List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Peptide Pig]

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fourth Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2025 Telstra AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

Twomey has CDT listed as 201cm in his article posted today.

Going purely off these rankings, but swapping CDT for Robey and getting all the bids done early. Also assuming Carlton trade down pick 9 to 13 with us.

Bidding on Dean at 5 instead of 2 saves Carlton 500 points, if we let the bid slide to Richmond at 6 then it’s 600+ points saved. Moving back from 9 to 13 alone costs them less than 300 points, but we would shuffle later picks to balance it. Early bids should eat up some second rounders and bring in our pick 34 to approx 30 with 41, 53 and 58 also coming in.

I imagine after our 3x R1 picks we will trade into next year while keeping picks to match NGAs, hoping a couple slip through and can be taken as Cat B.

1. Duursma (WC)
2. Uwland (GC)
3. Patterson (GC)
4. Annable (Bris)
5. Dean (Carl)
6. Robey (WC)
7. CDT (Rich)
8. Taylor (Rich)
9. Sharp (Ess)
10. Cumming (Ess)
11. Schubert (Melb)
12. Grlj (Melb)
13. Farrow (WC)
14. Lindsay (Haw)
15. Philippou (GWS)
16. Greeves (Carl)

NGAs
Williams
Evans
Walley?

 

[Patron]

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fourth Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2025 Telstra AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

Twomey has CDT listed as 201cm in his article posted today.

Only 1cm of growth in the back half of the year. Suggests he's done or very close to done. That impacts his standing for me because without good ruck craft and a huge leap he's likely to be a below par ruck at AFL level (in terms of ruck contests). He would need to be nek level extraordinary around the ground to justify pick 2. He's not worth that as a KPF.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Only 1cm of growth in the back half of the year. Suggests he's done or very close to done. That impacts his standing for me because without good ruck craft and a huge leap he's likely to be a below par ruck at AFL level (in terms of ruck contests). He would need to be nek level extraordinary around the ground to justify pick 2. He's not worth that as a KPF.

If we take him, have to pray he's still got some growth in him. But wouldn't be much if any.

 

[BSD]

Not sure if already posted - good interview with T Mitchell, more than happy to come to WCE & help contribute at AFL level and/or develop the kids

Mitchell was playing for Claremont colts when he was drafted, his dad Barry was an assistant at the Dockers then.

 

[southcoast]

Going purely off these rankings, but swapping CDT for Robey and getting all the bids done early. Also assuming Carlton trade down pick 9 to 13 with us.

Bidding on Dean at 5 instead of 2 saves Carlton 500 points, if we let the bid slide to Richmond at 6 then it’s 600+ points saved. Moving back from 9 to 13 alone costs them less than 300 points, but we would shuffle later picks to balance it. Early bids should eat up some second rounders and bring in our pick 34 to approx 30 with 41, 53 and 58 also coming in.

I imagine after our 3x R1 picks we will trade into next year while keeping picks to match NGAs, hoping a couple slip through and can be taken as Cat B.

1. Duursma (WC)
2. Uwland (GC)
3. Patterson (GC)
4. Annable (Bris)
5. Dean (Carl)
6. Robey (WC)
7. CDT (Rich)
8. Taylor (Rich)
9. Sharp (Ess)
10. Cumming (Ess)
11. Schubert (Melb)
12. Grlj (Melb)
13. Farrow (WC)
14. Lindsay (Haw)
15. Philippou (GWS)
16. Greeves (Carl)

NGAs
Williams
Evans
Walley?

I do wonder if the WCE Draft team has the 'courage' to place bids on Uwland to Dean as shown in your list.

For mine if that is where we rank them then we need to pull the trigger at 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Draft night (1) just got a little more interesting for me.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

1) someone like Mitchell "could" have a future (even limited) in WC's senior team in the short term (say 2 years) - which given their lack of midfield depth at present, could prove useful.

I don't see it, and he's basically the antithesis of how Mini wants us to play.

Any extractors we play need to at least be handy on the spread, a 32 year old Mitchell isn't.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

"significant shrinkage"

Sex life etc

 

[kingerzz]

I don't see it, and he's basically the antithesis of how Mini wants us to play.

