News Coronavirus Thread

[Masked Avenger]

It's truly amazing.

My favourite is how people base opinions on heresay, articles using the "sources suggest" and zero insight. It's crazy that so many members of the North board are in the White House Coronavirus task force.

All good GG. But don't expect people to be deluded into thinking that he's pulled the right reins. In the US at least, it reflects the lack of a robust cabinet system where things are shared and thrashed out between elected and not appointed representatives.Trump's personality, his penchant for doing things his way, has had an impact on containment numbers. His comments around Americans don't do isolation well, that it will be open for business after Easter and his scorn for masks are in stark contrast to the messaging coming out of our elected leaders. History won't be kind to him on that. That can't be spun.

 

[DrZaius]

It's not that simple..

So everyone gets a basic stipend from the government, probably akin to normal jobseeker.
As a run off effect from that;

-You do away with the tax free threshold
-full time work is no longer necessary
-this leads to more people in jobs because 3 part timers can fill the role of 2 full timers
-more people earning = more people paying taxes
-you can build into the system safeguards to do away with cash jobs, leading to more revenue for the state
-more revenue (state and personal)= more spending, leading to more jobs and growth

But... But... Dole Bludgers! Etc.

 

[gokangas]

Rattle on gk. You love sticking the boots into Daniel Andrews, but the facts are that he, Gladys in NSW, and all the other State leaders along with Morrison, Hunt and company, have done a terrific job in this. It would appear that you just like to show your political bias; well guess what, the bipartisanship shown in this crisis has been in my view absolutely commendable.

Being prepared to change something if it is not working properly, to me sounds much more like sensible decision making rather than your very critical "in terms of PR and Comms, who the hell is advising him because they have stuffed up yet again." comment.

Horace - if you are going to kick me get your facts right. I have acknowledged several times what a good job he (and the feds) is doing in terms of the actual management of the disaster. My criticism is purely re their comms, an area in which I have worked for many years. Their comms have been shockingly inconsistent and poorly delivered. Correction after correction - get it right the first time.

Seeing you seem to know my politics let me explain further. I am your archetypical swinging voter. Not many of me left. Have voted liberal and labour plenty of times in my life - but none of the loony parties. Andrews is a mile ahead of the leaderless libs in Victoria at the moment which is sad as we need a strong opposition no matter who is in power.

So bias? Hardly. Just a professional thought on what I think has been a terrible comms campaign based on poor advice.

Still love you Hori but I suspect your comments reflect more your political bias than mine.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

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Keep it rollin!

None by the end of next week?

 

[7577969923]

Yes it is quite curious that the US death rate is just under 4% of confirmed cases, while France is now just over 15% of confirmed cases. Maybe there has been far more testing in the US, which might account for the different death rates. As the number of confirmed case slows, however we are seeing an increased death rate in nearly all countries. We are now up to 0.97% of confirmed cases and on current trends it will cross the 1% mark in the not too distant future.

I would think there are a range of factors at play including what point in the infection cycle each nation is at, what percentage of actual infections the reported number represents, the age and health profile of those infected, the relative load on the health systems, and the mechanisms by which deaths are attributed in each country.

I think the following could be relevant:
"In the 31 days ending April 4, New York City had 5,330 more deaths than normal, but only 3,350 of those were officially ascribed to the coronavirus."

I also think your point on testing is valid. The following data is from April 7th:

	France​	USA​
Tests	333,807​	2,070,000​
Infections	110,100​	396,200​
% Positive	​ 33.0%​	​ 19.1%​

To me, that data suggests both countries are a fair way from knowing the full scope of infections. As a point of comparison, Australia has a positive rate of under 2% from targetted testing.

 

[Horace]

Horace - if you are going to kick me get your facts right. I have acknowledged several times what a good job he (and the feds) is doing in terms of the actual management of the disaster. My criticism is purely re their comms, an area in which I have worked for many years. Their comms have been shockingly inconsistent and poorly delivered. Correction after correction - get it right the first time.

Seeing you seem to know my politics let me explain further. I am your archetypical swinging voter. Not many of me left. Have voted liberal and labour plenty of times in my life - but none of the loony parties. Andrews is a mile ahead of the leaderless libs in Victoria at the moment which is sad as we need a strong opposition no matter who is in power.

So bias? Hardly. Just a professional thought on what I think has been a terrible comms campaign based on poor advice.

Still love you Hori but I suspect your comments reflect more your political bias than mine.

I stated my political bias a long time ago in this thread, when I said I have never voted for the coalition and never will. In that I praised Morrison, Hunt, Porter and Gladys for the way they have handled it, just as I commended the words of Josh Frydenberg yesterday, when he said that they will be relying on the Health experts to guide them on the way out of this.

