News Coronavirus Thread

[Val Keating]

How do you know that Val?

There's a reasonable zoonotic premise that it came via bats through canines, so it could have just as easily come from a bat (dies)-domestic dog (finds dead bat) -human interaction (dog licks humans face/hand) here in Australia.

Did you know that there are 4 genotypes of coronavirus in Australian bats?



The opinions of woke morons are to be excluded from all adult discussions.

How do I know that? Same as everyone else, because that’s what I’m told. Unless I want to go Alex Jones rabbit hole and dive into why this virus came out of the same province that coincidentally has the China’s virology lab.

There's nothing racist about being concerned about unhealthy conditions that spread disease.

But running Wubonic Plague and Kung Flu shit, which is what a President who has spent the last 18 months picking a fight with China is saying?

That President clearly wants people to blame anyone but him for the deaths and economic dislocation happening there.

China is notoriously thin skinned and millions of words have been written about the Thucydides Trap ... a rising power that thinks it is being held back by the established power.

So,in a situation of severe economic downturn, when you have two monumentally unstable and self obsesed world leaders in Xi Jinping and Donald Trump (and Xi the more unstable and dangerous of the two) is it really a good idea to go around blaming China and the Chinese for the disease, especially when everyone has nukes.

Or is it better to blame shitty and unhealthy sanitary practices?

This is a really dangerous moment, throwing fuel on the fire isn't wise.

Christ. Don’t know what to make of that to be honest.

 

[Tectonic]

Yeah. From an economic pov. From the pov of the planet and non human life it's already paying off apparently.

So it's possibly an eco-conspiracy?

 

[Ether]

There's nothing racist about being concerned about unhealthy conditions that spread disease.

But running Wubonic Plague and Kung Flu shit, which is what a President who has spent the last 18 months picking a fight with China is saying?

That President clearly wants people to blame anyone but him for the deaths and economic dislocation happening there.

China is notoriously thin skinned and millions of words have been written about the Thucydides Trap ... a rising power that thinks it is being held back by the established power.

So,in a situation of severe economic downturn, when you have two monumentally unstable and self obsesed world leaders in Xi Jinping and Donald Trump (and Xi the more unstable and dangerous of the two) is it really a good idea to go around blaming China and the Chinese for the disease, especially when everyone has nukes.

Or is it better to blame shitty and unhealthy sanitary practices?

This is a really dangerous moment, throwing fuel on the fire isn't wise.

Whether it's a deliberate distraction from the domestic situation is debatable but stirring up antipathy towards China has been policy for a while now. This just reinforces the narrative that "getting tough on China" was the right thing to do.

 

[Del191229]

I said I would stay out of this thread for a while and I plan to do, with the following exception.

The irony in this is something else.

Your right to congregate has been taken from you. Your right to do business has been heavily curtailed.

And you believe that the government is doing this because they love you and care about you.

Here in Kuala Lumpur, the military is on the streets from Sunday. It is martial law.

And you will be defending the same thing happening in Australia if / when it comes to that, won't you?

And you will proclaim that I am somehow defending the 'rich people who despise me' when that is what people like you are in fact doing.

Happy to throw away your rights because the the same liars who brought you Nayirah and WMDs have now brought you a War on Germs.

Just like the War on Terror, it is a case of scare the bejesus out of them now, worry about democracy later.

Watch the idiotic masses swallow is whole and shout down anybody who says, 'guys, what about democracy?'

No I won't be defending martial law.

Idiot.

 

[ferball]

So it's possibly an eco-conspiracy?

No. Just a side effect. I was about to edit it to say it's hardly Bob Page running the Gray Death, to follow your video game reference.

It wouldn't surprise me if at some point an eco conspiracy does something similar but more deadly. It'll probably be possible to home cook Flu Ebola and COVIDAnthrax soon enough, if it isn't already.

Ever seen Twelve Monkeys?

 

[ferball]

How do you know that Val?

There's a reasonable zoonotic premise that it came via bats through canines, so it could have just as easily come from a bat (dies)-domestic dog (finds dead bat) -human interaction (dog licks humans face/hand) here in Australia.

Did you know that there are 4 genotypes of coronavirus in Australian bats?



The opinions of woke morons are to be excluded from all adult discussions.

Human via horse from bat killed Vic Rail.

