Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 3

[Gralin]

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 4

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Australian stats page:

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[Sterge]

So which strategy are we following for VIC now:

(A) suppression

(B) NZ - elimination

(C) Sweden

Clearly not (a) - way too much risk, or (c) . So that only leaves elimination?

Looking at the pictures on twitter of people watching the whales on the peninsula it is c Sweden

 

[Senor M]

Looking at the pictures on twitter of people watching the whales on the peninsula it is c Sweden

...as I said, can't trust the people on the Peninsula to follow the rules. Thus why they needed to be locked down like the rest of Melbourne.

 

[dont bowl there]

I asked if you could provide proof of NO long term effects, it seems you can't.

TBF most/all viruses would have some long term effects in some people. We aren’t locked down due to potential long term effects, we are locked down to save the people who will die if they get it now.

 

[Sterge]

...as I said, can't trust the people on the Peninsula to follow the rules. Thus why they needed to be locked down like the rest of Melbourne.

Its not working, cops need to harshly enforce the fines and make them 50k a pop then maybe people will stop being dumb campaigners

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If a company director maintains an unsafe workplace and someone is badly injured or dies, they can be personally sued or imprisoned?

What is the case if the owner of a Security company allows a virus to escape, and someone who can trace it to that event, has long term disability or death from it?

In both cases they are free to try to blame the incompetence of their employees.

 

[LoungeLizard]

can you provide proof that the ball went out of bounds when smacked in by Wayne Harms that beat Collingwood again in a GF ?.

seriously get a grip, this is overhyped and the virus is not, i repeat not the killer they made it out to be, nothing like it in fact

its been demonstrated several times in the last few pages that the CDC considers this virus flu like in its mortality and even safer for kids

why not concentrate on aged care facilities and stop the hysteria

Still no proof i see.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

can you provide proof that the ball went out of bounds when smacked in by Wayne Harms that beat Collingwood again in a GF ?.

seriously get a grip, this is overhyped and the virus is not, i repeat not the killer they made it out to be, nothing like it in fact

its been demonstrated several times in the last few pages that the CDC considers this virus flu like in its mortality and even safer for kids

why not concentrate on aged care facilities and stop the hysteria

Why not focus on those who have survived but are suffering from ongoing complications? Reduced lung function, ongoing fatigue, blood clots and, even acute kidney failure are some of the effects that people are still suffering from months after contracting it. Many of them young and fit too.

What are the long-term health risks following COVID-19?

Sequelae may include persistent pulmonary damage, post-viral fatigue and chronic cardiac complications.

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New study looks at post-COVID-19 emerging disease in children

In recent weeks, a multisystem hyperinflammatory condition has emerged in children in association with prior exposure or infection to SARS-CoV-2. A new case series examines the spectrum of imaging findings in children with the post-COVID-19 inflammatory condition known in the US as Multisystem...

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The Stanford Hall consensus statement for post-COVID-19 rehabilitation | British Journal of Sports Medicine

 

[No SPIN]

knock yourself out .... 10 and 23 may interest you

Facts about Covid-19

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help our readers make a realistic risk assessment.

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Sadly the source is unreliable described by Wiki as “ a conspiratorial website “

 

[_Mike_]

Conspiracy theories go here folks

The main board isnt the place for them

 

[Yidaki]

932 actives - with around 500 in the last 3 days and thankfully ICU patients have gone from 5 to 9.
That said these are not ICU numbers that justify a crisis let alone a lockdown.

ICU cases don't determine a lockdown. That is like waiting for a tsunami to hit before you run. Increasing case numbers are like buoys in the ocean going off letting you know shit is about to hit the fan.

 

[No SPIN]

off course it is!

what do you expect when one of points was that Snowden predicted a Corona Crisis. That’s the stuff of the conspiracy theorist like Drs Shiva, Buttar Kaufman etc who are making money pedaling lies.
Come on mate - while I agree with much of your posts when you expose your conspiratorial bent i have to draw the line.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

So which strategy are we following for VIC now:

(A) suppression

(B) NZ - elimination

(C) Sweden

Surely (b)??

You forgot D

Lock everyone up, set the cops loose, close our eyes and hope it goes away.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

...as I said, can't trust the people on the Peninsula to follow the rules. Thus why they needed to be locked down like the rest of Melbourne.

0 infections, they can do whatever they want.

 

[No SPIN]

ICU cases don't determine a lockdown. That is like waiting for a tsunami to hit before you run. Increasing case numbers are like buoys in the ocean going off letting you know sh*t is about to hit the fan.

when the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic it make no sense to lockdown ONLY when positives go up past an arbitrary level - given that the vast majority of people don’t need medical care.

And instead of pointing this fact out to calm the public we instead locked down with 5 people in ICU. And since the announcement of lockdown we’ve added 500 cases with the ICU number only going up by 4.

Where’s the crisis -remembering that we added 4000 ICU beds to actually cope with an expected “Tsunami”.

I’m not criticizing the Govt for preparing for the worst - that was appropriate. But to now act as if we have a major problem (whose scale is orders magnitude lower than projected) is disingenuous

 

[Forward Press]

when the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic it make no sense to lockdown ONLY when positives go up past an arbitrary level - given that the vast majority of people don’t need medical care.

