List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Boohemian]

Evans is still the pick of lot of them though, right?

Even still - I doubt West Coast would have told Williams that they're not going to match a bid. Surely the company word is we're nominating you, no guarantees which is as vanilla as it comes.

Does confirm that Geelong are the ones sniffing around. Kelly 2.0.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Assuming the Williams bid comes after our first 3 picks, why wouldn't we match?

Looks a real talent.

If another club rates him as a 1st round talent but our recruiters dont think hes worth pick 34 in a supposed weak draft is the only way we dont pick him

Would really have to question our recruiters judgement in that case I would think

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Tylah Williams has told people he expects to land at Geelong and not West Coast.

He probably just can't shake the feeling.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Evans is still the pick of lot of them though, right?

Even still - I doubt West Coast would have told Williams that they're not going to match a bid. Surely the company word is we're nominating you, no guarantees which is as vanilla as it comes.

Does confirm that Geelong are the ones sniffing around. Kelly 2.0.

Wouldn't even have to make a decision had we delisted an extra player, but Banfield and Evans are my preference. Maybe the club has an inkling that there's interest in Evans.

 

[LittleFires]

Cool, so I guess we're just not going to hear from the club about what's happened with Jamie Cripps

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Jamie Cripps

Age

33

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.9

5star

G

1.3

5star

D

10.3

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

0.4

3star

D

6.4

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

or Malakai Champion.

Obviously going off reports it seems like both have re-signed... but why does the club always seem to forget about one or two players at the end of the year? For a media team who's job it is to keep fans in the loop about these kinds of decisions, surely it's not that hard to keep track of.

It irks me more than it should tbh.

 

[bzparkes]

Evans is still the pick of lot of them though, right?

Even still - I doubt West Coast would have told Williams that they're not going to match a bid. Surely the company word is we're nominating you, no guarantees which is as vanilla as it comes.

Does confirm that Geelong are the ones sniffing around. Kelly 2.0.

Could this mean we have an interest in Dovaston instead and it's between him and Williams?

 

[Elite Pete]

What’s the updated list spots? It’s been reported 5 main list and 4 rookie listed spots previously. Assuming one extra cat b now? How do we fill them out?

5 Main List
Pick 1
Pick 2
Pick 13
Williams
Evans/Banfield

4 Rookie list
Dev
Macrae
Banfield/Evans
?

Cat B
Walley/Evans

Last rookie spot a Key Defender or Ruck?

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Could this mean we have an interest in Dovaston instead and it's between him and Williams?

Last we chose between an NGA and another player in a similar position was Jarrod Cameron & Bobby Hill.
No reason to not take both.
In this case it would only make sense if Geelong or another team bid on him at pick 13 or whatever it will be.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I've been refreshing our Twitter page for the last hour.

 

[Keys]

If they want Williams, Geelong would need to using their R1 pick (currently 19) which might move back a couple of spots if Brisbane /Gold Coast move their R1 picks back a little

Based on where our picks 34 and 41 are likely to be at the time Geelong might bid, we’d almost certainly have enough points to match if we chose

Geelong would be rating Williams at or above the likes of O Taylor, Hibbins-Hargreaves, Barker, Ludowycke, Pickett and Addinsall who would all be available around their pick based on Twomey’s ratings. So he’s in pretty good company in that draft range

If we chose not to match we’d be prioritising the likes of Oudshoorn-Bennier, Byrne, Dalton, Rodriguez, Emmett and Curtin who project as possibilities at our 4th pick

It would mean Geelong see something in Williams that we don’t if we don’t match which would be a concern albeit that most rankings have Williams nowhere near that Geelong pick and plenty don’t have him even at our pick in the thirties

If we’ve used 34 to shift 13 higher up the order then matching becomes more difficult

 

[Coasters7]

Not delisting a 33 (34 at the start of the season) Cripps and missing out on a first round rated replacement, who also comes for free, would be peak WC of the last 5 years.