 

[Del191229]

How do I know that? Same as everyone else, because that’s what I’m told. Unless I want to go Alex Jones rabbit hole and dive into why this virus came out of the same province that coincidentally has the China’s virology lab.





Christ. Don’t know what to make of that to be honest.

Fwiw in case I wasn't clear, I don't think you're racist, far from it.

The frustrating thing is that the Chinese government KNOW the markets are a problem.

They banned them and shut them down after SARS.

 

[Gasometer]

Read Caros article

Doesn’t mention North

Think she raises some worthy points actually.

 

[ferball]

Vic Rail died from a similar situation to what you describe but bat - horse - human here in Oz

Just posted that. These bats are everywhere. That happened just up the road from here and the precautions that are still advised to stop Hendra are fairly rigorous for horse owners.

 

[Gasometer]

The wartime analogies that always seemed so disproportionate in the lead-up to Collingwood- Essendon on Anzac Days past now seem alarmingly appropriate as they roll across a shell-shocked AFL.
Eddie McGuire, a member of the emergency cabinet formed to navigate the gamethrough its greatest crisis, likened the coronavirus epidemic to a "nuclear bomb dropped on the competition" as indeed it has been on the entire country. The crisis cabinet's very existence invokes images of World War II.

The season got under way at the MCG on Thursday night, but there were not crowds to see it.CREDIT:AAP
At a time when mental health has become an AFL first-order priority, players as "conscientious objectors" have become part of the narrative as some footballers rightly wrestle with the risk imposed on themselves – and their loved ones – by playing.
Many players remain deeply uncomfortable with being forced to travel around Australia to play football when almost everyone else is being advised to stay home. Along with the notion of bolstering AFL squads with extra soldiers whose regular second-tier football careers have been put on ice.
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Football grounds are not battlefields and to be fair to players' union boss Paul Marsh, he never used the word sacrifice in the context of his 800 or so members. But he did insist it was the footballers who are taking some risk by taking the field and therefore shouldering the burden on behalf of the entire industry as it fights for survival.
Marsh said he was disgusted that the players had been portrayed as mercenaries in resisting the initial call by AFL boss Gillon McLachlan to shorten the 2020 season to 17 rounds but the AFL Players' Association still seems out of step with the size of the threat to clubs.

Particularly when the AFLPA boss mentions the complexity of players' contracts, citing performance clauses and back-ended agreements as taking time to renegotiate – at a time the AFL is attempting to secure a $250 million interest-free loan from the Victorian government to keep the industry afloat.
Football is too busy working to remain afloat in the short term to seriously contemplate the long term, but there is no doubt the AFL post-coronavirus and potentially an extended depression will look very different to the competition that looked headed for another bumper season back in February.

To think that club presidents and CEOs only 10 days ago were debating the pros and cons of a new team – Tasmania – entering the competition. To think that clubs were complaining they could not strip their football departments much further in order to meet a $10 million soft cap.
Clearly the game's indulgent inflationary tendencies are not to blame for the current state of affairs but the perilous financial positions of at least half the clubs in the competition has left it frighteningly vulnerable.


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Richmond start strong in eerie opener

It was a strange, quiet arena at the MCG but that didn't stop the Champions from dominating the Blues in the opening match of the 2020 AFL season.
The 18 senior coaches have already agreed to a 20 per cent pay cut, like many club staffers, but that swift gesture could prove far too small come the long, cold winter. The salaries earned by coaches and their assistants across the competition look set for a significant recalibration.
Just as company directors, executives and workers across Australia are being forced to change their work habits and learning that cutting back travel and spending more time at home with their families has provided one silver lining, club bosses, too, are re-examining how their businesses are run.
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McLachlan and his team have been searching for ways to shorten games for some years. Shorter quarters look certain to prove another legacy of this crisis along with an extended finals series currently being explored for 2020 should we actually get that far.
The fact that football has gone ahead at all over this weekend certainly presents a new form of propaganda as jobs are lost and businesses fold, but then again it was in the last war that we also turned to sporting heroes, among others, for some emotional salvation.

 

[Val Keating]

Fwiw in case I wasn't clear, I don't think you're racist, far from it.

The frustrating thing is that the Chinese government KNOW the markets are a problem.

They banned them and shut them down after SARS.

All good, I know what you meant.

Didn’t know they banned the markets though. Be great if they used the same power as they did to shut down Wuhan

 

[Horace]

I said I would stay out of this thread for a while and I plan to do, with the following exception.

