Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 3

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 4

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[Call Me Cake]

Suspend the season for 2 weeks and then come back with hubs. It would save the majority of the issues we'd face, and would level the playing field on match fitness.

Simple.

This is what the 17 games were for, this is why we extended the season to and/or beyond October, this is why we have the shortened games. This is what we prepared for.

It is severely unfair of supporters of the rest of the teams to disadvantage us because of this - we always knew a positive test was possible and you all damn well knew it could have been any of your teams as well. Trust the lot of you to turn to infighting at a time like this in which we should have all come in with a range of flexibility and the understanding that we're all in this together.

Like Mike Tyson said - everyone's got a plan until they're punched in the face.

 

[Stax on the mill]

The idiot right wing summed up in two paragraphs:

In May:

1) Dan Andrews is a commie and his lockdown laws are draconian. We demand our freedom. Liberate.

Today:

2) Dan Andrews is entirely to blame for easing restrictions that have led to this small spike in cases and is directly responsible for an idiot Irishman going to football training and looking for a house.

The idiot left wing summed up in 2 paragraphs:

In March:

Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton are racist, fascist pigs for stopping flights from China in response to COVID-19. Total overreaction driven by racism and a desire to exploit the situation.

2 weeks later in March:

Scott Morrison is incompetent, irresponsible and totally out of his depth. He should have acted sooner and imposed draconian restrictions, including on incoming flights right from the outset. His failure to do so has put all our lives at risk, and he’s responsible for everything bad which occurs as a result.

 

[JackOutback]

The state vs state stuff needs to calm down a bit, but the AFL could be about to pay a hefty price for being too Victorian-centric. I understand the logic of keeping 10 clubs in Victoria, but it seems they got a little too confident about how well Australia was handling the coronavirus and couldn't foresee the states that still had community transmission having an outbreak. That's on the AFL. Plenty of ordinary people were aware of the possibility.

 

[rumply]

Another 16 cases for Vic yesterday.

 

[Numero Uno]

Sums up the VFL
Non Vic teams making all the sacrifices while pampered princesses in Victoria are blatantly flouting the rules
No surprise the AFL and Vic media are sweeping it under the carpet
Can’t inconvenience any Vic side, they must all get their 17 home games each and everything else gifted to them on a silver platter

Yet still they squeal

 

[owen87]

The state vs state stuff needs to calm down a bit, but the AFL could be about to pay a hefty price for being too Victorian-centric. I understand the logic of keeping 10 clubs in Victoria, but it seems they got a little too confident about how well Australia was handling the coronavirus and couldn't foresee the states that still had community transmission having an outbreak. That's on the AFL. Plenty of ordinary people were aware of the possibility.

Sums up the VFL
Non Vic teams making all the sacrifices while pampered princesses in Victoria are blatantly flouting the rules
No surprise the AFL and Vic media are sweeping it under the carpet
Can’t inconvenience any Vic side, they must all get their 17 home games each and everything else gifted to them on a silver platter

Yet still they squeal

You both know all teams in QLD and NSW also stayed at home right?

And if SA and/or WA had been willing to offer an exemption for the 14 day quarantine (e.g. Essendon and North flew up to Sydney and back in the same day to avoid any hotel stays) so long as the players (and support staff) were isolated from the rest of the community, they wouldn't have needed to relocate either.

This is a hardly a #ViccoBias scenario, much as people from WA seem to want to make it one.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

You both know all teams in QLD and NSW also stayed at home right?

And if SA and/or WA had been willing to offer an exemption for the 14 day quarantine (e.g. Essendon and North flew up to Sydney and back in the same day to avoid any hotel stays) so long as the players (and support staff) were isolated from the rest of the community, they wouldn't have needed to relocate either.

This is a hardly a #ViccoBias scenario, much as people from WA seem to want to make it one.

Looks like the WA and SA governments were intelligent enough to see the disrespect that Victorian players would have for the integrity of lockdowns.

 

[owen87]

Looks like the WA and SA governments were intelligent enough to see the disrespect that Victorian players would have for the integrity of lockdowns.

Ollie Wines?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Ollie Wines?

He's a Victorian so we shouldn't be surprised.

