacchus]

I agree with all of this

But if hypothetically we ended up with 1. Duursma, 2. CDT and 7/10/11 whatever Sharp/Lindsay, would that be a win?

Can’t see the point of CDT.

Bloke is neither a ruck or a forward and won’t be any good for years.

How can a team in such a dire state as ours waste such precious draft capital on a player like this.

 

[Bender_]

Problem is we think Ryan is worth a R1.

Saints probably think he's worth a R2.

If we can compromise and Saints give us a R1.4 then I say that's a fair deal for everyone.

 

[Hasselhough]

F3 for a contracted best 22 player ... Forget it.

You could see this coming a mile out. Who knows what conversations went on behind the scenes. Maybe it hapenned and we don't know. But we should have been trying to blow this up a while ago and tell Ryan to look for another club. It was obvious they were going to try and low ball us.

Ryan will probably blame WCE if the trade doesn't go through but it is really his managers fault for not getting guarantees from St Kilda that they were going to make a serious offer to us before he nominated them.

If saints are going to offer silly contracts they need to pay the price for a contracted player .

 

[Hasselhough]

STK 2027 1R for Liam Ryan and pick 37, which goes to GWS for Leek Aleer.

Back yourself in SOS you complex campaigner

Isn't that the year tassie come in and get a ton of 1st rounders ?

Wait 2 years for pick 25

 

[Hasselhough]

Happy to be corrected but I'm 90% sure that RFA's cannot nominate for the PSD, they have to go to the National Draft.

Only if they exercise their right to free agency and it is matched by their existing club .
If he doesn't go through free agency and just a trade he has the same rules as other uncontracted players

 

[Hasselhough]

More like

WCE
OUT: 17, 24, Ryan
IN: 8

STK
OUT: 8, 19 (GEEL 1R for Marshall)
IN: Flanders, Ryan, 37 (Fincher match)

GCS
OUT: Flanders, 37
IN: 17,19,24

Who’s calling SOS?

That's terrible

Values flanders at pick 4 and we give ryan away for free

 

[Hasselhough]

I'd rather keep Ryan (even if he spits the dummy and sits out the year) than take a F3 for him.

I don't want him back though - too lazy and we want guys like Brockman/Dewar/Champion to have room to develop in his position. I'd be telling his manager to line him up with another club (Carlton? Bombers? ).

A f3 from stk would be worse than band 5 compo we would easily get for him next year .

In that scenario it's just better to have him another year

 

[rfarlz]

The whole Patterson thing is a really interesting opportunity. Depending on how the Petracca, JUH, Humphries and Flanders trades go GC might actually be in a situation where they would need to go very heavily into defecit to match bids at 1 and 2. Will they want to burn most of their 2026 draft hand to match a Patterson bid, while also potentially missing out on Addinsall? If not, and we do end up with Patterson, one positive is that all of the non club-tied players shift down a spot in the draft (essentially a club-tied player has taken the spot of the non-tied draft order). That could be the difference between getting both Sharp and Cumming with the hypothetical Essendon picks.

If we think that Patterson is a possibililty we need to play real hard ball with the trade for GC's Port R1. If they won't trade it to us for close to points face value, we could potentially trade for Carlton's TDK compo instead and end up with Patterson, Cumming, Sharp and Schubert on draft night. The way I see that happening is:

• Bid on Patterson with Pick 1. I think this makes it more likely for them to not match, as they're more likely to match him at a cost of 2233 points (at pick 2) than at 2700 points. This is assuming they will definitely match any bids on Uwland, which they would be anticipating is our next step after bidding on Patterson.
• If GC don't match the bid and we take Patterson, I think Essendon will be going hard for the next pick to use on Duursma. Them trading 5 and 6 (or whatever they now are after a Patterson and/or Uwland bid) for pick 2 might not be likely, but we might pull it off without having to sweeten the deal too much (maybe adding Hawk's R2?). This is more likely if they like what they see from Duursma at the combine, his extra height and 2km time are a positive start at least.
• Richmond seem to be most into Robey, Grlj and XT, hopefully their two picks are a combination of them.
• We take Sharp and Cumming with the Essendon picks.
• Then we need Schubert to get through the next three picks. I don't think Hawthorn would take him with their pick, and I'm not sure what Melbourne would do (they'll have at least one of those picks from the Petracca trade). I'd be a little worried if North end up with the St Kilda or Port R1 pick via Gold Coast, maybe they go for CDT instead if he's still there.

At the end of the day, it's very unlikely GC don't match Patterson, but if they don't end up trading us the Port R1, there's nothing for us to lose by having a swing at Patterson, except having to hold onto 1 and 2 and not split either of them before the draft. If they do match bids on both Patterson and Uwland we can just proceed as we would have if we hadn't made the bids (and maybe even bid on Annable too), and at least we've taken a whole load of picks out of the draft with the bid matches.

 

[Dale Doback]

Patterson has speed, moves well, good step, but has an average kick at best and misses too many targets by foot and hand. We get burnt off turnovers off half back as it is.

