Discussion Coronavirus

[PoppedCorn]

Seriously hope this is a joke website...

"Another hypothesis, at this point only a hypothesis, but a realistic one, is that along with the vaccination – if not with this one, then possibly with a later one, a nano-chip may be injected, unknown to the person being vaccinated"

Ummm
Theyve had this tech for decade's

 

[plugger66]

You need to do what you need to do.

You don’t NEED to go to the pub ya knobhead.

Im a knob for going to pub? Ok then. Hope you don’t venture out anywhere in the next few weeks. I do need to go to the pub because I need to enjoy my life and I have mates at the pub. Based on that if they do have local footy no one should go. They certainly shouldn’t get on a train Based on being a knob for going out where you don’t need to go I’d say there were probably 1 million knobheads in Victoria yesterday.

 

[borderbarry]

Peter Dutton has it and Tom Hanks and his wife. Plus about 260 others. including people who have caught it overseas. Most of these people only have cold or flu symptoms. Not a lot to panic about yet.

 

[gringo2011]

Take the political debate somewhere else.

Make the footy start then.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Ummm
Theyve had this tech for decade's

Doubt he’s talking about the tech, more the fact it’s being injected into patients without them knowing

 

[Diehard Saint]

Doesn't a group of supporters gathering in a small area defeat the whole purpose of no fans at the football?

Exactly what I replied to them on Twitter.
They replied to me that they only encourage healthy people to come along

Honestly, just watch at home
(provided there’s anything to watch)
Think the AFL are delaying the inevitable.

 

[borderbarry]

Funny how Rugby is being played this weekend in front of fans, but tomorrow crowds over 500 are banned. How fair dinkum are they?

 

[George]

Exactly what I replied to them on Twitter.
They replied to me that they only encourage healthy people to come along

Honestly, just watch at home
(provided there’s anything to watch)
Think the AFL are delaying the inevitable.

What is also inevitable is the spread of this virus.

We cant expect people to be couped up in their homes for months until this thing dies down or we find a vaccine.

I am generally pretty hygienic (thanks OCD!) but I can't stop myself from getting it because I have to get on with my life. I catch public transport to work, I am in an office full of people that also catch public transport. Lets say my workplace tells us all to start working from home, OK, fine. Now I have to go to the supermarket, where a thousand people have been in and out of during the day. I have to get out of my house for any reason - now I am open to catching it from whoever I walk past.

I agree completely that we need to be more aware of our hygiene and be cautious of our surroundings, but you'd go absolutely insane if you were living your life in fear like that. It's impossible to stop.

And with the meet up from the cheer squad, well they aren't forcing anyone to go. And we've all been advised (the general public) by people who know more about this than we do, that gatherings of under 500 people is okay. I think Australia is already putting in steps to slow the spread by cancelling events like the Grand Prix, the Super Rugby, and no crowds at the AFL, AFLW, Cricket. This is a much more effective and important measure for the broader community than a dozen people watching the football at the pub.

 

[George]

Make the footy start then.

What has Peter Dutton's political history got to do with the Coronavirus? Create a politics discussion thread if you want.

 

[SaintersUnite]

Im a knob for going to pub? Ok then. Hope you don’t venture out anywhere in the next few weeks. I do need to go to the pub because I need to enjoy my life and I have mates at the pub. Based on that if they do have local footy no one should go. They certainly shouldn’t get on a train Based on being a knob for going out where you don’t need to go I’d say there were probably 1 million knobheads in Victoria yesterday.

Did I say you were a knob for going to the pub? No. You’re imagining things. I’m calling you a knob for saying you NEED to go there. No you don’t. You NEED to eat, breathe, exercise and sleep. Everything that does not relate to those, you do not need to do.

 

[plugger66]

Did I say you were a knob for going to the pub? No. You’re imagining things. I’m calling you a knob for saying you NEED to go there. No you don’t. You NEED to eat, breathe, exercise and sleep. Everything that does not relate to those, you do not need to do.