We Victorians are Australia's dumbest people.

 

[Numero Uno]

You both know all teams in QLD and NSW also stayed at home right?

And if SA and/or WA had been willing to offer an exemption for the 14 day quarantine (e.g. Essendon and North flew up to Sydney and back in the same day to avoid any hotel stays) so long as the players (and support staff) were isolated from the rest of the community, they wouldn't have needed to relocate either.

This is a hardly a #ViccoBias scenario, much as people from WA seem to want to make it one.

Lol this logic. A world wide pandemic but ironically every team from one state making zero sacrifices

iTs AlL tHE wA gOvERnmEnTs fAuLt!!

Is that code for every Vic side having a massive sook about hubs and the VFL absolutely pandering to it

 

[owen87]

Lol this logic. A world wide pandemic but ironically every team from one state making zero sacrifices

iTs AlL tHE wA gOvERnmEnTs fAuLt!!

Is that code for every Vic side having a massive sook about hubs and the VFL absolutely pandering to it

So the NSW and QLD teams aren't still based in their home-states then? I missed them relocating.

But please, continue on your bizarre parochial tangent.

 

[owen87]

He's a Victorian so we shouldn't be surprised.

We Victorians are Australia's dumbest people.

Well, Victorian players make up somewhere around 50% of the league, so on average you'd project they'd be the most likely to represent cases.

McKenna is Irish born, Zerk-Thatcher is from SA. So does relocating to Victoria infect them with stupidity, but doesn't reverse Wines' stupidity?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Well, Victorian players make up somewhere around 50% of the league, so on average you'd project they'd be the most likely to represent cases.

McKenna is Irish born, Zerk-Thatcher is from SA. So does relocating to Victoria infect them with stupidity, but doesn't reverse Wines' stupidity?

This isn't rocket surgery, Dr.

 

[Flash of power]

Suspend the season for 2 weeks and then come back with hubs. It would save the majority of the issues we'd face, and would level the playing field on match fitness.

Simple.

This is what the 17 games were for, this is why we extended the season to and/or beyond October, this is why we have the shortened games. This is what we prepared for.

It is severely unfair of supporters of the rest of the teams to disadvantage us because of this - we always knew a positive test was possible and you all damn well knew it could have been any of your teams as well. Trust the lot of you to turn to infighting at a time like this in which we should have all come in with a range of flexibility and the understanding that we're all in this together.

Like Mike Tyson said - everyone's got a plan until they're punched in the face.

Not unfair, it isn't another club it is EFC that had a player flout the rules, suck it up and play with a team that you can put on the field and if you can't field a team, forfeit.

No understanding, no flexibility - rules were broken.

Port lost Ollie Wines for a week because a stupid reporter turned up on his doorstep, unfair - no he broke the rules and paid the price.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

That still MUCH better then what the AFL is doing for sure

In what way?

Unless you equate living in a donga not much bigger than a king single bed for 12+ weeks straight and only going out to eat and work as being better than living in a golf resort for 5 or 6 weeks or quarantining in a 5 start hotel with room service for two weeks?

 

[owen87]

Not unfair, it isn't another club it is EFC that had a player flout the rules, suck it up and play with a team that you can put on the field and if you can't field a team, forfeit.

No understanding, no flexibility - rules were broken.

Port lost Ollie Wines for a week because a stupid reporter turned up on his doorstep, unfair - no he broke the rules and paid the price.

I partially agree; if EFC can still field a side (22 + 4 emergencies) then I think they should play. If not, then postpone it.

It seems likely that up to 8 players will be out of action for about a fortnight, meaning playing the Carlton game undermanned and then moving the Collingwood game back a day, only really compromises the result of that single Carlton game, with the Melbourne game post-poned.

Forfeiting the result is short-sighted, as it's almost certain another team will have a player test positive during the season and we can't just have games being forfeit haphazardly throughout the season.

It's a good reminder for teams to tighten up their training protocols to keep each lines players spread around so you don't lose your entire back-line in one go.

 

[Call Me Cake]

If Essendon is forced to play, very unfairly, with a depleted side, because of this - then this season is an absolute farce.

We may have a positive player - but that does not mean another team may not have a positive player in the future.