The irony in this is something else.

Your right to congregate has been taken from you. Your right to do business has been heavily curtailed.

And you believe that the government is doing this because they love you and care about you.

Here in Kuala Lumpur, the military is on the streets from Sunday. It is martial law.

And you will be defending the same thing happening in Australia if / when it comes to that, won't you?

And you will proclaim that I am somehow defending the 'rich people who despise me' when that is what people like you are in fact doing.

Happy to throw away your rights because the the same liars who brought you Nayirah and WMDs have now brought you a War on Germs.

Just like the War on Terror, it is a case of scare the bejesus out of them now, worry about democracy later.

Watch the idiotic masses swallow this whole and shout down anybody who says, 'guys, what about democracy?'

Rubbish. Its a worldwide campaign to try to save people from dying.

You are definitely delusional.

 

[Val Keating]

The wartime analogies that always seemed so disproportionate in the lead-up to Collingwood- Essendon on Anzac Days past now seem alarmingly appropriate as they roll across a shell-shocked AFL.
Eddie McGuire, a member of the emergency cabinet formed to navigate the gamethrough its greatest crisis, likened the coronavirus epidemic to a "nuclear bomb dropped on the competition" as indeed it has been on the entire country. The crisis cabinet's very existence invokes images of World War II.

The season got under way at the MCG on Thursday night, but there were not crowds to see it.CREDIT:AAP
At a time when mental health has become an AFL first-order priority, players as "conscientious objectors" have become part of the narrative as some footballers rightly wrestle with the risk imposed on themselves – and their loved ones – by playing.
Many players remain deeply uncomfortable with being forced to travel around Australia to play football when almost everyone else is being advised to stay home. Along with the notion of bolstering AFL squads with extra soldiers whose regular second-tier football careers have been put on ice.
Advertisement

Football grounds are not battlefields and to be fair to players' union boss Paul Marsh, he never used the word sacrifice in the context of his 800 or so members. But he did insist it was the footballers who are taking some risk by taking the field and therefore shouldering the burden on behalf of the entire industry as it fights for survival.
Marsh said he was disgusted that the players had been portrayed as mercenaries in resisting the initial call by AFL boss Gillon McLachlan to shorten the 2020 season to 17 rounds but the AFL Players' Association still seems out of step with the size of the threat to clubs.

Particularly when the AFLPA boss mentions the complexity of players' contracts, citing performance clauses and back-ended agreements as taking time to renegotiate – at a time the AFL is attempting to secure a $250 million interest-free loan from the Victorian government to keep the industry afloat.
Football is too busy working to remain afloat in the short term to seriously contemplate the long term, but there is no doubt the AFL post-coronavirus and potentially an extended depression will look very different to the competition that looked headed for another bumper season back in February.

To think that club presidents and CEOs only 10 days ago were debating the pros and cons of a new team – Tasmania – entering the competition. To think that clubs were complaining they could not strip their football departments much further in order to meet a $10 million soft cap.
Clearly the game's indulgent inflationary tendencies are not to blame for the current state of affairs but the perilous financial positions of at least half the clubs in the competition has left it frighteningly vulnerable.


Play Video

Play video
1:30
Richmond start strong in eerie opener

It was a strange, quiet arena at the MCG but that didn't stop the Champions from dominating the Blues in the opening match of the 2020 AFL season.
The 18 senior coaches have already agreed to a 20 per cent pay cut, like many club staffers, but that swift gesture could prove far too small come the long, cold winter. The salaries earned by coaches and their assistants across the competition look set for a significant recalibration.
Just as company directors, executives and workers across Australia are being forced to change their work habits and learning that cutting back travel and spending more time at home with their families has provided one silver lining, club bosses, too, are re-examining how their businesses are run.
Advertisement

McLachlan and his team have been searching for ways to shorten games for some years. Shorter quarters look certain to prove another legacy of this crisis along with an extended finals series currently being explored for 2020 should we actually get that far.
The fact that football has gone ahead at all over this weekend certainly presents a new form of propaganda as jobs are lost and businesses fold, but then again it was in the last war that we also turned to sporting heroes, among others, for some emotional salvation.

Honestly don’t like it. She states not to draw comparisons to war but then used it as a platform to set her article up?

We don’t know hardship compared to our previous generations.

