News Coronavirus Thread

[andana]

From LA Times

The masks are long gone, replaced by face covers fashioned from pillowcases. Cleaning supplies are dwindling. And when Maria Cecilia Lim, a licensed vocational nurse at an Orange County nursing home, needs a sterile gown, she reaches for a raincoat bought off the rack by desperate co-workers.

“This is just one raincoat that we have to keep reusing,” Lim said last week between shifts at the Healthcare Center of Orange County, a 100-bed nursing facility in Buena Park. “A lot of people are using it.”

In thousands of facilities that house California’s elderly and infirm, this escalating scarcity driven by the spread of the coronavirus is forcing nurses and medical assistants on the front lines to employ creativity and pluck to combat a deadly pandemic.

Before the pandemic, Verrett said, workers often used N95 masks once and then tossed them out. The advice now, she said, is, “Hold on to it for your dear life, clean it every day.”

• With the usual supply chain upended, owners of nursing homes have made trips to Sally Beauty Supply and AutoZone, with mixed luck, Verrett said. One facility that ran out of plastic sleeves to cover the thermometer improvised by using sandwich bags.

In lieu of sterile isolation gowns, staffers at the Los Angeles Jewish Home for the Aging are sewing sleeves onto the cloth garments typically used by patients. Underneath, workers don a trash bag for heightened protection.

“Can you imagine that clinicians have to wear trash bags in order to provide care to the greatest generation in the history of our time? It’s just unreasonable,” said Dr. Noah Marco,

 

[EDFL follower]

It's not that simple..

So everyone gets a basic stipend from the government, probably akin to normal jobseeker.
As a run off effect from that;

-You do away with the tax free threshold
-full time work is no longer necessary
-this leads to more people in jobs because 3 part timers can fill the role of 2 full timers
-more people earning = more people paying taxes
-you can build into the system safeguards to do away with cash jobs, leading to more revenue for the state
-more revenue (state and personal)= more spending, leading to more jobs and growth

What safeguards can be put into place to get rid of cash jobs??

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[ferball]

Sorry it was an autocorrect error. I didn't mean for arbitrary to even be in there

No worries. I get them too. Especially on older apple products. This phone just seems to make the same post 30 times.

 

[kaboom kid]

Yeah, I don't know ferbs, I honestly don't even know who he is.

The point I was initially making with my post though was about the weight of balance of the pitchforks always being directed at alternative modalities. You simply cannot criticise alternative medicine without acknowledging the serious harm that western medicine is capable of and has done. All the double-blind peer-reviewed testing in the world doesn't mean that a drug is guaranteed to be either safe or effective. Western medicine has just as much potential to cause harm than anything else, and in this case, the drug Trump has been telling over three hundred million people to take has way more potential to harm those people than some light waves found in nature could cause to the comparatively paltry number of people following a social media account.

Sorry, all this is not aimed at you ferbs. I know you're open to the balances of perspectives. But yeah, that was the original point of my post, just to stop singling out alternative medicine as being the only thing out there that could either cause harm or not work. There's plenty of that in Western medicine too. Even after all the peer-reviewed testing and "science".

The pitchforks are not always directed at alternative modalities. Look at the growing influence of the anti-vaccination and 'big pharma' movements. Those folks are well and truly directing their pitchforks at Western style medicine.

 

[Groin guru]

If we are talking about this virus and his response then actually it does belong here. He is still sending out mixed messages and just today or last night Fauci said earlier social distancing could have saved lives.

At the same time other Republican politicians have said they were following Trump's cues, for example the Gov of Florida, the US' retirement village. Florida only introduced Social D the day after April Fools ...

That is very specific to this virus and that individual.

In Italy, where similar mistakes were made they were very quick to say they had stuffed up and advise others not to copy them.

Obviously it is relevant but it's every second post in here. Then it turns into a Trump bash. That's what the international politics board is for. I know you like your one-sided echo chamber but lets not turn the Covid19 North thread into another US politics thread.

 

[Horace]

Splendid. Donny boy re-writing medical science. What a guy.

Trump mocked for 'brilliant germ' and antibiotics comment

Trump has been mercilessly mocked online for his weird coronavirus ramble.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Horace]

Obviously it is relevant but it's every second post in here. Then it turns into a Trump bash. That's what the international politics board is for. I know you like your one-sided echo chamber but lets not turn the Covid19 North thread into another US politics thread.

Trump's actions, or lack thereof, are relevant. In my opinion, as a result of his failure to read the play and listen to his Medical Advisers, it is reasonable to conclude that more Americans have died than should have. The bloke is a moron of the highest order. Always has been and always will be.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Obviously it is relevant but it's every second post in here. Then it turns into a Trump bash. That's what the international politics board is for. I know you like your one-sided echo chamber but lets not turn the Covid19 North thread into another US politics thread.

The pathetic response is a legitimate topic. You don’t have to read it.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Obviously it is relevant but it's every second post in here. Then it turns into a Trump bash. That's what the international politics board is for. I know you like your one-sided echo chamber but lets not turn the Covid19 North thread into another US politics thread.

The curious thing is that the same people who are constantly utiliizing him as the lightning rod for a world wide pandemic, are doing it by first assigning a level of intellectual capacity that he does not have, and then tearing that down. Truly bizarre psychology. It's a straw man on steroids.

 

[Masked Avenger]

It will take stagnant money from the wealthy and put it in pockets of spenders.