 

[Coasters7]

If they want Williams, Geelong would need to using their R1 pick (currently 19) which might move back a couple of spots if Brisbane /Gold Coast move their R1 picks back a little

Based on where our picks 34 and 41 are likely to be at the time Geelong might bid, we’d almost certainly have enough points to match if we chose

Geelong would be rating Williams at or above the likes of O Taylor, Hibbins-Hargreaves, Barker, Ludowycke, Pickett and Addinsall who would all be available around their pick based on Twomey’s ratings. So he’s in pretty good company in that draft range

If we chose not to match we’d be prioritising the likes of Oudshoorn-Bennier, Byrne, Dalton, Rodriguez, Emmett and Curtin who project as possibilities at our 4th pick

It would mean Geelong see something in Williams that we don’t if we don’t match which would be a concern albeit that most rankings have Williams nowhere near that Geelong pick and plenty don’t have him even at our pick in the thirties

If we’ve used 34 to shift 13 higher up the order then matching becomes more difficult

List spots is the issue not points, no? If we match Williams we’d only be able to get one of the others if 2 or more get bid on in the main draft.

 

[WCErevival]

Is Williams even that good?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Is Williams even that good?

Williams has some of the best high speed GPS data in this draft pool. While his production isn't yet there his craft is elite, skills very good and athletic profiles top end for a small.

 

[Keys]

Not delisting a 33 (34 at the start of the season) Cripps and missing out on a first round rated replacement, who also comes for free, would be peak WC of the last 5 years.

Who’s the first round rated player we’re missing out on because we haven’t moved Cripps to the rookie list?

We run the risk of missing either Banfield or Evans if both are bid on during the primary draft which would be disappointing since that scenario would be avoided by shifting Cripps. But neither of those are R1 talents and there’s every chance at least one, if not both, don’t get a bid

If we miss Williams it will be because we think we can get a better player with the pick we use to match a bid. Nothing to do with list spots

We have 9 list spots - 5 main, 3 Cat A and 1 Cat B on the assumption a Cat A rookie list spot is committed to Robertson

Main list
• 3x R1 picks
• Williams or a 4th pick
• One of Banfield/Evans if there’s a bid or neither if there isn’t

Rookie list - Cat A
• One (or both) of Banfield/Evans if they don’t get a bid or Pick 1 of the Rookie Draft if both Banfield and Evans are bid on
• Two other places to filled via SSP/DFA/RD pick 1

Rookie list - Cat B
• Wes Walley unless he also attracts a bid in the main draft which seems unlikely

We are effectively gambling that at least one of Evans or Banfield don’t get bid on. Look like geniuses if they don’t, morons if they do and we lose one of them

 

[Barrybran]

Is Williams even that good?

There are going to be multiple better options at Geelong's pick

 

[AnyDanger]

Find it hard to believe we couldn't find someone more worthwhile to put on our list than barnett. Hope he proves us wrong but he must be the world's best locker room guy, because he'd struggle to get a game for most wafl sides. Shame for Livingstone but I think you can see the afl attributes aren't there.

 

[TerryFilk]

I’m fine with missing out on Williams, I’d be content to use those picks to either trade up or pick up a slider or two, because there will be someone good.

I like Williams traits, but I don’t think his production has been very good for the majority of the year, his combine results are the only reason he’s suddenly being talked about like this.

Ideal situation is to get him still, but I’m not too fussed if we don’t, I agree it’s nerve wracking if Geelong pick him though because their talent identification is generally pretty good.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

We are effectively gambling that at least one of Evans or Banfield don’t get bid on. Look like geniuses if they don’t, morons if they do and we lose one of them

We always think we're the smartest in the room and it's worked out so well for us in recent years.

 

[Coasters7]

Who’s the first round rated player we’re missing out on because we haven’t moved Cripps to the rookie list?

