News Coronavirus Thread

[Snake_Baker]

Get your peepers on this GG.

Hot off the presses:

Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

RESULTS

The ABO group in 3694 normal people in Wuhan showed a distribution of 32.16%, 24.90%, 9.10% and 33.84% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, versus the distribution of 37.75%, 26.42%, 10.03% and 25.80% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, in 1,775 COVID-19 patients from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital. The proportion of blood group A and O in COVID-19 patients were significantly higher and lower, respectively, than that in normal people (both P < 0.001). Similar ABO distribution pattern was observed in 398 patients from another two hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen. Meta-analyses on the pooled data showed that blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups. In addition, the influence of age and gender on the ABO blood group distribution in patients with COVID-19 from two Wuhan hospitals (1,888 patients) were analyzed and found that age and gender do not have much effect on the distribution.

CONCLUSION

People with blood group A have a significantly higher risk for acquiring COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O has a significantly lower risk for the infection compared with non-O blood groups.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Someone told you to go and educate yourself. Please do so now.

Here's a professor, he knows more about this than I do:

 

[mouncey2franklin]

About 10k to 15k annually die of the flu in Italy. Now think that Covid 19 is at least equally as infectious as the flu and the mortality rate is conservatively 10 times higher.

Is that among all cases, or specifically among the elderly?

I've read wildly conflicting estimates, and that is all they are, estimates.

 

[ferball]

...........and there's ANOTHER take home point:

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That's still effectively one in one hundred people.

That's high.

 

[Groin guru]

Get your peepers on this GG.

Hot off the presses:

Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

RESULTS

The ABO group in 3694 normal people in Wuhan showed a distribution of 32.16%, 24.90%, 9.10% and 33.84% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, versus the distribution of 37.75%, 26.42%, 10.03% and 25.80% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, in 1,775 COVID-19 patients from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital. The proportion of blood group A and O in COVID-19 patients were significantly higher and lower, respectively, than that in normal people (both P < 0.001). Similar ABO distribution pattern was observed in 398 patients from another two hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen. Meta-analyses on the pooled data showed that blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups. In addition, the influence of age and gender on the ABO blood group distribution in patients with COVID-19 from two Wuhan hospitals (1,888 patients) were analyzed and found that age and gender do not have much effect on the distribution.

CONCLUSION

People with blood group A have a significantly higher risk for acquiring COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O has a significantly lower risk for the infection compared with non-O blood groups.

Shit, that's interesting.

Blood group O for the win!

I'm very interested to read the legitimate studies when the dust settles.

 

[ferball]

Get your peepers on this GG.

Hot off the presses:

Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

RESULTS

The ABO group in 3694 normal people in Wuhan showed a distribution of 32.16%, 24.90%, 9.10% and 33.84% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, versus the distribution of 37.75%, 26.42%, 10.03% and 25.80% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, in 1,775 COVID-19 patients from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital. The proportion of blood group A and O in COVID-19 patients were significantly higher and lower, respectively, than that in normal people (both P < 0.001). Similar ABO distribution pattern was observed in 398 patients from another two hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen. Meta-analyses on the pooled data showed that blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups. In addition, the influence of age and gender on the ABO blood group distribution in patients with COVID-19 from two Wuhan hospitals (1,888 patients) were analyzed and found that age and gender do not have much effect on the distribution.

CONCLUSION

People with blood group A have a significantly higher risk for acquiring COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O has a significantly lower risk for the infection compared with non-O blood groups.

That's personally disturbing.

Is that a 20% higher chance with a range of almost 0 to nearly 50%?

For A.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I feel that the AFL have made the wrong decision, but it’s not up to me in the end.

 

[Snake_Baker]

That's personally disturbing.

Is that a 20% higher chance with a range of almost 0 to nearly 50%?

For A.

The odds of blood type A susceptibility in comparison to blood type O can be reasonably assumed to be approximately double (2:1), although the 95% CI leaves a little bit of wriggle room.