I stick with my comments that I think they have done a very good job on handling this situation. If you want to be pedantic, you can pick holes in what all of them have said on occasions. Morrison made a mistake when he said he was still going to the football, but I'm not going to criticise him for that, because firstly, the situation was in its early days and secondly, I think everyone in such trying times is entitled to make an innocent error at the height of what then was a very stressful time and since has got significantly worse.

Yes we know that this is your area of expertise, but cut Daniel Andrews and all of them some slack. I would doubt if any of us have had to operate in such a high stress environment as this. Morrison has lost even more hair and aged visibly, while Greg Hunt has started losing hair and looks older to my eyes anyway.

 

[7577969923]

All good GG. But don't expect people to be deluded into thinking that he's pulled the right reins. In the US at least, it reflects the lack of a robust cabinet system where things are shared and thrashed out between elected and not appointed representatives.Trump's personality, his penchant for doing things his way, has had an impact on containment numbers. His comments around Americans don't do isolation well, that it will be open for business after Easter and his scorn for masks are in stark contrast to the messaging coming out of our elected leaders. History won't be kind to him on that. That can't be spun.

The idea that one would have to be a member of the White House Covid19 taskforce to know whether or not Trump has done a good job in leading the US response is just complete and utter nonsense. If all we did was listen to the words that came directly out of Trump's mouth we would have a very clear idea. We would have absolutely no idea what was going on, or what the facts were, but we would clearly understand he is in completely out of his depth, and that his ignorance and soaring narcissism are huge impediments.

 

[DesertRoo]

It's not that simple..

So everyone gets a basic stipend from the government, probably akin to normal jobseeker.
As a run off effect from that;

-You do away with the tax free threshold
-full time work is no longer necessary
-this leads to more people in jobs because 3 part timers can fill the role of 2 full timers
-more people earning = more people paying taxes
-you can build into the system safeguards to do away with cash jobs, leading to more revenue for the state
-more revenue (state and personal)= more spending, leading to more jobs and growth

You just know this is going to lead to housing affordability issues.

 

[gokangas]

I stated my political bias a long time ago in this thread, when I said I have never voted for the coalition and never will. In that I praised Morrison, Hunt, Porter and Gladys for the way they have handled it, just as I commended the words of Josh Frydenberg yesterday, when he said that they will be relying on the Health experts to guide them on the way out of this.

I stick with my comments that I think they have done a very good job on handling this situation. If you want to be pedantic, you can pick holes in what all of them have said on occasions. Morrison made a mistake when he said he was still going the football, but I'm not going to criticise him for that, because firstly, the situation was in its early days and secondly, I think everyone in such trying times is entitled to make an innocent error at the height of what then was a very stressful time and since has got significantly worse.

Yes we know that this is your area of expertise, but cut Daniel Andrews and all of them some slack. I would doubt if any of us have had to operate in such a high stress environment as this. Morrison has lost even more hair and aged visibly, while Greg Hunt has started losing hair and looks older to me eyes anyway.

Not sure if still so but at one stage a year or so ago the Vic Gov was the largest employer of PR Comms folk in Australia - stand to be corrected if that info was incorrect. So there are few excuses in getting your communications wrong as many times as Andrews has. Plenty of advisors to work through the policy before it is announced and get it right. No such thing as an innocent error at this level when it comes to policy.

In terms of success in general, agree collectively a great result so far. I say again that was not the point of my criticism.

Lets agree to disagree Horace but please don't ever accuse me of political bias just because I criticise your (at times, our) leader.

 

[7577969923]

I stated my political bias a long time ago in this thread, when I said I have never voted for the coalition and never will. In that I praised Morrison, Hunt, Porter and Gladys for the way they have handled it, just as I commended the words of Josh Frydenberg yesterday, when he said that they will be relying on the Health experts to guide them on the way out of this.

I stick with my comments that I think they have done a very good job on handling this situation. If you want to be pedantic, you can pick holes in what all of them have said on occasions. Morrison made a mistake when he said he was still going the football, but I'm not going to criticise him for that, because firstly, the situation was in its early days and secondly, I think everyone in such trying times is entitled to make an innocent error at the height of what then was a very stressful time and since has got significantly worse.

Yes we know that this is your area of expertise, but cut Daniel Andrews and all of them some slack. I would doubt if any of us have had to operate in such a high stress environment as this. Morrison has lost even more hair and aged visibly, while Greg Hunt has started losing hair and looks older to me eyes anyway.

I think you are right in that we could all pick holes in individual elements of the response from different layers of government, but we have to give them credit for putting Australia in a position that is probably the equal of the best response from any nation. The idea that any one of them could manage all elements of the response without making a single mistake is naive. I am not a Dan Andrews fan but think he been a very good man in a crisis. I think you could say similar things about Morrison, Hunt, and Frydenberg.

