Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 3

[Gralin]

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 4

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[Eagleboy68]

youre right. we should relocate 16 clubs to wa or sa to do whats best for 2 clubs instead of relocating 4 clubs to qld to do whats best for 14 clubs (while costing significantly less in relocation fees).

All 16 or maybe just 4 from victoria and 2 from sa.

I mean the AFL is all about fairness and equality given we couldn't train in groups of 10 until Victorians could

 

[Mateyman]

Again.
"Masks are effective only when used in combination with washing your hands.."

So wear them if you're caring for someone with covid and make sure you wash your hands otherwise there's no point wearing them.

And if youre at the shops they are effective only when used in combination with washing your hands so if they have bathrooms at the shops or ha d sanitizer than wash your hands.

It's pretty clear anyone with a brain and can read it says they aren't effective if you don't wash your hands.

Is there something you are struggling with?

Ok there's really no helping you

 

[Monkey King]

However the comment is this in the picture :

"Masks are effective only when used in combination with..."

This seems to indicate that masks are inneffective if you don't wash your hands etc.

Washing your hands has nothing to do with a mask's filtration capacity, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here.

Yes, of course you will not be effectively protected from a virus if you don't wash your hands and you rub your eyes and/or contaminate the mask during fitting and removal. No, that doesn't make tige19 correct. His debunking has been thoroughly debunked; even he gave up on it.

 

[kranky al]

You didn't answer. How much testing was conducted in Victoria in comparison to say WA,SA and QLD?

Until we had it totally under control the testing rates were about the same.

when victoria realised they were likely to lose the battle they upped their testing rates.

we are still testing thousands - and coming up with zeros or ones day in day out.

Again - we closed the borders and aggressively quarantined - we didnt wait till there was widespread community transmission - from day dot those off cruise ships were quarantined with heavy punishments handed out for breaking quarantine- we stuck people coming off cruise ships in quarantine on an island for 14 days so we never got the numbers over east did.

 

[Eagleboy68]

Ok there's really no helping you

Haha no. I'm just reading what it says without bias.

Are you without your love and support for monkeyman?

 

[Eagleboy68]

Washing your hands has nothing to do with a mask's filtration capacity, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here.

Yes, of course you will not be effectively protected from a virus if you don't wash your hands and you rub your eyes and/or contaminate the mask during fitting and removal. No, that doesn't make tige19 correct. His debunking has been thoroughly debunked; even he gave up on it.

Haha

It says, and it seems there's some people who are struggling to read I assume.

Masks are effective only when combined with hand washing etc.

It doesn't mention capacity.

You didn't quote it correctly. In fact you misquoted it altogether and insinuated it was effective when it isn't unless you take certain other measures.

Big difference

 

[tige19]

Until we had it totally under control the testing rates were about the same.

when victoria realised they were likely to lose the battle they upped their testing rates.

we are still testing thousands - and coming up with zeros or ones day in day out.

Again - we closed the borders and aggressively quarantined - we didnt wait till there was widespread community transmission - from day dot those off cruise ships were quarantined with heavy punishments handed out for breaking quarantine- we stuck people coming off cruise ships in quarantine on an island for 14 days so we never got the numbers over east did.

You are testing 1/3-1/4 of what Victoria is, no other way to dress it up.

 

[tige19]

Wowee, just watched the shitshow put on by Van Diemen with her press update, if she is a senior official in our battle against Corona then Victoria is well and truly in all sorts.

 

[kranky al]

You are testing 1/3-1/4 of what Victoria is, no other way to dress it up.

 

[kranky al]

You are testing 1/3-1/4 of what Victoria is, no other way to dress it up.

If we were getting positives id agree with you - if out of every days testing we were getting multiple positives you would have a case - the only positives weve had for weeks are those returning from overseas - all bar about 50 have been from overseas

We have had a total of 50 or so local transmissions in this whole covid debacle - because we went hard and went earlier - victoria has had nearly fifty local transmissions in the last week


Theres the testing rates state by state. Weve tested at 1/2 your per capita rate not 1/3

 

[Asapartyhat]

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If there was a catorgory for health care workers as in cleaners,catering,laundry that would account for just about all our 16 community spread cases in WA pretty much

 

[Monkey King]

Haha

It says, and it seems there's some people who are struggling to read I assume.

Masks are effective only when combined with hand washing etc.

It doesn't mention capacity.