Then what?

Suddenly you have 2 teams or more with depleted sides. Suddenly the unfairness increases.

Then you have a set of non-COVID teams having the edge over the COVID teams. Absolutely woeful.

Suddenly the competition and the pursuit of the premiership goes from who plays the best on field and turns into "who had less COVID issues"...

If this is the case, then on the premiership cup, there must be an engraving under the team name that says ".... because we didn't have a case and could field an actual team".

AND - here's another spanner in the works,

What if a team is found to have a positive case - TWICE?

It is a farce to not pause the competition for 2 weeks when a positive case arises - and the issue should shift to whether or not there is enough time in the season to do so (which we shortened everything to prepare for), and whether or not we should overlap our season to 2020/2021.

Pausing the competition for 2 weeks right now - would actually greatly benefit the competition in the long-run and potentially save other clubs the chance of future cases as this is fragile times and having people isolate more would help us get to July 12th - which would hopefully see less prevalent double-digit cases in VIC by then.

 

[ep2018]

The idiot left wing summed up in 2 paragraphs:

In March:

Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton are racist, fascist pigs for stopping flights from China in response to COVID-19. Total overreaction driven by racism and a desire to exploit the situation.

2 weeks later in March:

Scott Morrison is incompetent, irresponsible and totally out of his depth. He should have acted sooner and imposed draconian restrictions, including on incoming flights right from the outset. His failure to do so has put all our lives at risk, and he’s responsible for everything bad which occurs as a result.

Also left wing

March: STAY INSIDE, HARD LOCKDOWN PLEASE, WE NEED TO CONTAIN THE VIRUS

June: WE'RE PROTESTING BLM WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CROWD THE STREETS AND PROTEST

 

[owen87]

If Essendon is forced to play, very unfairly, with a depleted side, because of this - then this season is an absolute farce.

We may have a positive player - but that does not mean another team may not have a positive player in the future.

Then what?

Suddenly you have 2 teams or more with depleted sides. Suddenly the unfairness increases.

Then you have a set of non-COVID teams having the edge over the COVID teams. Absolutely woeful.

Suddenly the competition and the pursuit of the premiership goes from who plays the best on field and turns into "who had less COVID issues"...

If this is the case, then on the premiership cup, there must be an engraving under the team name that says ".... because we didn't have a case and could field an actual team".

AND - here's another spanner in the works,

What if a team is found to have a positive case - TWICE?

It is a farce to not pause the competition when a positive case arises - and the issue should shift to whether or not there is enough time in the season to do so (which we shortened everything to prepare for), and whether or not we should overlap our season to 2020/2021.

Think of it like a club having a run of injury issues during the season, Richmond last year had a number of their best players out across the first half of the season.

Where teams are able to field a team - 26 players fit and available - then I think the games go ahead.

 

[Flash of power]

The decision making should hinge on whether rules have blatantly been ignored or not. If it is self inflicted then cop the pain, if it is some inadvertent unavoidable case then that might be bit different but players can't go around doing what they please and affecting the whole comp without copping the pain.

 

[Forward Press]

Also left wing

March: STAY INSIDE, HARD LOCKDOWN PLEASE, WE NEED TO CONTAIN THE VIRUS

June: WE'RE PROTESTING BLM WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CROWD THE STREETS AND PROTEST

I didn't agree with having protests but there is a huge difference between being able to go to the cinema and protesting for human rights.

I know which country I'd rather live in if one of them was banned completely.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Think of it like a club having a run of injury issues during the season, Richmond last year had a number of their best players out across the first half of the season.

Where teams are able to field a team - 26 players fit and available - then I think the games go ahead.

That is NO WHERE NEAR the same. Absolutely disgraceful for you to even compare and a load of crap.

When a player injures an ankle, we don't penalise other HEALTHY team-mates just because they were in the vicinity of the injured player by DOING THEIR JOB justly when turning up to train.

Not to mention, this has a snow-ball effect that can drag on for extended weeks upon weeks because it's a PANDEMIC - players can test positive again, and again from one team (or many) no matter how many times they recover - which causes a team/teams to perpetually remove HEALTHY players just because of association.

