Crows Duds!

[Tredders#16]

I think we may well add good ol' Laurence Angwin to this list now!
Hehehe.

Tredders#16

 

[Eago77]

Oh no its happening again!!

By all means please add him to the list.

Hope none of the crows supports see this

 

[Port01]

How many games will Schell get before he is added to the list?

 

[Eago77]

From what i've seen on Nelson, i think he may be Schell to it, but not by much.

 

[Tredders#16]

Candidates just keep on putting their hands up for this elite list, don't they!?

Tredders#16

 

[Eago77]

Just thanks James Fatasyland & Gary Ayrhead for that.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by Tredders#16
Eago77 and I were in a chatroom recently and decided that we'd put together a list of Crow's players that were just dead set ordinary. We then thought we'd make up a team...but we came up with so many names that we decided to come up with two teams: one for up to 1995 and the other for 1996 and after. Here they are:

Pre 1995 - Coach: Robert Shaw
Backs: D.Hughes, T.Warhurst, M.Viska
H/Backs: B.Lindsay, P.Rouvray, R.Thompson
Centre: S.Schwerdt, E.Warrior, A.Geddes
H/Forward: M.Di Biase, J.Klug, C.Lamb
Forward: S.Tongerie, C.Groom, S.Wigney
Ruck: R.Negri, A.Saliba, E.Hocking
Int: M.Kluzek, S.Pedler, S.Tasker, R.Bone
Emerg: W.Weidemann, D.Marsall, D.Smith

Post 1996 - Coach: Gary Ayres
Backs: T.Ormond-Allen, B.Chalmers, A.Fernee
H/Backs: B.Higgins, A.Ingerson, M.Collins
Centre: C.Sampson, R.O'Loughlin, L.Picione
H/Forward: S.Cook, B.Standfield, B.Williams
Forward: A.Keating, A.Richardson, T.Cook
Ruck: M.Golding, B.Atkinson, D.Gallagher
Int: T.Gilligan, B.Singh, L.Herbert, S.Logan
Emerg: M.Connell, S.Wellman, M.McKinnon

Can anyone add any? Apologies if we put someone in the wrong era. I think any club would struggle to put together a worse list than this! Any comments or suggestions?

Cheers,
Tredders#16 and Eago77.

I have to say I agree with every player mentioned except
M.Connell, J. Klug

MC = Won a club champion in a pivotal year. Must have earnt the right somehow

JK = Served a purpose given that the likes of Kernahan were out of the picture. In his prime, Id have him back now.


GEEeeez we ave ad some shockers though.

 

[Macca19]

Re: Re: Crows Duds!

Originally posted by topjars


I have to say I agree with every player mentioned except
M.Connell, J. Klug

MC = Won a club champion in a pivotal year. Must have earnt the right somehow

how pivotal was 1994????

 

[Damp Squarie]

I thought I said pittiful
LOL

 

[Santos L Helper]

I remembered another Cow draftee who never played a game..................Seb Packer. I don't think he was mentioned earlier, but he came from Sturt with a 'big' rep and a knee injury and being close to Andrew Geddes ruined his chances.
How do I know all this............his sister told me.

 

[dogs105]

Originally posted by Tredders#16
Eago77 and I were in a chatroom recently and decided that we'd put together a list of Crow's players that were just dead set ordinary. We then thought we'd make up a team...but we came up with so many names that we decided to come up with two teams: one for up to 1995 and the other for 1996 and after. Here they are:

Pre 1995 - Coach: Robert Shaw
Backs: D.Hughes, T.Warhurst, M.Viska
H/Backs: B.Lindsay, P.Rouvray, R.Thompson
Centre: S.Schwerdt, E.Warrior, A.Geddes
H/Forward: M.Di Biase, J.Klug, C.Lamb
Forward: S.Tongerie, C.Groom, S.Wigney
Ruck: R.Negri, A.Saliba, E.Hocking
Int: M.Kluzek, S.Pedler, S.Tasker, R.Bone
Emerg: W.Weidemann, D.Marsall, D.Smith