You didn't quote it correctly. In fact you misquoted it altogether and insinuated it was effective when it isn't unless you take certain other measures.

Big difference

I assume this is just a weak troll attempt? Surely, no one can be this daft, can they?

The filtration capacity of a mask was the topic under discussion. Washing your hands has zero effect on filtration capacity.

That a "Mask use for Dummies" instructional points out you still need to practice hand hygiene is neither here nor there. It could also inform you that slipping a finger under the mask to scratch your nose would render the mask ineffective; it still means that when used correctly, masks are effective. That's the take away. You seem to understand the words, but fail to grasp the implication.

 

[Jupes]

So you're just going to ignore population growth okay then...

adjusted for population more people died in december 1993 (127/100k pop) and january 2000 (111/100k pop) compared to april this year (103/100k pop). based purely on the numbers the 93 flu season was over 20% worse than corona. similar story in the UK where the 98/99 and 99/00 flu seasons saw higher weekly death numbers adjusted per capita.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

adjusted for population more people died in december 1993 (127/100k pop) and january 2000 (111/100k pop) compared to april this year (103/100k pop). based purely on the numbers the 93 flu season was over 20% worse than corona. similar story in the UK where the 98/99 and 99/00 flu seasons saw higher weekly death numbers adjusted per capita.

Thank you

 

[Mateyman]

adjusted for population more people died in december 1993 (127/100k pop) and january 2000 (111/100k pop) compared to april this year (103/100k pop). based purely on the numbers the 93 flu season was over 20% worse than corona. similar story in the UK where the 98/99 and 99/00 flu seasons saw higher weekly death numbers adjusted per capita.

That is those outbreaks after they were allowed o run their course, with no distancing implemented. That is a completely different kettle of fish to this, where the outbreak would still have been in its very early stages without intervention (as evidenced by the vast majority of evidence suggested only a very small proportion of populations such as the UK's have been infected by the virus).

 

[kranky al]

adjusted for population more people died in december 1993 (127/100k pop) and january 2000 (111/100k pop) compared to april this year (103/100k pop). based purely on the numbers the 93 flu season was over 20% worse than corona. similar story in the UK where the 98/99 and 99/00 flu seasons saw higher weekly death numbers adjusted per capita.

With the huge huge difference

there was no lockdown in those years - so no effort whatsoever to stop it - and thats the stats for an entire year vs a few months....

 

[Jupes]

With the huge huge difference

there was no lockdown in those years - so no effort whatsoever to stop it - and thats the stats for an entire year vs a few months....

no those are single month death tolls.

 

[Mateyman]

no those are single month death tolls.

From the peak of an unmitigated outbreak. Not comparable to the 'peak' of an outbreak with vast mitigation measures in place.

 

[Jupes]

From the peak of an unmitigated outbreak. Not comparable to the 'peak' of an outbreak with vast mitigation measures in place.

it's sweden mate

 

[Hawkk]

Wowee, just watched the shitshow put on by Van Diemen with her press update, if she is a senior official in our battle against Corona then Victoria is well and truly in all sorts.

Did she mention 1770

 

[tige19]

President Trumps final few paragraphs of the his letter to that criminal Tedros from the WHO. Brilliantly put, I hope the WHO is completely shredded from the top down.

 

[tige19]

If we were getting positives id agree with you - if out of every days testing we were getting multiple positives you would have a case - the only positives weve had for weeks are those returning from overseas - all bar about 50 have been from overseas

We have had a total of 50 or so local transmissions in this whole covid debacle - because we went hard and went earlier - victoria has had nearly fifty local transmissions in the last week


Theres the testing rates state by state. Weve tested at 1/2 your per capita rate not 1/3



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WA leading the charge, it’s great

 

[Mateyman]

it's sweden mate

Yes, which still has extensive mitigation measures in place, in case you've missed it. They've closed universities, the population are urged to stay home, domestic traffic is massively down etc. The restrictions are just lesser than here. This doesn't mean substantial mitigation efforts have not been put in place. Their active case numbers are also still increasing, so decent evidence they are not at the peak of their outbreak yet. So again, misleading to compare this to other outbreaks at their peak.

 

[Asapartyhat]

WA leading the charge, it’s great

What charge ? WA Borders stay closed review in two months time more or less .

 

[tige19]

What charge ? WA Borders stay closed review in two months time more or less .

God, whatever.. WA has done well, it’s a compliment, accept it and move on. I hope your good news continues.