Court? Maxwell case.

[Parallel Andy]

Out of interest is anyone aware of any other legal options that Collingwood could take with regards to the Maxwell suspension.
Not suggesting that they should, but there must be some legal grounds.
A legal bump which results in a suspension is a contradiction. Maxwell was suspended by the AFL for performing an action which is deemed legal and correct by the AFL. Anyone with a knowledge of the legal system?

 

[Col Davies]

Collingwood can appeal the decision to the "Appeals Tribunal" if we have new evidence or evidence that was not presented at the tribunal

Other than that, Collingwood could take the matter to Court, but won't, because its just not that important

Edit: Collingwood have just said the will NOT appeal the decision

Edit 2: Collingwood changes mind and will now appeal

 

[robertg22]

This is ridiculous. Do we really want to bitch and moan like a spoilt child and appeal? Maxwell broke a kid's jaw which is terribly unfortunate and quite honestly 2 weeks for that is reasonable. The extra two are because of his bad record and our inability to accept the punishment and move on.
Do we really want to further tarnish our reputation by taking this matter even further.. doesn't bode well for the future. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf..

 

[Dave The Man]

Collingwood can appeal the decision to the "Appeals Tribunal" if we have new evidence or evidence that was not presented at the tribunal

Other than that, Collingwood could take the matter to Court, but won't, because its just not that important

Edit: Collingwood have just said the will NOT appeal the decision

Edit 2: Collingwood changes mind and will now appeal

Where does it say we Appeal?

 

[Pie eyed]

This is ridiculous. Do we really want to bitch and moan like a spoilt child and appeal? Maxwell broke a kid's jaw which is terribly unfortunate and quite honestly 2 weeks for that is reasonable. The extra two are because of his bad record and our inability to accept the punishment and move on.
Do we really want to further tarnish our reputation by taking this matter even further.. doesn't bode well for the future. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf..

I can see what you are saying, but this is getting bigger than an issue with a suspended Collingwood player.
Is about the ability to have faith in the rules.
It is about who decides how the game is played. and what type of game we will have in 10 years time.
This degradation and softening of the game has been going on for years , behind closed doors and without the grassroots supporters having any say at all. I am happy for Collingwood to take it to the MRP even if it costs us a lot of time and money, in fact I encourage it.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25071582-19742,00.html


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/mikesheahan/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hit_record_put_to_test/



If it becomes the norm for bumps like Maxwell's to be penalized by suspension then that will be it for me.
I will still follow Collingwood but I will just be checking the scores occasionally. I played for 25 years and have seen hundreds of hip and shoulders worse than Maxwell's applauded by even the recipient. I believe I have a stake in the game. The AFL does not own the game as it thinks. It belongs to the average players and all the small country leagues.
The AFL simply administers the most profitable League and profits handsomely from it.

 

[Helfarch]

I'm still trying to figure out what his 'reasonable alternative' was supposed to be.

Tackle : Free kick
Knock ball out of play: possible free kick
Avoid the contest: Cardinal sin of football players everywhere and an act unbecoming of a Collingwood captain.

Possible review panel options.
Fall over
Injure yourself
Bump your team mate instead
Blow kisses

 

[collywobble_80]

I can see what you are saying, but this is getting bigger than an issue with a suspended Collingwood player.
Is about the ability to have faith in the rules.
It is about who decides how the game is played. and what type of game we will have in 10 years time.
This degradation and softening of the game has been going on for years , behind closed doors and without the grassroots supporters having any say at all. I am happy for Collingwood to take it to the MRP even if it costs us a lot of time and money, in fact I encourage it.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25071582-19742,00.html


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/mikesheahan/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hit_record_put_to_test/



If it becomes the norm for bumps like Maxwell's to be penalized by suspension then that will be it for me.
I will still follow Collingwood but I will just be checking the scores occasionally. I played for 25 years and have seen hundreds of hip and shoulders worse than Maxwell's applauded by even the recipient. I believe I have a stake in the game. The AFL does not own the game as it thinks. It belongs to the average players and all the small country leagues.
The AFL simply administers the most profitable League and profits handsomely from it.

The issue is not with the 'bump' being the norm. The AFL charged him because he was not going for the ball, he had eyes for the man. Had he been looking at the ball he would not have been sighted, it wasn't a dirty bump by any means but doesn't look good because he went the man not the ball.

 

[Pie eyed]

The issue is not with the 'bump' being the norm. The AFL charged him because he was not going for the ball, he had eyes for the man. Had he been looking at the ball he would not have been sighted, it wasn't a dirty bump by any means but doesn't look good because he went the man not the ball.