And instead of pointing this fact out to calm the public we instead locked down with 5 people in ICU. And since the announcement of lockdown we’ve added 500 cases with the ICU number only going up by 4.

Where’s the crisis -remembering that we added 4000 ICU beds to actually cope with an expected “Tsunami”.

I’m not criticizing the Govt for preparing for the worst - that was appropriate. But to now act as if we have a major problem (whose scale is orders magnitude lower than projected) is disingenuous

People who test positive don't all go into the hospital or ICU straight away.

Not sure you're getting the premise of the argument. It is a certainty that there will be a significant increase in hospitalisations within a month - the lockdown is meant to mitigate this. There are many real life examples around the world of what happened when the lockdown was too late, when it was already spreading in the community - the later surge in hospitalisations completely overwhelmed health care systems in even first world countries.

 

[Senor M]

0 infections, they can do whatever they want.

Did I miss the announcement that the Mornington Peninsula isn't one of the LGA covered by the current Stage 3 restrictions?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Did I miss the announcement that the Mornington Peninsula isn't one of the LGA covered by the current Stage 3 restrictions?

0 infections, you said they can't be trusted, 0 infections says they can, keep being outraged.

 

[No SPIN]

People who test positive don't all go into the hospital or ICU straight away.

Not sure you're getting the premise of the argument. It is a certainty that there will be a significant increase in hospitalisations within a month - the lockdown is meant to mitigate this. There are many real life examples around the world of what happened when the lockdown was too late, when it was already spreading in the community - the later surge in hospitalisations completely overwhelmed health care systems in even first world countries.

i completely understand because someone had the same argument as yourself suggesting that it would be mayhem if we had 3,000 active cases. I then projected for him that even if we increased ICU hospitalization rate 5 fold to accommodate the lag, we would still only fill 100 ICU beds with 3000 active cases.
So the lag possess no substantial issues, I can however see how it is unnerving for some people, hence why I offered perspective with the extrapolation.

 

[Senor M]

0 infections, you said they can't be trusted, 0 infections says they can, keep being outraged.

Unable to answer my previous question??

Did I miss the announcement that the Mornington Peninsula isn't one of the LGA covered by the current Stage 3 restrictions?

The Mornington Peninsula LGA is currently under Stage 3 Lockdowns--- yes.

The Mornington Peninsula has had 63 confirmed cases & was one of the worst LGA's during the first wave--- yes.

People on the Mornington Peninsula have been seen lacking the ability to follow Stage 3 lockdowns & social distancing practices today in photos on social media-- yes.

That's what I'm saying..... the area has had more COVID cases than my local area and I live in the inner suburbs.

 

[The 747]

So which strategy are we following for VIC now:

(A) suppression

(B) NZ - elimination

(C) Sweden

Surely (b)??

Suppression, they expect cases but they are currently too high.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Unable to answer my previous question??



The Mornington Peninsula LGA is currently under Stage 3 Lockdowns--- yes.

The Mornington Peninsula has had 63 confirmed cases & was one of the worst LGA's during the first wave--- yes.

People on the Mornington Peninsula have been seen lacking the ability to follow Stage 3 lockdowns & social distancing practices today in photos on social media-- yes.

That's what I'm saying..... the area has had more COVID cases than my local area and I live in the inner suburbs.

You said they can't be trusted

...as I said, can't trust the people on the Peninsula to follow the rules. Thus why they needed to be locked down like the rest of Melbourne.

So please explain why they can't be trusted when they are currently on 0 active cases and have only seen 3 infections since May 7.

And as for lacking the ability to follow stage 3, you didn't get out today did you. You were a good little boy and did what you were ordered to do didn't you.

 

[Sterge]

Suppression, they expect cases but they are currently too high.

Supression is ****ing dumb it will just lead to rolling lockdowns with no promise of an actual vaccine just hopes and dreams

 

[Senor M]

You said they can't be trusted

Because they can't be.... the area has had 63 confirmed cases and their residents deliberately ignored self-isolation rules when they had tested positive back in March.

Now today they can't even follow the Stage 3 Restrictions the day after they've been reimposed. How thick do you have to be to ignore the health advice on the first day?

 

[JackOutback]

I could never understand why medical experts were claiming that kids couldn't spread the virus. It made no sense at all, are they a different species? Naturally, governments were going to take that advice on board and declare schools safe.

Because the human body is complicated. They might not know why, but children are still regarded as low level spreaders, the younger, the lower the spread. So it will be interesting to know if that cluster’s spread is from children or primarily adults spreading it around. They’ll be studying this for years.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Because they can't be.... the has 63 confirmed cases and their residents deliberately ignored self-isolation rules when they had tested positive back in March.

Now today they can't even follow the Stage 3 Restrictions the day after they've been reimposed. How thick do you have to be to ignore the health advice on the first day?

I see you have been on a rant about the beautiful Peninsula all day so i will just leave you with this.

If the MP were one of the worst back in April they are now equal best in July, it looks like WE learnt our lesson and are moving on with flying colours and are currently covid FREE and enjoying the beautiful sights this part of Victoria has to offer, maybe you inner city, westerners and northerners should do the same and stop thinking your shit doesn't stink and grow the **** up and stop ruining it for everyone who was doing the right thing.