Post 1996 - Coach: Gary Ayres
Backs: T.Ormond-Allen, B.Chalmers, A.Fernee
H/Backs: B.Higgins, A.Ingerson, M.Collins
Centre: C.Sampson, R.O'Loughlin, L.Picione
H/Forward: S.Cook, B.Standfield, B.Williams
Forward: A.Keating, A.Richardson, T.Cook
Ruck: M.Golding, B.Atkinson, D.Gallagher
Int: T.Gilligan, B.Singh, L.Herbert, S.Logan
Emerg: M.Connell, S.Wellman, M.McKinnon

Can anyone add any? Apologies if we put someone in the wrong era. I think any club would struggle to put together a worse list than this! Any comments or suggestions?

Cheers,
Tredders#16 and Eago77.

It is an absolute disgrace that John Klug made this list. I remember him taking marks 4 deep in a pack and giving no-look handballs over his shoulder to someone running past 15 metres away. He had great hands, and a an amazing football brain. Yu cannot seriously have paid any attention to early Crows games at all if Klug makes this side.

If you really want a dud CHF, what about Darren Smith or Alan Bartlett?

Or Scotty?

 

[dogs105]

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Originally posted by Macca19


how pivotal was 1994????

Actually, he won it in '95. ('94 B&F Shaun Rehn)

'95 pivotal as it was Robert Shaw's first year in charge, and it was important that the Crows lifted dramatically after Cornesy left!!!!

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Re: Re: Crows Duds!

Originally posted by dogs105


It is an absolute disgrace that John Klug made this list. I remember him taking marks 4 deep in a pack and giving no-look handballs over his shoulder to someone running past 15 metres away. He had great hands, and a an amazing football brain. Yu cannot seriously have paid any attention to early Crows games at all if Klug makes this side.

If you really want a dud CHF, what about Darren Smith or Alan Bartlett?

Or Scotty?

You crowies, you're nothing if not predictable. Want a bite, slag Scotty. I'm pleased to see nobody fell for it except me! Read this carefully ... Scott was not a centre half forward. He played the position very occasionally as part of Jack's forward rotation with Scott and Darren Smith, but he was a full forward. Much like Tony Lockett is a full forward even though he occasionally played ruck. I know u crowies will never forgive him for not embracing the Hollywood Football Club as wholeheartedly as the rest of u did but u have 2 admit - if Cornes in his manic hatred of all things Port Adelaide had not taken Scott from the ground in the '93 PF when he thought it was stitched up you may have been dancing in the streets like loons four years earlier than you did. And Cornesy might still be coach and his sons might be crowies!!! Aaaahhh call it poison karma ..

Darren Smith .. dud CHF hmmmm, maybe if he was ever given an extended opportunity to play the position we could judge ... but seeing as "supercoach" was always sitting him on flanks and wings (but mostly the bench) we can never really know. But .. and I've kinda lost count ... 7 or 8 premiership medallions with the Magpies - all played at CHF - is a pretty impressive statistic for a "dud CHF".

As for Prince Charles (aka wingnuts Bartlett) don't waste words by adding "CHF" after "dud".

But, to show that I'm not an unreasonable guy, I do agree with your assessment of Klug. He was no dud. Inconsistent maybe, weird to watch yes, but he could do freakish things and he was a goalscorer. If not for his bung knees he might have made a more lasting impact.

 

[Macca19]

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I think its a travesty that Alan Bartlett (one of the worst footballers ive ever seen play teh game) and Paul Patterson (by far the worst Crow player ever) are not given jumpers in the AllDud side.
Peter Turner and Josh Mail can also feel unlucky to have missed out!