Scoientific researchers rarely describe definitive conclusions, however the data very strongly points to a conclusion that there are blood type factors involved.

 

[7577969923]

Is that among all cases, or specifically among the elderly?

I've read wildly conflicting estimates, and that is all they are, estimates.

That's in total. In seasonal flu, the mortality rate is between 0.05% and 0.1%. South Korea which probably has the best data because they have the most comprehensive testing regime, has a mortality rate of 1%. That is not an estimate. That is an actual data point.

Why are you so resistant to facts?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Shit, that's interesting.

Blood group O for the win!

I'm very interested to read the legitimate studies when the dust settles.

Any ideas about Trumps blood type?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Any ideas about Trumps blood type?

Starts with K, ends with C and has F in the middle.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Trooper number 2.

 

[Tas]

The tourism and hospitality industry as a whole is about to fall off a cliff, particularly off the back of bushfire season. The latest modelling indicates the current situation will cost $3b per month in economic activity and well north of 100,000 jobs.

The rapid release of cashflow into businesses is critical, particularly in the form of low or no interest loans and the short term capitalisation of credit. The problem here is that every new tightening of the health provisions needs to be met with a commensurate offset in economic stimulus.

I think the bushfire problems we had is probably the one saving grace, if you can call it that, insofar that it significantly reduced foreign movement within the country. Infection here could have been significantly higher otherwise.

I don't think shutting down is the answer, simply because it is not feasible to do so. We are looking at a possible vaccine late this year, more likely next year. You can't lock down the country for 9+ months. Our GDP is $1,450 billion USD, our dollar is under 60c now so what is that, $2,417+ billion AUD. How much are we generating when locked down? Our government doesn't have 2 trillion dollars to hand out, especially on the back of having to support a huge chunk of the population that will lose their jobs. A lot of businesses will fail, the government will have to shore up the businesses it can't afford to collapse. We are fundamentally going to go into a war-like economy if this thing drags out, especially if it gets worse.

I am sure the government will do what it can, but it can't save all these businesses and I think hospitality would be near the bottom of the queue in terms of which industries the government will try to save from collapsing, regardless how much money it brings in, in the event of catastrophic failure, new businesses would eventually rise up to fill the void.

 

[Hojuman]

Trooper number 2.

Brilliant Snake. Keep 'em comin please

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Australia's Chief Medical Officer, professor Brendan Murphy says Australians should expect "disruptive and intrusive" measures to be imposed for at least six months, perhaps longer.

"People who say we can lockdown the country for four weeks and send everyone home, close to schools, are not being realistic," he told A Current Affair.

"We are trying to get the community adjusted to the fact that this is a long haul."


Professor Murphy could not rule out the possibility of people being stuck at home for a prolonged period either.

Tracy Grimshaw spoke with Australia's Chief Medical Officer, professor Brendan Murphy (A Current Affair)
He assured, however, that such stringent measures would only be introduced into a small part of the country if there was a sizeable outbreak of community transmissions.

"It's a possibility in the future, but we are not contemplating it in the near future."

He said that given the projections based on information available now, such measures are not likely to need to be imposed.

Professor Murphy echoed Prime Minister Scott Morrison's travel advice, saying it would be "very unwise" to travel internationally.

"Unless there are exceptional circumstances, do not travel."

The call for Australians to return home from abroad is not because Australia plans to close the borders though, he said.

"We would never close our borders to Australian citizens and permanent residents."

Rather, the advice has been given as authorities believe Australians are at greater risk outside the country and believe citizens are better protected by Australia's strong health system.

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There are concerns Australia is on a similar trajectory to where Italy was positioned four weeks ago, a notion that Professor Murphy dismissed.

He said Italy's exponential infection rate was based on community transmission, whereas Australia's transmissions are still largely imported, coming from people who have returned to the country after being abroad.

Despite this, he said experts are extremely concerned, which is why social distancing measures should be followed.