 

[Dale Doback]

If Twomey is right and Cumming has slid to 15 because of his shoulder injury then he's a steal. He looks like probably the most complete natural midfielder in the draft. He wins clearances with strength, or on the burst running through the stoppage (1.30 mark), or can start shoulder to shoulder at center bounce and take the ball from inside to outside and then deliver (2.00). Sharp is a ball hunter but his ceiling could be a Worpel type of mid with his below average skills. I don't think we need a 30 possession bloke in there these days anyway if they can't kick. I'd rather 20 high impact touches and rotate through half forward and then impact there too.

 

[BSD]

Thats not what the .4 means. Its an average number of goals per game to 1 decimal place. Its not 1 goal 4 behinds per game.

Total career goals and behinds scored divided by total games played. Using the same calculation Phillip Matera scored
389 goals 227 points and divide that by 179 games played the result is an average of 2.17 per game
Now that is elite, Watson isn't elite by that comparison. Marc Lecras played 219 games and kicked 441.253 which is 2.01 per game. Ryan is nowhere near elite nor consistent by comparison to those 2 eagles. If Ryan didn't go missing in a lot of games his stats would be a lot better.

 

[BSD]

If Twomey is right and Cumming has slid to 15 because of his shoulder injury then he's a steal. He looks like probably the most complete natural midfielder in the draft. He wins clearances with strength, or on the burst running through the stoppage (1.30 mark), or can start shoulder to shoulder at center bounce and take the ball from inside to outside and then deliver (2.00). Sharp is a ball hunter but his ceiling could be a Worpel type of mid with his below average skills. I don't think we need a 30 possession bloke in there these days anyway if they can't kick. I'd rather 20 high impact touches and rotate through half forward and then impact there too.

Chris Judd slid from 1 to 3 in his draft year also due to concerns with shoulder injuries.

 

[Proeagle]

He might be available at pick 7, but that will likely be where the Tigers or Bombers are picking.
Gold Coast's pick will end up being pushed to pick 10 (or even 11) where Sharp is almost certainly off the board.

The bombers are as desperate as us for mids, so Sharp probably wont last past their first picks, assuming they keep 5 and 6. A few are predicting/hoping they trade for our 1st (Duursma). But if that doesn't happen, it sounds like Sharpe could be a bomber. They are so desperate for mids, they are talking about Andrew McGrath to the middle next year, which has never worked in the past for them.

Tigers on the other hand I've read, aren't as interested in Sharp as they have Josh Smillie who they think is a very similar type.

 

[kranky al]

I think he will be gone sooner than that. Essendon feels entitled to making finals. They are pretty quick to sack coaches who fail to get them there several years in a row.

Such a joy to watch their Groundhog Day implosions.

Too proud to rebuild. Sitting just outside the 8 getting middling picks diluted to fk by f/s and academies.

Thinking they can geelong their way into a flag.

And the kicker is, even if they commit to a rebuild Tassie will screw it for them.

 

[ziad]

Chris Judd slid from 1 to 3 in his draft year also due to concerns with shoulder injuries.

some time you win, sometimes you loose

 

[eaglevision]

Isn't that the year tassie come in and get a ton of 1st rounders ?

Wait 2 years for pick 25

People need to be patient and think outside the box. F1s have been under rated for years.

In 2020 Pies traded in from GWS picks 24,30 and Cats F4 for their F1. That F1 ended up pick 2. The player GWS took? Finn Callaghan.

Last year Norf got pick 27 and what’s going to be a pick in the 30s this year for pick 3.

The fact is Saints have SFA draft capital to satisfy us. Happy to take their 2027 1R in a draft with Walsh and Abbonizio.

That's terrible

Values flanders at pick 4 and we give ryan away for free

17,24 for 7 would be great but it’s less points for GCS than they are losing. If we actually have the competence to leverage bidding then GCS should take that deal. Fact is list management probably don’t so we need to add something.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

With the Patterson thing what we actually need to happen is for Patterson to privately and publically say he doesnt want to play for Gold Coast.

Once he publically says it Gold Coast are not matching.... The aesthetics of how that will look is insanely bad on them. Puts the academy they have into question a little bit...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

People need to be patient and think outside the box. F1s have been under rated for years.

In 2020 Pies traded in from GWS picks 24,30 and Cats F4 for their F1. That F1 ended up pick 2. The player GWS took? Finn Callaghan.

Last year Norf got pick 27 and what’s going to be a pick in the 30s this year for pick 3.

The fact is Saints have SFA draft capital to satisfy us. Happy to take their 2027 1R in a draft with Walsh and Abbonizio.



17,24 for 7 would be great but it’s less points for GCS than they are losing. If we actually have the competence to leverage bidding then GCS should take that deal. Fact is list management probably don’t so we need to add something.

Just dont have 2 F1sts the Eagles recruiting staff will have to choose from

"I dunno, Demons seem to be taking some chances. Brisbane on the other hand I mean they just won the premiership. I reckon they are too tired to win it again. Alright its settled, we are taking Brisbanes F1st over the Demons"

 

[Boots73]

Hey guys sorry if it’s already been mentioned.
Thought the Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

deal would of dropped by now.
Could something been in dispute like length of contract and money which is influencing pick 2 ?