The bottom line is their actions have meant fewer Australians have become sick and died. The following chart is our infection curve (blue line) mapped against South Korea's with the day each country passed 100 infections as the starting point. South Korea has been rightly lauded as having done a fantastic job in responding to the virus:

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The idea that one would have to be a member of the White House Covid19 taskforce to know whether or not Trump has done a good job in leading the US response is just complete and utter nonsense.

Surely GG misspoke?

 

[7577969923]

Surely GG misspoke?

Yeah nah.

"It's crazy that so many members of the North board are in the White House Coronavirus task force."

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Yeah nah.

"It's crazy that so many members of the North board are in the White House Coronavirus task force."

Well that invalidates any journalism or analysis he presents aswell then.

 

[Tectonic]

You just know this is going to lead to housing affordability issues.

Probably, but then again when a 2 bedroom flat in thornbury is 700k right now, how much worse can it get?

 

[7577969923]

Probably, but then again when a 2 bedroom flat in thornbury is 700k right now, how much worse can it get?

With interest rates where they are, if you have a $100k deposit then the repayments on your mortgage would be about $2.5k per month. That's pretty manageable on two average incomes.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

With interest rates where they are, if you have a $100k deposit then the repayments on your mortgage would be about $2.5k per month. That's pretty manageable on two average incomes.

Less is more manageable though.

 

[DrZaius]

You just know this is going to lead to housing affordability issues.

As opposed to the golden age of home affordability we currently live in..?

 

[Groin guru]

Well that invalidates any journalism or analysis he presents aswell then.

I'm not stupid enough to think journalists are worth listening to. Full of bias, pre-set narratives, click-bait, opinionated drivel...They are the primary propaganda machine of governments.

You'd be lucky to find a handful of useful ones left on the entire planet. You don't even need a degree these days to be a journalist - a twitter account is enough.

The only people that defend journalists are those like 7577969919 because their entire worldview is based on what journalists tell them to think, say and do. They make people feel too much, and think too little. Journalists lay out a buffet of lies. He can take a bite out of it but I refuse to.

The truth is out there. t's time to stand up and realise, that we should NOT allow ourselves to be crammed into this Covid19 rat maze. We should not SUBMIT to dehumanisation. I don't know about you, but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world. I'm concerned with the structure. I'm concerned with the systems of control. Those that control my life, and those that seek to control it EVEN MORE! I want FREEDOM! That's what I want, and that's what YOU should want! It's up to each and every one of us to turn loose of just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy, and yes, the insecurities, because that is the central mode of control, make us feel pathetic, small, so we'll willingly give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny. We have GOT to realise we're being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state! The 21st Century's gonna be a new century! Not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues of no significance, of classism and statism, and all the rest of the modes of control... it's gonna be the age of humankind, standing up for something PURE and something RIGHT! What a bunch of garbage - polititians: democrat, republican, liberal, labor...it's all there to control you, two sides of the same coin! Two management teams, bidding for control of the CEO job of Slavery Incorporated!

Resistance is NOT futile, we're gonna survive Covid19 and then we are going to bounce back, humankind is too good, WE'RE NOT A BUNCH OF UNDERACHIEVERS, WE'RE GONNA STAND UP, AND WE'RE GONNA BE HUMAN BEINGS! WE'RE GONNA GET FIRED UP ABOUT THE REAL THINGS, THE THINGS THAT MATTER - CREATIVITY, AND THE DYNAMIC HUMAN SPIRIT THAT REFUSES TO SUBMIT! Well that's it, that's all I've got to say. It's in your court now.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

You’re the Alex Jones spruiker, right?

 

[Groin guru]

Our elderly are in need!

 

[DesertRoo]

Probably, but then again when a 2 bedroom flat in thornbury is 700k right now, how much worse can it get?

As opposed to the golden age of home affordability we currently live in..?

You think it’s going to get better if government pays everyone a base salary?
good luck, everyone’s borrowing power just went up ten fold.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

You think it’s going to get better if government pays everyone a base salary?
good luck, everyone’s borrowing power just went up ten fold.

Not everyone’s. Certainly not the negative gearers and other speculators.

 

[DesertRoo]

Not everyone’s. Certainly not the negative gearers and other speculators.

So the plan is universal income apart from negative gearers?

what do you think investors are going to do with that money, sit on it?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

So the plan is universal income apart from negative gearers?

what do you think investors are going to do with that money, sit on it?

If they bring in a UBI, they’re closing NG loopholes.

 

[DesertRoo]

If they bring in a UBI, they’re closing NG loopholes.

Why do you say that?
the loopholes they were proposing at closing, were using negative on different asset classes, like having a negative on housing, offset by shares. That got shut down at the last election. So don’t get your hopes up.