My quote was more that you need to live how you need to live. If that includes going on a train to work going to a club or going to a pub in my case then do it. If it means you feel that you should stay home all the time then do.

 

[George]

Did I say you were a knob for going to the pub? No. You’re imagining things. I’m calling you a knob for saying you NEED to go there. No you don’t. You NEED to eat, breathe, exercise and sleep. Everything that does not relate to those, you do not need to do.

You also need to work. For many millions of Australians that includes working with other people. You can do as many things as you want to try and stop yourself from getting it but in a way it's completely out of your control.

 

[SaintersUnite]

You also need to work. For many millions of Australians that includes working with other people. You can do as many things as you want to try and stop yourself from getting it but in a way it's completely out of your control.

My apologies I forgot about work. That as well.

 

[saintsrfreak]

What is also inevitable is the spread of this virus.

We cant expect people to be couped up in their homes for months until this thing dies down or we find a vaccine.

I am generally pretty hygienic (thanks OCD!) but I can't stop myself from getting it because I have to get on with my life. I catch public transport to work, I am in an office full of people that also catch public transport. Lets say my workplace tells us all to start working from home, OK, fine. Now I have to go to the supermarket, where a thousand people have been in and out of during the day. I have to get out of my house for any reason - now I am open to catching it from whoever I walk past.

I agree completely that we need to be more aware of our hygiene and be cautious of our surroundings, but you'd go absolutely insane if you were living your life in fear like that. It's impossible to stop.

And with the meet up from the cheer squad, well they aren't forcing anyone to go. And we've all been advised (the general public) by people who know more about this than we do, that gatherings of under 500 people is okay. I think Australia is already putting in steps to slow the spread by cancelling events like the Grand Prix, the Super Rugby, and no crowds at the AFL, AFLW, Cricket. This is a much more effective and important measure for the broader community than a dozen people watching the football at the pub.

Well it's more about slowing the spread where possible to ease the burden on the healthcare system isn't it? If people go on about business as usual for the most part then our health infrastructure would be overwhelmed, and dying people would have to be turned away.

If we can avoid that by giving up some niceties like going to the pub, the movies, and other places with mass gatherings, then I think it's well worth it. Obviously there are things like public transport, supermarkets, and some percentage of workplaces that will be unavoidable, doesn't mean we can't further slow it down. In an ideal world the government would either ramp up testing availability massively or guarantee sick pay to everyone who requires it.

 

[George]

Well it's more about slowing the spread where possible to ease the burden on the healthcare system isn't it? If people go on about business as usual for the most part then our health infrastructure would be overwhelmed, and dying people would have to be turned away.

If we can avoid that by giving up some niceties like going to the pub, the movies, and other places with mass gatherings, then I think it's well worth it. Obviously there are things like public transport, supermarkets, and some percentage of workplaces that will be unavoidable, doesn't mean we can't further slow it down. In an ideal world the government would either ramp up testing availability massively or guarantee sick pay to everyone who requires it.

Government has said that static mass gatherings of over 500 people aren't allowed. Key word is static. Sitting down surrounded by people for hours is where the chance of being infected is higher. Concerts and sporting events the two obvious examples.

We have been advised that anywhere else with less than 500 people is fine. This includes going to the pub and movies.

If we give up everything, stay at home and don't pump money into local business then we need to be aware that we will go into recession, too.

I think in general this whole thing has been overblown. I think if we practice good hygiene and generally are more aware of our surroundings we'll be fine. All these people you see at supermarkets stocking up on toilet paper etc is absolutely insane to me. I think people in general have overreacted and created mass hysteria.

 

[PostmanBish]

gatherings of under 500 people is okay

TBH, it is clear that this is a logical fallacy being rolled out to prevent an outright panic among the sheeple - an infected person in a room with 499 people is just as likely to infect a bunch of them as in a gathering of 501 (a virus also doesn't care how "smart" the person stating the number is - note the number of officials who have stated things will be fine, are under control, and then tested positive) ... it's largely just politicians hoping that gatherings of less than the arbitrary number of 500 leads to a slower infection rate than, say, an infected person sitting in a bay at Marvel. Given that the mingling at a typical pub sees similar, if not more bunching than the concourse at Marvel for a typical game, I'm highly sceptical.