We run the risk of missing either Banfield or Evans if both are bid on during the primary draft which would be disappointing since that scenario would be avoided by shifting Cripps. But neither of those are R1 talents and there’s every chance at least one, if not both, don’t get a bid

If we miss Williams it will be because we think we can get a better player with the pick we use to match a bid. Nothing to do with list spots

We have 9 list spots - 5 main, 3 Cat A and 1 Cat B on the assumption a Cat A rookie list spot is committed to Robertson

Main list
• 3x R1 picks
• Williams or a 4th pick
• One of Banfield/Evans if there’s a bid or neither if there isn’t

Rookie list - Cat A
• One (or both) of Banfield/Evans if they don’t get a bid or Pick 1 of the Rookie Draft if both Banfield and Evans are bid on
• Two other places to filled via SSP/DFA/RD pick 1

Rookie list - Cat B
• Wes Walley unless he also attracts a bid in the main draft which seems unlikely

We are effectively gambling that at least one of Evans or Banfield don’t get bid on. Look like geniuses if they don’t, morons if they do and we lose one of them

Williams in this scenario because it’ll be Geelong taking him in the first round.

The ideal scenario is that one of Banfield or Evans is on the rookie list but we haven’t allowed any room for error, which shouldn’t have been hard to manage.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Williams in this scenario because it’ll be Geelong taking him in the first round.

When's their pick going to end up, early to mid 20s?

Surely you'd match the bid.

 

[amazingjoshy]

There are going to be multiple better options at Geelong's pick

Are you saying you dont think Geelong will bid with their 1st?

Because otherwise our only question is if there will be better options at 34. If Geelongs recruiters rate him as a 1st rounder, I find it hard to believe hes not better than anyone after pick 34

 

[Eastern Rangers]

List spots is the issue not points, no? If we match Williams we’d only be able to get one of the others if 2 or more get bid on in the main draft.

Only up to pick 40.

Trade 2 for 5 & 21. Cover off Geelong, If no Bid take another top 30 talent and cover of bid for Williams with 34.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Who’s the first round rated player we’re missing out on because we haven’t moved Cripps to the rookie list?

We run the risk of missing either Banfield or Evans if both are bid on during the primary draft which would be disappointing since that scenario would be avoided by shifting Cripps. But neither of those are R1 talents and there’s every chance at least one, if not both, don’t get a bid

If we miss Williams it will be because we think we can get a better player with the pick we use to match a bid. Nothing to do with list spots

We have 9 list spots - 5 main, 3 Cat A and 1 Cat B on the assumption a Cat A rookie list spot is committed to Robertson

Main list
• 3x R1 picks
• Williams or a 4th pick
• One of Banfield/Evans if there’s a bid or neither if there isn’t

Rookie list - Cat A
• One (or both) of Banfield/Evans if they don’t get a bid or Pick 1 of the Rookie Draft if both Banfield and Evans are bid on
• Two other places to filled via SSP/DFA/RD pick 1

Rookie list - Cat B
• Wes Walley unless he also attracts a bid in the main draft which seems unlikely

We are effectively gambling that at least one of Evans or Banfield don’t get bid on. Look like geniuses if they don’t, morons if they do and we lose one of them

It's not the cats pick 19 for Williams I'd be worried about, it's there pick 40 or 60 that will come in a bit where I can see them going for a speculative selection in Evans. Now if we have matched on Williams slightly earlier, then we risk no having a list spot on Banfield. The real danger for any of the three is if we have maxed our 5 selections and one of them remains, another teams know they can bid on him and we can't match. In a shallow draft this is where speculative late selections happen. My prediction is, if 2 are bid on, the 3rd won't make it to the rookie draft.

 

[WCE777]

Williams has some of the best high speed GPS data in this draft pool. While his production isn't yet there his craft is elite, skills very good and athletic profiles top end for a small.

So Williams is a D Jones type with his speed and GPS data, just doesnt have the production yet?