 

[Supreme_Chancellor]

It is funny how all the edgelords who think they are independent thinkers standing against the brainwashed masses all sound the same, have the same lines.

And these lines all emerge from think tanks funded by obscenely wealthy Americans and Brits who disseminate the stuff on social media.

The edgelords pick up these ideas from social media, unaware of just how effectively their brains are being manipulated by by the social media technology (the closest example is pokie addiction, although meth works as well) and run with them, all **** a hoop in the dopamine rush of being transgressive and "outlaws" who call it as it is, not how the sooks and snowflakes want it.

Once these ideas have circulated online long enough via the edgelords and then boomer memes, they get laundered into the discourse via NewsCorp journos, and then into the mainstream political discourse.

You can see it plain as day - Rita Panahi running the Wubonic plague and Chinese virus shit.

It isn't just funny that you could take the posts of mouncey2franklin or Boomer29er or Shorts Steps and change the names and the lines are the same.

It is almost depressing that these imbeciles don't realise they are running an agenda for rich people who despise them, who have a truly sick vision for human society (Peter Thiel ...) in which they, the edgelords and independent thinkers, will not do at all well.

I hope to one day realise how criticising rich people who have sick visions for human society, is in fact me running an agenda for rich people with sick visions for human society? Thank you JLG, You are a true political prodigy. I’m amazed that I stuck in your mind after our last encounter on this thread. I was willing to just put is beside me and continue talking footy on the other threads. I guess someone got a little rattled by people having different opinions on political issues.

 

[Val Keating]

Anyway....all these morons are buying frozen food. Australia produces enough food to feed 100,000,000 people and only has a population of 25,000,000. With our borders closed we’ll have more then we need.

 

[Tectonic]

No. Just a side effect. I was about to edit it to say it's hardly Bob Page running the Gray Death, to follow your video game reference.

It wouldn't surprise me if at some point an eco conspiracy does something similar but more deadly. It'll probably be possible to home cook Flu Ebola and COVIDAnthrax soon enough, if it isn't already.

Ever seen Twelve Monkeys?

Deux ex is great, 12 monkeys is a fascinating film. I've always loved a good plague disaster story. It's much less entertaining when you are enduring the gradual death of an industry you've spent 15 years in, but thems the breaks I guess.

My point remains though, that the government is reaching as far as they deem necessary.. probably slightly further in reach because why not push the limits when an opportunity presents.. but the scale of intervention and ruin is absolutely off the charts for what mouncey2franklin considers just a flu.
So either he's wrong, or there's a cabal of individuals with the resources to reshape the world as we know it within 1 month with an eye to make bank in 30 years time.
I could see it in like, the Arab spring, where regimes and behaviors changed rapidly in a certain region but for the whole planet to be taking these measures.. it's a hell of a conspiracy if that's the truth behind it.

Personally I just think it's a bad flu and nations don't want their hospitals to be shattered by demand over the next 6-12 months.

 

[Ether]

I said I would stay out of this thread for a while and I plan to do, with the following exception.

The irony in this is something else.

Your right to congregate has been taken from you. Your right to do business has been heavily curtailed.

And you believe that the government is doing this because they love you and care about you.

Here in Kuala Lumpur, the military is on the streets from Sunday. It is martial law.

And you will be defending the same thing happening in Australia if / when it comes to that, won't you?

And you will proclaim that I am somehow defending the 'rich people who despise me' when that is what people like you are in fact doing.

Happy to throw away your rights because the the same liars who brought you Nayirah and WMDs have now brought you a War on Germs.

Just like the War on Terror, it is a case of scare the bejesus out of them now, worry about democracy later.

Watch the idiotic masses swallow this whole and shout down anybody who says, 'guys, what about democracy?'

I know there's no point going here as it appears to suit your world view to find conspiracies wherever you look but when there's a pandemic afoot I'm going to listen to epidemiologists. They aren't all in lockstep but broadly they are saying this is what we should be doing. Can you seriously not see the difference between this and WMD? Saying that because someone lied once, everyone always lies (in totally different circumstances) is just intellectual laziness.

 

[Horace]

Deux ex is great, 12 monkeys is a fascinating film. I've always loved a good plague disaster story. It's much less entertaining when you are enduring the gradual death of an industry you've spent 15 years in, but thems the breaks I guess.