I'd certainly be hoping that anyone who goes to a gathering, and becomes symptomatic in the day or two afterwards, is fully prepared to "out" themselves to the group immediately in order to give them a chance to self-isolate before they spread it willy-nilly.

The end-result of this "she'll be right" approach is likely to be an Italy or Hubei style lockdown of at least one Australian capital city before the end of April, with the worst of the winter-sickness season still to come.

 

[George]

TBH, it is clear that this is a logical fallacy being rolled out to prevent an outright panic among the sheeple - an infected person in a room with 499 people is just as likely to infect a bunch of them as in a gathering of 501 (a virus also doesn't care how "smart" the person stating the number - note the number of officials who have stated things will be fine, are under control, and then tested positive) ... it's largely just politicians hoping that gatherings of less than the arbitrary number of 500 leads to a slower infection rate than, say, an infected person sitting in a bay at Marvel. Given that the mingling at a typical pub sees similar, if not more bunching than the concourse at Marvel for a typical game, I'm highly sceptical.

I'd certainly be hoping that anyone who goes to a gathering, and becomes symptomatic in the day or two afterwards, is fully prepared to "out" themselves to the group immediately in order to give them a chance to self-isolate before they spread it willy-nilly.

The end-result of this "she'll be right" approach is likely to be an Italy or Hubei style lockdown of at least one Australian capital city before the end of April, with the worst of the winter-sickness season still to come.

Could you tell me who has the mentality of thinking "she'll be right"? I haven't seen it anywhere.

Government hasn't taken these actions on their own, they've got people who know more about it than most to advise them.

And my point still stands. Going to the football surrounded by 50,000 people and going to concerts surrounded by 20,000 people are far more important areas to address (hence they have been banned) than going to the pub with a dozen people.

There are risks in catching the virus anywhere. If you are at the pub or if you are walking down the street. Where do you draw the line?

 

[triggering bro]

Morrison has now issued an amended direction around international travellers & mass gatherings. Travellers MUST self isolate for 14 days & gatherings of 500 + are BANNED - effective midnight.

This is only the beginning. Its very real & will only get more confronting & disruptive.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Government has said that static mass gatherings of over 500 people aren't allowed. Key word is static. Sitting down surrounded by people for hours is where the chance of being infected is higher. Concerts and sporting events the two obvious examples.

We have been advised that anywhere else with less than 500 people is fine. This includes going to the pub and movies.

If we give up everything, stay at home and don't pump money into local business then we need to be aware that we will go into recession, too.

I think in general this whole thing has been overblown. I think if we practice good hygiene and generally are more aware of our surroundings we'll be fine. All these people you see at supermarkets stocking up on toilet paper etc is absolutely insane to me. I think people in general have overreacted and created mass hysteria.

Why 500 though? What makes it a magic number? If there are >100 people in a bar, with lowered immune systems from drinking, then there's a good chance many of them get it, then spread it to the other people they spend time around in their lives, and it grows and grows.

Honestly the Government's approach is already looking incompetent, and with Scomo telling people to go to the footy over the weekend I wouldn't believe a word out of their mouths.

 

[George]

Why 500 though? What makes it a magic number? If there are >100 people in a bar, with lowered immune systems from drinking, then there's a good chance many of them get it, then spread it to the other people they spend time around in their lives, and it grows and grows.

Honestly the Government's approach is already looking incompetent, and with Scomo telling people to go to the footy over the weekend I wouldn't believe a word out of their mouths.

Who cares about why it is 500 and not 499 or 501. The ban was on static gatherings of over 500 people and the obvious major events with well over that figure like the Rugby, AFLW, AFL, Cricket, and Grand Prix were all canned which is a good thing.

Like you said, the aim is to slow the spread. So if you stop events that attract tens of thousands of people, that slows the spread.