 

[dogs105]

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Originally posted by Ford Fairlane


You crowies, you're nothing if not predictable. Want a bite, slag Scotty. I'm pleased to see nobody fell for it except me! Read this carefully ... Scott was not a centre half forward. He played the position very occasionally as part of Jack's forward rotation with Scott and Darren Smith, but he was a full forward. Much like Tony Lockett is a full forward even though he occasionally played ruck. I know u crowies will never forgive him for not embracing the Hollywood Football Club as wholeheartedly as the rest of u did but u have 2 admit - if Cornes in his manic hatred of all things Port Adelaide had not taken Scott from the ground in the '93 PF when he thought it was stitched up you may have been dancing in the streets like loons four years earlier than you did. And Cornesy might still be coach and his sons might be crowies!!! Aaaahhh call it poison karma ..

Darren Smith .. dud CHF hmmmm, maybe if he was ever given an extended opportunity to play the position we could judge ... but seeing as "supercoach" was always sitting him on flanks and wings (but mostly the bench) we can never really know. But .. and I've kinda lost count ... 7 or 8 premiership medallions with the Magpies - all played at CHF - is a pretty impressive statistic for a "dud CHF".

As for Prince Charles (aka wingnuts Bartlett) don't waste words by adding "CHF" after "dud".

But, to show that I'm not an unreasonable guy, I do agree with your assessment of Klug. He was no dud. Inconsistent maybe, weird to watch yes, but he could do freakish things and he was a goalscorer. If not for his bung knees he might have made a more lasting impact.

Hey I love Scotty as much as the next person!!! (firstly!)

Scotty played CHF for most of the first half of '93, after Mods displaced him from the goalsquare when he was injured.

If you are going to complain about the positions the duds are in, why don't you go back and look at Tredders original line-up.

Darren Smith was a dud at AFL level

(Can't believe I'm saying this) Darren Smith's achievements at SANFL level have nothing to do with the fact he was a dud in the AFL.














and I was just fishing!

 

[Ford Fairlane]

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Originally posted by dogs105


Hey I love Scotty as much as the next person!!! (firstly!)

Scotty played CHF for most of the first half of '93, after Mods displaced him from the goalsquare when he was injured.

If you are going to complain about the positions the duds are in, why don't you go back and look at Tredders original line-up.

Darren Smith was a dud at AFL level

(Can't believe I'm saying this) Darren Smith's achievements at SANFL level have nothing to do with the fact he was a dud in the AFL.














and I was just fishing!

A galaxy too long ago and too far away to get into extended debate over. But I stand by my main points.

1. Scott was not a CHF. The fact Cornesy played him there only tells me what an idiot he was, not that Scott was a CHF. And no matter what song and dance the media made back then, Scott and Mods got along fine and they could work well together as a full forward/forward pocket tandem. I thought they looked really dangerous in that prelim final in 93 and I've never understood why Cornes took Scott off (other than the previous suggestion of Cornes pathological hatred for all things Port).

2. If Darren Smith had the extended opportunities Cornes extended to his bum buddy Bay mates like Rouvray, Murphy, Jameson, Thompson, Viska, Bartlett (one game was one game too many) etc etc then he could have established himself as at least a serviceable AFL CHF. Yes, his SANFL record doesn't qualify him for any AFL status ... but any guy with the sort of record Smithy had at local level could obviously play. For whatever reason though, a lot of football followers in SA (including, sadly some Port supporters) did not like him.

Finally, yes, I know you were fishing. I just felt like chasing some bait this morning.

 

[dogs105]

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Originally posted by Ford Fairlane


A galaxy too long ago and too far away to get into extended debate over. But I stand by my main points.

1. Scott was not a CHF. The fact Cornesy played him there only tells me what an idiot he was, not that Scott was a CHF. And no matter what song and dance the media made back then, Scott and Mods got along fine and they could work well together as a full forward/forward pocket tandem. I thought they looked really dangerous in that prelim final in 93 and I've never understood why Cornes took Scott off (other than the previous suggestion of Cornes pathological hatred for all things Port).

2. If Darren Smith had the extended opportunities Cornes extended to his bum buddy Bay mates like Rouvray, Murphy, Jameson, Thompson, Viska, Bartlett (one game was one game too many) etc etc then he could have established himself as at least a serviceable AFL CHF. Yes, his SANFL record doesn't qualify him for any AFL status ... but any guy with the sort of record Smithy had at local level could obviously play. For whatever reason though, a lot of football followers in SA (including, sadly some Port supporters) did not like him.