Any extractors we play need to at least be handy on the spread, a 32 year old Mitchell isn't.

Yeah agreed not on the main list, but the club can get create here. Offer him a good development coach role and he can "train" with the players to set standards.

He could continue playing for the beagles to help development and we could dangle the carrot of midseason draft if we have injuries and need experience.

 

[MrAsh7777]

What if this business of bidding on Dean isn't a bluff.
Wouldn't be shocking if Eagles had some CDT reservations and their rankings were something like:
1. Duursma
2. Uwland
3. Patterson
4. Annable
5. Dean
6. CDT or Robey

 

[Wce17]

Say we bid on Dean is there any rule stopping us from then doing a trade with Carlton to help them match even though we are the ones who bid?

Bid on Dean at 2 then if they say they are going to match do a deal to move up to pick 9 or something like that

 

[Peptide Pig]

I do wonder if the WCE Draft team has the 'courage' to place bids on Uwland to Dean as shown in your list.

For mine if that is where we rank them then we need to pull the trigger at 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Draft night (1) just got a little more interesting for me.

We can rule out any bids at pick 1, and very possible we go the soft approach and don’t bid at 2 either. But we owe nothing to the Suns or Lions and they have the points to match so we shouldn’t do them any favors at this point. If Carlton trade us 9 for 13 (plus late picks) then we would let Dean slide to a Tigers bid. But sounds like we genuinely rate him or at least want to give that perception to Carlton.

Mitchell was playing for Claremont colts when he was drafted, his dad Barry was an assistant at the Dockers then.

His interview on SEN was a good listen. Couldn’t have put his case forward much better. As some have mentioned, aside from his age he is basically the opposite to our fast game plan, but that could be said for all of the delisted inside mids we are looking at, and we do need someone to extract the footy at a decent rate.

Just have to weigh up the experience and leadership of Mitchell for probably 2 years max, versus the possible upside if it does click for the likes of Phillips/Clohesy and they become a solide role player for the future. But we are also hoping Dev becomes that guy so how many do we need to roll the dice on?

At the end of the day we lack leadership in the middle and failed to land an experienced mid, so maybe Mitchell is the consolation. I think Hollands is worth a shot and would be keen on one of Clohesy/Stevens coming from the Geelong system, then an untried Blamires. Phillips is borderline but feel like there’s better options.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Only 1cm of growth in the back half of the year. Suggests he's done or very close to done. That impacts his standing for me because without good ruck craft and a huge leap he's likely to be a below par ruck at AFL level (in terms of ruck contests). He would need to be nek level extraordinary around the ground to justify pick 2. He's not worth that as a KPF.

But he's growing more every single day. He's potentially got 2.5 years to grow. Imagine if he ends up @ 210cm

 

[rebel23]

Yes to Mitchell..
No to Phillips

At worst he would probably be in contention for the sandover medal..
At best he could be extractor tackling machine for our main side

 

[Barrybran]

On the Carlton pick, are we targeting the wrong pick? Is there something we can do with pick 11?

 

[Peptide Pig]

On the Carlton pick, are we targeting the wrong pick? Is there something we can do with pick 11?

Isn’t one of the quirks with this ‘dual economy’ of picks vs points that it doesn’t really matter for Carlton? If there is an early Dean bid and they hold 9 + 11 then 9 gets eaten and 11 gets pushed into the second round. If they hold 11 + 13 then 11 gets eaten and 13 moves back but they also will hold a later pick from us.

The caveat being that if we don’t bid early it will save them approx 600 points meaning pick 13 may not move much anyway. So with the old ‘wink wink no bid’ it could mean they stay in the first round and land a later pick or extra points for an Ison bid. Plus we move up a few spots obviously, importantly getting ahead of those Hawthorn jerks where we should have a pick anyway.

 

[Barrybran]

Isn’t one of the quirks with this ‘dual economy’ of picks vs points that it doesn’t really matter for Carlton? If there is an early Dean bid and they hold 9 + 11 then 9 gets eaten and 11 gets pushed into the second round. If they hold 11 + 13 then 11 gets eaten and 13 moves back but they also will hold a later pick from us.