This is not what the competition is about - this is not a legitimate playing field, not in anyone's eyes.

It then not about who can play the best - it's who has less COVID cases and a less impeded team because of it. Pathetic.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

If Essendon is forced to play, very unfairly, with a depleted side, because of this - then this season is an absolute farce.

We may have a positive player - but that does not mean another team may not have a positive player in the future.

Then what?

Suddenly you have 2 teams or more with depleted sides. Suddenly the unfairness increases.

Then you have a set of non-COVID teams having the edge over the COVID teams. Absolutely woeful.

Suddenly the competition and the pursuit of the premiership goes from who plays the best on field and turns into "who had less COVID issues"...

If this is the case, then on the premiership cup, there must be an engraving under the team name that says ".... because we didn't have a case and could field an actual team".

AND - here's another spanner in the works,

What if a team is found to have a positive case - TWICE?

It is a farce to not pause the competition for 2 weeks when a positive case arises - and the issue should shift to whether or not there is enough time in the season to do so (which we shortened everything to prepare for), and whether or not we should overlap our season to 2020/2021.

Pausing the competition for 2 weeks right now - would actually greatly benefit the competition in the long-run and potentially save other clubs the chance of future cases as this is fragile times and having people isolate more would help us get to July 12th - which would hopefully see less prevalent double-digit cases in VIC by then.

I bet you thought Essendon was harshly dealt with for doping, too.

 

[owen87]

That is NO WHERE NEAR the same. Absolutely disgraceful for you to even compare and a load of crap.

When a player injures an ankle, we don't penalise other HEALTHY team-mates just because they were in the vicinity of the injured player by DOING THEIR JOB justly when turning up to train.

Not to mention, this has a snow-ball effect that can drag on for extended weeks upon weeks because it's a PANDEMIC - players can test positive again, and again from one team (or many) no matter how many times they recover - which causes a team/teams to perpetually remove HEALTHY players just because of association.

This is not what the competition is about - this is not a legitimate playing field, not in anyone's eyes.

You would have to be a complete fool to see this as acceptable.

It's different but similar.

Clubs have bad luck due to injuries, or due to poor player management all the time. There's more to being a professional athlete than just the on-field stuff.

This will (or should) be a serious wake-up call to all players and clubs that they need to be strict on this, same as they would be with their diets, rehab, or alcohol / drug consumption.

If ~ 8 players are forced to isolate for 14 days from Saturday, then I fully believe so long as there's 26 fit players we should go ahead with the game against Carlton and push-back the Collingwood game by a day.

 

[Call Me Cake]

It's different but similar.

Clubs have bad luck due to injuries, or due to poor player management all the time. There's more to being a professional athlete than just the on-field stuff.

This will (or should) be a serious wake-up call to all players and clubs that they need to be strict on this, same as they would be with their diets, rehab, or alcohol / drug consumption.

If ~ 8 players are forced to isolate for 14 days from Saturday, then I fully believe so long as there's 26 fit players we should go ahead with the game against Carlton and push-back the Collingwood game by a day.

You are trying to compare apples and oranges. And you are blaming a player which is unfair as ANYONE can get this virus. We are in a pandemic in a state that is the worst hit of all.

Unlike other things clubs deal with in previous seasons - this is a pandemic which can cause players, from one or many clubs, to fall ill and destroy sides. And, even if they recover - they can they have future positive cases, that does the same. Unlike anything else - it has the potential to be perpetual, which would be pathetic to penalise players for just because they were doing their job in exceptional times and are OTHERWISE 100% HEALTHY AND ABLE TO FIELD A TEAM - it is only the exceptional circumstance of this pandemic that puts a doubt on their ability to play.

This is why this pandemic has introduced things like JobKeeper (paying businesses tax-earned dollars to pay workers for 6 months even if they turn profits and no-one is working) - or mortgage deferments - or free food deliveries/extended hours for seniors, ect; - these things, which were brought in to level the playing field in exceptional circumstances - would have been seen as "interfering with the natural cause of things", and people, under your logic, would have to see it as simply being injured or sick and being unable to work to pay expenses and rent... but we didn't think like that, we introduced unprecedented actions because it was unprecedented times. JUST LIKE THIS SEASON.