Finally, yes, I know you were fishing. I just felt like chasing some bait this morning.

Okay, we agree Scott was not a CHF. You'd also better let Sniper_16 know, because if positions are important he had Rouvray at CHB, Standfield CHF, Keating in a FP, Warrior in the middle, Groom at FF etc etc etc.

 

[Eago77]

It was our first attempt to make the line-ups, we were looking for extra help and i think we have recieved some good suggestions.

Bartlett - can't believe he slipped through the net. Must be looked at if we are serious.

Patterson - again was overlooked and will push hard for inclusion.

Turner - another tall looking for a game. They do have a lot of dud talls though. Maybe the bigger name duds could cause a problem for him.

Mail - i think his name was mentioned originally but for some reason missed selection.

Packer - also looking for inclusion.

On the original selection of Klug, Wellman (emerg)& Connell (emerg).

Wellman - at the crows was fairly much a dud, not with Essendon he is now one of the best defenders in the business. Will not make the amended team IMO.

Klug - will stay in most likelyhood, IMO a dud but not the worst player ever to pull on the famous fruit tingle.

Connell - was originally the toughest decision for me. Besides his disposal a pretty good player. Much the same as Port's Lyle. Maybe a dud, maybe not. Probably will miss out.

As for the Darren Smith debate, truly a great of the SANFL. Not a great of the AFL though, but never a dud IMO, of course i am biased towards him.

Scotty - not a dud, never will be. Was never even close to selection. Not his fault Port didn't get in the AFL in 1991.

Tredders we will have to schedule another selection meeting to finalise the teams shortly.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

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Originally posted by dogs105


Okay, we agree Scott was not a CHF. You'd also better let Sniper_16 know, because if positions are important he had Rouvray at CHB, Standfield CHF, Keating in a FP, Warrior in the middle, Groom at FF etc etc etc.

... and seeing as you love Scotty as much as the next person, I guess you also agree that he's no dud!

your point about player positions is well made, but you'd have to agree that these Teams of the Decade can be a b!tch to place!!!

 

[Eago77]

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Originally posted by dogs105


Okay, we agree Scott was not a CHF. You'd also better let Sniper_16 know, because if positions are important he had Rouvray at CHB, Standfield CHF, Keating in a FP, Warrior in the middle, Groom at FF etc etc etc.

Finding correct positions was quiet a task, so poetic license has been taken

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Eago77
Turner - another tall looking for a game. They do have a lot of dud talls though. Maybe the bigger name duds could cause a problem for him.

Turner was a midfielder, not a tall.

As for the Darren Smith debate, truly a great of the SANFL. Not a great of the AFL though, but never a dud IMO, of course i am biased towards him.

One of the best CHFs in SA history. Held down CHF for about 14 years...8 flags...the real meaning of a big game player! I liked what Dave Mckay said during the 96 GF after he took that floating screamer from the side in the thrid quarter 'Smith might let Port down in the little games that dont matter...but he has never ever let port down in a final of any sort' and that is so true! A true great of the SANFL!!!

 

[Portia]

Smith was like a dodgy jukebox....he always played better when someone hit him.

 

[Eago77]

Sorry Macca, for some reason had him confused with Peter Bennett from North.

 

[sapaul]

John Klug a dud? *giggles*, you really do have no idea do you? Are you 1 of the moronic Port supporters who rang your club last week because you heard the half forward line for next year was going to be Carey Lade Stevens. Many did, haha.

B- Poulton Geister Harley
HB- J.Carr Fieget Breuer
C- Eagleton Rombotis Dickie
HF- Cotton Poole Morton
F- Heaver Hodges Naish
1R- Chalmers Bode D.Brown
INT from- Conway Lockwood Squire Downsborough Hollands Evans Harwood.

Both those Crows sides would kill these Port duds.

 

[PowerKop]

can probably add a few of their recent draftees to this thread.