The caveat being that if we don’t bid early it will save them approx 600 points meaning pick 13 may not move much anyway. So with the old ‘wink wink no bid’ it could mean they stay in the first round and land a later pick or extra points for an Ison bid. Plus we move up a few spots obviously, importantly getting ahead of those Hawthorn jerks where we should have a pick anyway.

I'm wondering if Carlton can negotiate their position and potentially use pick 9 with the Dean bid coming after that instead.

 

[AnyDanger]

I dont hate the idea of mitchell, although I didnt have much of an eye on his afl appearances this year to know whether hes still got much to offer. As long as the club, and Mitchell himself, go into it prepared that he may play a bit of wafl, i think it could work. There's certainly worse things we could use the extra list spots on. If anyone's midfield could use a bloke who knows how to find it, its ours.

I suspect it probably wont happen. There was a comment from the club around jack steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

that he doesnt fit our style. But when were 8 weeks in and our midfield is getting torched in the contest and Harley's fighting lone battles again, a player like mitchell might be handy.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Is it actually legal to threaten another club to bid on it's F/S prospect to get them to swap a later draft pick with you? Or will the AFL consider that to be draft tampering and an abuse of the system?

 

[Elite Pete]

Is it actually legal to threaten another club to bid on it's F/S prospect to get them to swap a later draft pick with you? Or will the AFL consider that to be draft tampering and an abuse of the system?

There would be easy ways to navigate that and not get yourself into trouble

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

There would be easy ways to navigate that and not get yourself into trouble

I think if Carlton suddenly swapped pick 9 for pick 13 for no reason the AFL might start asking questions. And they would likely block the swap. They have pretty extensive power and they are not idiots.

if you were going to do it you would need to do it during trade period and have some other pick/players involved so it is not so obvious. Trading Pick 9 for 13 straight up with no camouflage around it on draft night is going to stand out.

 

[Elite Pete]

I think if Carlton suddenly swapped pick 9 for pick 13 for no reason the AFL might start asking questions. And they would likely block the swap. They have pretty extensive power and they are not idiots.

if you were going to do it you would need to do it during trade period and have some other pick/players involved so it is not so obvious. Trading Pick 9 for 13 straight up with no camouflage around it on draft night is going to stand out.

Clearly other picks would be involved which would likely include other teams as well.

 

[Peptide Pig]

Is it actually legal to threaten another club to bid on it's F/S prospect to get them to swap a later draft pick with you? Or will the AFL consider that to be draft tampering and an abuse of the system?

Not allowed to make any (known) agreements around bidding as part of a trade or pick swap. So long as the swap gave Carlton a slight points increase then it should be ticked off eg.
Pick 9 is 1355
Pick 13 + 34 is 1440
Increase of 85 points

Or to assist their Walker bid next year we could use a future pick which is harder to scrutinize because finishing positions are unknown.

 

[boondy]

[Edit ]Wow poster above beat me to it

If we offer 13 + 34 (1440)its points value is more than pick 9 (1355) so carlton should trade .
Anyway if trade is blocked and we do bid on Dean it effectively removes pick 9 out of the way and our pick 13 is like pick 12 unless Carlton trade it to someone else .

 

[Altum Volantes]

Or to assist their Walker bid next year we could use a future pick which is harder to scrutinize because finishing positions are unknown.

That's the spirit!

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

[Edit ]Wow poster above beat me to it

If we offer 13 + 34 (1440)its points value is more than pick 9 (1355) so carlton should trade .
Anyway if trade is blocked and we do bid on Dean it effectively removes pick 9 out of the way and our pick 13 is like pick 12 unless Carlton trade it to someone else .

If it was me i would try it whilst at the same time being very careful with what i actually said to Carlton. But i don't see Pyke and co going for it. We are talking about a bunch of bed wetting rule followers who are afraid of other clubs thinking bad thoughts about them if we come out on top in a trade. So you can imagine what their position on having the AFL upset with them is going to be.