You are allowed to bump in the course of a shepherd whether or not the man has the ball.
As far as the Maxwell case is concerned he does not have to get the ball.
Many a shirt-front has been delivered to a player attempting to tackle a player.
The bump was and still is fully within the rules.
You would be far more aware of this if you had played the game....which I suspect you have not if you have never been shepherded off the contest.

 

[Boy from the West]

Majority of Eagles supporters think Maxwell got shafted by tribunal. Me included. Bad business by AFL.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Collingwood wouldn't want it to go to court as they stated in there appeal, that they believed McGinnity suffered his broken jaw from a accidental head clash.

They then showed medical evidence of damage to Maxwell citing that as proof enough to question the damage wasn't done by Maxwell's shoulder.

If it went to court that supposition would be question.

As McGinnity xrays of his broken jaw would show the damage is from shoulder not by the head from the way his jaw is factured.

I was down at eagles training this morning and was told that.

 

[Optimax]

So you are questioning the validity of our club doctor royal?

he would not lie and then put his name too it, o think you should change some of you statement

 

[Col Davies]

Collingwood wouldn't want it to go to court as they stated in there appeal, that they believed McGinnity suffered his broken jaw from a accidental head clash.

They then showed medical evidence of damage to Maxwell citing that as proof enough to question the damage wasn't done by Maxwell's shoulder.

If it went to court that supposition would be question.

As McGinnity xrays of his broken jaw would show the damage is from shoulder not by the head from the way his jaw is factured.

I was down at eagles training this morning and was told that.

That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense

 

[Lazyboy]

The AFL have sat back for the last 4-5 years and slowly changed the image of the great game.

I think that knock that Maxy done was perfection, the entire room was in agreement, GREAT BUMP. Its our game, not fat vlad and his tossers. The club being Collingwood, owes it to us, every damn supporter of the game to make the AFL back the **** off and stop changing our game.

If its us that finally takes them head on in the courts then so be it, this is not about a broken jaw, this is about the Austalian game of football, its sacred and unique, its so much Australian, in a society like today so many people are trying to deny us our indivualism and identity, now they are doing it in our famous sport, the greedy fat pigs, the AFL has no right to be doing what they have done and are trying to do.. Enough is enough, its time, us alone or with the support of other clubs to make a stand and put these bastards back in there box. STOP MESSING WITH THE FOOTY

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

So you are questioning the validity of our club doctor royal?

he would not lie and then put his name too it, o think you should change some of you statement

Not questioning that Opti, your club doctor didn't have access to the x'rays so he cant comment on that.

All they have access to is the medical report which states damage received by McGinnity.

All he can do his confirm damaged suffered by Maxwell, and resonably relate that back to Mcginnity's jaw.

And that is fine and nothing the doctor has said is wrong.

All I am saying, is what i was told today that the angle of factures to his jaw dont support that it was from a head clash.

If it went to a court of law mcginnity's surgeon would most probaly give evidence and produce xray's, which would throw doubt on collingwood version of events.

None of that happened at the tribunal hearing.

Oh personally on the bumping issue I hate the way its interepted these
days, woosha would have ended up playing half the games he did.

 

[Pie eyed]

Not questioning that Opti, your club doctor didn't have access to the x'rays so he cant comment on that.

All they have access to is the medical report which states damage received by McGinnity.

All he can do his confirm damaged suffered by Maxwell, and resonably relate that back to Mcginnity's jaw.

And that is fine and nothing the doctor has said is wrong.

All I am saying, is what i was told today that the angle of factures to his jaw dont support that it was from a head clash.

If it went to a court of law mcginnity's surgeon would most probaly give evidence and produce xray's, which would throw doubt on collingwood version of events.

None of that happened at the tribunal hearing.

Oh personally on the bumping issue I hate the way its interepted these
days, woosha would have ended up playing half the games he did.

If it went to court it would be thrown out.
They would have to prove negligence and or intent.
The MRP only has to read off a list of assumptions and then hand out a penalty. They do not have the onus of having to prove anything.

The fact that we are all descending into the minute analysis of the smallest bio-mechanical possibilities is just proof of how precarious the MRP's decision is and how important it is these decisions are based on the facts an not some "rote formula" typed up in a set of ad hoc rules.

You know and I know that if it were that cut and dry there would be no argument from anyone. The fact that we have so many opinions now being supported by technicalities and scant facts just shows that the rules are so vague as to be akin to using a shotgun to excise a splinter.

 

[Parallel Andy]

I have changed my mind.
We all know that the AFL will not change their decision.
I would be more than comfortable for Collngwood to take the AFL to a 'real' court over this issue. It pisses me off more everytime I think of it.