"We think that six months is a good estimate, a period we will need to introduce very strong social distancing measures."

He admitted while these measures are disruptive, "they will enable us to go on living".

"There will be an end to it, but it will be a long haul. And we're going to have to change the way we behave, and how to live."

 

[Tectonic]

Australia's Chief Medical Officer, professor Brendan Murphy says Australians should expect "disruptive and intrusive" measures to be imposed for at least six months, perhaps longer.

"People who say we can lockdown the country for four weeks and send everyone home, close to schools, are not being realistic," he told A Current Affair.

"We are trying to get the community adjusted to the fact that this is a long haul."


Professor Murphy could not rule out the possibility of people being stuck at home for a prolonged period either.

Tracy Grimshaw spoke with Australia's Chief Medical Officer, professor Brendan Murphy (A Current Affair)
He assured, however, that such stringent measures would only be introduced into a small part of the country if there was a sizeable outbreak of community transmissions.

"It's a possibility in the future, but we are not contemplating it in the near future."

He said that given the projections based on information available now, such measures are not likely to need to be imposed.

Professor Murphy echoed Prime Minister Scott Morrison's travel advice, saying it would be "very unwise" to travel internationally.

"Unless there are exceptional circumstances, do not travel."

The call for Australians to return home from abroad is not because Australia plans to close the borders though, he said.

"We would never close our borders to Australian citizens and permanent residents."

Rather, the advice has been given as authorities believe Australians are at greater risk outside the country and believe citizens are better protected by Australia's strong health system.

Related

Experts' dire coronavirus predictions for Australia

Aussie store bans cash over coronavirus fears

'Devastating impact' of stopping mass gatherings
There are concerns Australia is on a similar trajectory to where Italy was positioned four weeks ago, a notion that Professor Murphy dismissed.

He said Italy's exponential infection rate was based on community transmission, whereas Australia's transmissions are still largely imported, coming from people who have returned to the country after being abroad.

Despite this, he said experts are extremely concerned, which is why social distancing measures should be followed.

"We think that six months is a good estimate, a period we will need to introduce very strong social distancing measures."

He admitted while these measures are disruptive, "they will enable us to go on living".

"There will be an end to it, but it will be a long haul. And we're going to have to change the way we behave, and how to live."

I'm really impressed with the government today. They've taken a stand and put out what they think is the least worst way to deal with things. It's already murdered my industry but they've backed us all in to be smart and responsible.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I get the impression that economics played a considerable role in modifying the response.

Oh well, keep the borders shut and contain it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I get the impression that economics played a considerable role in modifying the response.

Oh well, keep the borders shut and contain it.

Wouldn’t a short term shutdown be more economically prudent in the long term, rather than the current strategem?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Wouldn’t a short term shutdown be more economically prudent in the long term, rather than the current strategem?

Dunno mate, I pay little attention to those charlatans.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Dunno mate, I pay little attention to those charlatans.

I don’t really know either, I’m not an economist and these are effectively unprecedented times.

 

[Tectonic]

Wouldn’t a short term shutdown be more economically prudent in the long term, rather than the current strategem?

The tortoise and the hare comes to mind

 

[Pykie]

Boeing might genuinely collapse at this rate.


Expected to open down another 20%, as indicated on the Dow futures. In free fall.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Boeing might genuinely collapse at this rate.


Expected to open down another 20%, as indicated on the Dow futures. In free fall.

Huge ramifications, including for defence manufacturing.

 

[Pykie]

Huge ramifications, including for defence manufacturing.

Yeah, Defence is the main issue, a lot of R&D there, will get nationalized before the US let an international raider come in.

One of the largest companies in the world potentially wiped out in a matter of weeks.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Yeah, Defence is the main issue, a lot of R&D there, will get nationalized before the US let an international raider come in.

One of the largest companies in the world potentially wiped out in a matter of weeks.

F-35 stealth technology and drone technology. I say that will be end of the loyal wingman drone fighter program.