If you want us all to become recluses then sure ban 500 people gatherings, ban less than 100 people gatherings because of the reasons you mentioned.

There needs to be a balance between slowing the spread as much as possible but also not interfering or controlling people's lives.

Like I said, it's impossible to stop and you proved my point with your pub example.

So where would you like to draw the line? Do we ban pubs now? Do we ban gatherings of 10 people? What about gatherings of more than 5 people? And if you have a number for me could you explain how you came to that number? Why the magic number?

 

[plugger66]

Why 500 though? What makes it a magic number? If there are >100 people in a bar, with lowered immune systems from drinking, then there's a good chance many of them get it, then spread it to the other people they spend time around in their lives, and it grows and grows.

Honestly the Government's approach is already looking incompetent, and with Scomo telling people to go to the footy over the weekend I wouldn't believe a word out of their mouths.

Well they need a number. 500 makes sporting events impossible to attend which is what they want. Many people are going to get cv but for health system to not fall apart they need to spread the cv over a long period time. What would be your ideal number. If it’s more than one then you can get it. They have to pick a number that you manage. It will change as more get it

 

[StFly]

Could you tell me who has the mentality of thinking "she'll be right"? I haven't seen it anywhere.

Government hasn't taken these actions on their own, they've got people who know more about it than most to advise them.

And my point still stands. Going to the football surrounded by 50,000 people and going to concerts surrounded by 20,000 people are far more important areas to address (hence they have been banned) than going to the pub with a dozen people.

There are risks in catching the virus anywhere. If you are at the pub or if you are walking down the street. Where do you draw the line?

I like that say 1 person in a bay of say 40 within a 2m radius is akin to 2 people at a pub that sits maybe 100 all things considering in a larger space than 2x2m in a building normally separate from other patrons.

"But why... why does space matter"

 

[BrutThough]

I think in general this whole thing has been overblown. I think if we practice good hygiene and generally are more aware of our surroundings we'll be fine. All these people you see at supermarkets stocking up on toilet paper etc is absolutely insane to me. I think people in general have overreacted and created mass hysteria.

If you go look at whats happening around the world, it is very clear that this isn't being over blown and that many people here in Australia aren't taking this seriously enough.

The hysteria over toilet paper is overblown but asking people to avoid unnecessary gathering and limiting the amount of public places they visit isn't unreasonable. We need to all do our part to make sure our health system can cope with the impending spread of this virus. That means sacrificing trips to the pub, movies, sporting events etc and start social distancing ourselves while we still have a chance to flatten the curve.

 

[plugger66]

If you go look at whats happening around the world, it is very clear that this isn't being over blown and that many people here in Australia aren't taking this seriously enough.

The hysteria over toilet paper is overblown but asking people to avoid unnecessary gathering and limiting the amount of public places they visit isn't unreasonable. We need to all do our part to make sure our health system can cope with the impending spread of this virus. That means sacrificing trips to the pub, movies, sporting events etc and start social distancing ourselves while we still have a chance to flatten the curve.

Ok but then businesses fall apart. We need to look at it short and long term. Do we really want every restaurant shut? Do we want no local sport at all? Do we shut every single shop? Tge government and the head medical person has determined 500 at the moment. I work on my own 5 days a week. See probably one person when I get lunch. For my mental health I need to get out on the weekends. I’m sure there are many tge same

 

[George]

If you go look at whats happening around the world, it is very clear that this isn't being over blown and that many people here in Australia aren't taking this seriously enough.

The hysteria over toilet paper is overblown but asking people to avoid unnecessary gathering and limiting the amount of public places they visit isn't unreasonable. We need to all do our part to make sure our health system can cope with the impending spread of this virus. That means sacrificing trips to the pub, movies, sporting events etc and start social distancing ourselves while we still have a chance to flatten the curve.

I think we are taking it as seriously as we need to.

We are not experts, we listen to and take advice from the people that are. If they have no issue with going to the pub or movies then we shouldn't either.

And again, where would you like to draw the line then? What number of people can be in one place at one time that is suitable to you?