Not unless they fix the tax system first it won't. For a so called progressive, agile and 21st century economy, we have a flawed tax system. Our company taxation laws need an overhaul and we need to abolish family trusts and rethink negative gearing. The PAYG taxpayers, presumably the exceeding majority of us on this board and the bulk of the population, would then pay less tax and circulate more cash through the economy.

 

[Caracas]

Trump's actions, or lack thereof, are relevant. In my opinion, as a result of his failure to read the play and listen to his Medical Advisers, it is reasonable to conclude that more Americans have died than should have. The bloke is a moron of the highest order. Always has been and always will be.

I’ve always thought of him as a boor more than a moron, Horace. I’m still struggling to explain how both France and the UK have far higher fatality rates than the US - without the involvement of Trump. Maybe, that will change - who knows?


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[La Flama Blanca]

How would this work exactly?
Everyone gets x amount of money off the government each week?
How does this help the economy?

Your first $50K is spent on basic needs within the local economy. The multiplier effect is very strong. The only reason actual welfare hasn't been given in this country in the past is because industry was growing and people needed to be incentivised to contribute their labour to it. Currently that is not the case - and probably won't be the case in the future - rendering it largely punishment for being unlucky rather than the "kick up the ass" it was in the past.

We're not America. Anyone who has made good money in this country knows half of that money goes straight to tax. That's OK, but if that's our obligation on one end there should be a safety net for us on the other end.

 

[Horace]

I’ve always thought of him as a boor more than a moron, Horace. I’m still struggling to explain how both France and the UK have far higher fatality rates than the US - without the involvement of Trump. Maybe, that will change - who knows?


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Yes it is quite curious that the US death rate is just under 4% of confirmed cases, while France is now just over 15% of confirmed cases. Maybe there has been far more testing in the US, which might account for the different death rates. As the number of confirmed case slows, however we are seeing an increased death rate in nearly all countries. We are now up to 0.97% of confirmed cases and on current trends it will cross the 1% mark in the not too distant future.

 

[Groin guru]

The curious thing is that the same people who are constantly utiliizing him as the lightning rod for a world wide pandemic, are doing it by first assigning a level of intellectual capacity that he does not have, and then tearing that down. Truly bizarre psychology. It's a straw man on steroids.

It's truly amazing.

My favourite is how people base opinions on heresay, articles using the "sources suggest" and zero insight. It's crazy that so many members of the North board are in the White House Coronavirus task force.

 

[Snake_Baker]

It's truly amazing.

My favourite is how people base opinions on heresay, articles using the "sources suggest" and zero insight. It's crazy that so many members of the North board are in the White House Coronavirus task force.

...............and yet know sweet **** all about actual virology.............

 

[Groin guru]

For the movies buffs in here:

This youtuber posts some great viewpoints and breakdowns.

If you haven't seen the movie 'Contagion' it's worth a watch. I didn't mind it at the time but after watching the 'Like stories of old' video I went back to it. Interestingly in that movie the pandemic started because of a bat.

 

[gokangas]

Dan Andrews continues his terrible comms. Yet again he makes a policy today, corrects it tomorrow. The ban on all inspections of homes for sale was never going to stick. So today he back tracks and allows private inspections. I ask again - in terms of PR and Comms, who the hell is advising him because they have stuffed up yet again.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Dan Andrews continues his terrible comms. Yet again he makes a policy today, corrects it tomorrow. The ban on all inspections of homes for sale was never going to stick. So today he back tracks and allows private inspections. I ask again - in terms of PR and Comms, who the hell is advising him because they have stuffed up yet again.

None of them really know what they are doing outside of specialist guidance, but some of them are held to higher levels of accountability anyway.

Politicians are massively overrated.

 

[Caracas]

None of them really know what they are doing outside of specialist guidance, but some of them are held to higher levels of accountability anyway.

Politicians are massively overrated.

... but, who could we blame if they didn’t exist Snake? Ourselves?


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[Snake_Baker]

... but, who could we blame if they didn’t exist Snake? Ourselves?

This is definitely worth philosophically unpacking.

Indeed, why do we constantly look for "blame"?

Have we invested so deeply in the bureaucratic nightmare that every single event must be the responsibility of someone in some government department, who we have accepted as having control over our lives? Did we really give away our autonomy without the slightest resistance?

The truly alarming thing for me, is that people want even MORE of this in their lives.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Interestingly in that movie the pandemic started because of a bat.

Bats make up ~25% of mammalian species and their ability to fly makes them dynamic viral vectors which warrants special significance with human viral disease.

 

[gokangas]

Was someone really fined in Melbourne for going to the cemetery to place flowers on a grave?

 

[Only Forwards]

The absolute best part of the American political circus is that most of us get to watch it from the other side of the world in a society with free health care.

Our systems may be flawed their's are completely f***ed. With individuals merely being symptoms of how f***ed it is.

 

[Horace]

Dan Andrews continues his terrible comms. Yet again he makes a policy today, corrects it tomorrow. The ban on all inspections of homes for sale was never going to stick. So today he back tracks and allows private inspections. I ask again - in terms of PR and Comms, who the hell is advising him because they have stuffed up yet again.

Rattle on gk. You love sticking the boots into Daniel Andrews, but the facts are that he, Gladys in NSW, and all the other State leaders along with Morrison, Hunt and company, have done a terrific job in this. It would appear that you just like to show your political bias; well guess what, the bipartisanship shown in this crisis has been in my view absolutely commendable.

Being prepared to change something if it is not working properly, to me sounds much more like sensible decision making rather than your very critical "in terms of PR and Comms, who the hell is advising him because they have stuffed up yet again." comment.