My point remains though, that the government is reaching as far as they deem necessary.. probably slightly further in reach because why not push the limits when an opportunity presents.. but the scale of intervention and ruin is absolutely off the charts for what mouncey2franklin considers just a flu.
So either he's wrong, or there's a cabal of individuals with the resources to reshape the world as we know it within 1 month with an eye to make bank in 30 years time.
I could see it in like, the Arab spring, where regimes and behaviors changed rapidly in a certain region but for the whole planet to be taking these measures.. it's a hell of a conspiracy if that's the truth behind it.

Personally I just think it's a bad flu and nations don't want their hospitals to be shattered by demand over the next 6-12 months.

I'm happy to run as good a conspiracy theory as the next man or woman, but this is no conspiracy.

This is a deadly new strain of coronavirus given the name covid-19. Because it is new, no-one's immune system has met up with it and had the chance to build some sort of immunity to it.

We will probably wake up tomorrow to see that it has killed around 10000 people worldwide. No-one would allow this to happen unless they themselves had an antidote. Certainly the Politicians wouldn't because some of them might die from it too.

But while the Politicians are directing what should or should not happen to tackle it and try to save lives, I rely entirely on the views of some of the most brilliant brains in the medical field to advise and tell the Politicians what to do. We are very lucky to have some of the best brains in the world working on this, advising on this, at The Peter Doherty Institute, attached to The University of Melbourne and The Royal Melbourne Hospital. I doubt if any Government could get them to agree to be part of some bizarre conspiracy to change the world as we know it.

Doherty Institute | Infectious Disease & Public Health Research

The Doherty Institute leads infectious disease research, public health and diagnostics to improve global health and respond to emerging threats.

www.doherty.edu.au

 

[Tectonic]

I'm happy to run as good a conspiracy theory as the next man or woman, but this is no conspiracy.

This is a deadly new strain of coronavirus given the name covid-19. Because it is new, no-one's immune system has met up with it and had the chance to build some sort of immunity to it.

We will probably wake up tomorrow to see that it has killed around 10000 people worldwide. No-one would allow this to happen unless they themselves had an antidote. Certainly the Politicians wouldn't because some of them might die from it too.

But while the Politicians are directing what should or should not happen to tackle it and try to save lives, I rely entirely on the views of some of the most brilliant brains in the medical field to advise and tell the Politicians what to do. We are very lucky to have some of the best brains in the world working on this, advising on this, at The Peter Doherty Institute, attached to The University of Melbourne and The Royal Melbourne Hospital. I doubt if any Government could get them to agree to be part of some bizarre conspiracy to change the world as we know it.

Doherty Institute | Infectious Disease & Public Health Research

The Doherty Institute leads infectious disease research, public health and diagnostics to improve global health and respond to emerging threats.

www.doherty.edu.au

Absolutely.
If my whole industry can be destroyed overnight.. and many others around the world.. I cannot fathom how this can be interpreted as a way for the powers that be to consolidate their hold on their nations.
Occam's razor applies here, and the lad who I've been aiming my replies to has it the wrong way around.

 

[king of the road]

Anyway. Things are getting very BF in here... Back to footy and COVID19.

The AFL have said they will stop playing for 30 days should a player test positive to C19.
Some players have been quarantined with cold symptoms.
I think they will wait to test them until the end of Rd 1.
No test prior. No confirmed cases. No stop games.
Inevitably, law of averages, a player will test positive soon enough... When they’re tested after Rd 1.
Result: Enjoy RD 1. Likely be all we get.

 

[giantroo]

For those who still have kids in school.

 

[Tas]

Wow, there are more haymakers being thrown in this thread than in Woolworths over the last pack of toilet paper. :stern look

On a more serious note... I don't get it, why not have each school have a class or two or whatever remain open for the kids of essential service workers and make the rest stay home.

 

[Hojuman]

UK government publishes it's list of essential key workers.

Journos there, flog edgelords not.

Telling.

Interesting. Royals not mentioned.

 

[Hojuman]

F**k me. Never thought l'd see this in Manila.

 

[Gasometer]

Anyway....all these morons are buying frozen food. Australia produces enough food to feed 100,000,000 people and only has a population of 25,000,000. With our borders closed we’ll have more then we need.

I bought frozen last Sunday because we didn’t have any fresh veggies left in the shelves.

I hardly say I was a moron for doing that