News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Stiffy_18]

Go over the posts I selected.

You think Sellar is not a spud and will be a good Full Back

You actually want Alwyn Divey at your club, even more than anyone else you've been linked to.

You think McKernan is a tall utility.

You think pick 14 in a weakened draft is too good to give up for Andrew Walker.

You think Zac Clarke has more talent than Sam Jacobs.

You'll wanna hope you're a troll because otherwise you're just an idiot.

Because my opinion is different to yours I must be a troll or an idiot?!

Nice one ****wit!

Fact is you wouldn't have seen Sellar or McKernan play anywhere near as much as I have and you would have absolutely no ****ing idea about them other than reading some draft profile or reading something on BigFooty!

 

[NAUGHT5]

Sellar and 31 for Walker is close to fair.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is overrating Walker.

Walker is worth about pick 20-25 (and that's almost overrating).

So we'll probably get 31 and some sort of sweetner. Which at this stage is likely to be Sellar.

The only reason we could push for more is because he is contracted.

But if he's thought about leaving before, and now again, next year he could easily walk to GWS for next to nothing.

 

[Sin City]

Fact is you wouldn't have seen Sellar or McKernan play anywhere near as much as I have and you would have absolutely no ****ing idea about them other than reading some draft profile or reading something on BigFooty!

Not fact at all, won't bother going into it with an idiot like you who offers nothing other than contradictions but as usual you have no idea what you're talking about. Those are not opinions, they're delusions.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Sellar and 31 for Walker is close to fair.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is overrating Walker.

Walker is worth about pick 20-25 (and that's almost overrating).

So we'll probably get 31 and some sort of sweetner. Which at this stage is likely to be Sellar.

The only reason we could push for more is because he is contracted.

But if he's thought about leaving before, and now again, next year he could easily walk to GWS for next to nothing.

You're joking. There's overrating and in this case, underrating.

I'll keep Walker thanks, if that's all we're getting, and punt on keeping him happy. At worst it seems if he walked to GWS we'd get a pick at the end of the first round as compensation. Worth the risk.

 

[amer]

Jarrad Waite is tall utility, you are kidding yourself if you think that at AFL level McKernan is one. It's KPF or bust for him.

Bookmarked.

He'll play a second ruck/third tall rotating role during his AFL apprenticeship, and will slide to defense when needed. Utility. Anyone who says different hasn't seen enough of him.

 

[Sin City]

Bookmarked.

He'll play a second ruck/third tall rotating role during his AFL apprenticeship, and will slide to defense when needed. Utility. Anyone who says different hasn't seen enough of him.

Can we get rid of these morons please.

 

[Salaryman]

Bookmarked.

He'll play a second ruck/third tall rotating role during his AFL apprenticeship, and will slide to defense when needed. Utility. Anyone who says different hasn't seen enough of him.

Will need to manage his size, he looks more Cameron Cloke than Jarrad Waite at the moment......movement is a bit mechanical for a true AFL utility too....I've been wrong before, but I wasn't completely sold in his draft year, and I'm still not sold

 

[Sin City]

Will need to manage his size, he looks more Cameron Cloke than Jarrad Waite at the moment......movement is a bit mechanical for a true AFL utility too....I've been wrong before, but I wasn't completely sold in his draft year, and I'm still not sold

Exactly. The way these guys rate their players you'd think they'd won the last five premierships.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

I'm thinking if we trade them both to the Crows we're gonna be disappointed with what we get back. But the club will say we did well.

 

[CrowHop]

I'm thinking if we trade them both to the Crows we're gonna be disappointed with what we get back. But the club will say we did well.

I think the Crows are pretty reasonable when trading. Personally I thnk we're a club who are prepared to pay 'fair' value for players, as opposed to blatantly trying to rip clubs off.

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

Just browsing Adelaide's list, I fail to see who we'd be interested in, nor can I see a swagger of picks alone getting this deal done. Apart from obviously McKernan, there is virtually no one else.

I'd much prefer to deal with Port, to be honest.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

I think the Crows are pretty reasonable when trading. Personally I thnk we're a club who are prepared to pay 'fair' value for players, as opposed to blatantly trying to rip clubs off.

Which is why I can't see any value for us in this trade.

If it's a pick in the 20's and a kid thats hardly played a game for two senior players ready to go I don't see how this is of any benefit to us.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Jacobs and Walker for Pick 14 and Seller would do me fine.

 

[CrowHop]

Which is why I can't see any value for us in this trade.

If it's a pick in the 20's and a kid thats hardly played a game for two senior players ready to go I don't see how this is of any benefit to us.

You dont see any value in clubs paying fair value for other players ? What do you want - to get an absolute bargain and nothing else ?

The benefit you speak of would, of course, be list balance.

Trade a ruckman, which you have many good ones, for young KPP's which we can provide. In a perfect scenario, both of our clubs would hopefully win.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

You dont see any value in clubs paying fair value for other players ? What do you want - to get an absolute bargain and nothing else ?

The benefit you speak of would, of course, be list balance.

Trade a ruckman, which you have many good ones, for young KPP's which we can provide. In a perfect scenario, both of our clubs would hopefully win.

I want to get similar value.

McKernan and a pick in the 20's isn't similar value for Walker and Jacobs.

It's making our list weaker and one of our opponents list stronger.

 

[Silvagnis]

Jacobs and Walker for Pick 14 and Seller would do me fine.

What has Sellar done to be worth a contracted player?

Sellar is as likely to succeed at FF as Hampson.

Yet Hampson has legspeed plys great second and third efforts for a guy his size.

The Sellar offer is eerily similar to Sydney supporters expecting a lot for Veszpremi who is another former first round selection.

 

[Stamos]

Id be doing a trade with Sauce that can grab us a pick on traded to Dogs for Andrejs Everitt. Sauce for Everitt, IMO would be a fair deal.

Don't we have enough half-back-flankers?

 

[Blue Dimension]

One would think that I would have faith in our club to do the right deal. Yet my mind travels back to us almost trading Fevola for Rischiteli and Bradshaw.

Suddenly I don't quite have the same confidence.

I'm telling you right now if the club trades Andrew Walker we will be dudded in whatever trade we're offered, simply put because Walker is more valuable to us than whatever any club will be wiling to give. Walker will be important to us up forward with some strengthening and conditioning over the pre season.

Don't do it Carlton, don't do it.

 

[krayfesh]

One would think that I would have faith in our club to do th right deal. Yet my mind travels back to us almost trading Fevola for Rischiteli and Bradshaw.

Suddenly I don't quite have the same confidence.

Slightly different, I would think.

We were at the point where we would trade Fev for almost anything.

We're in no such position with Walker/Jacobs and so we'll wait for the right deal.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

What has Sellar done to be worth a contracted player?

Sellar is as likely to succeed at FF as Hampson.

Yet Hampson has legspeed plys great second and third efforts for a guy his size.

The Sellar offer is eerily similar to Sydney supporters expecting a lot for Veszpremi who is another former first round selection.

Seller was drafted as a KPP with bucket loads of talent. As mentioned in another thread, he reminds me a lot of Dawes, a big bodied forward, who can take a clunk, has a reliable boot and fills the need for us in regards to allowing Hendo to play further up the ground, Waite either that High HFF or behind the ball.
Kreuzer will take a little while to recover, but when he does a 3 pronged attack of Kreuzer, Henderson and Seller would cause a fair bit of heartache from most back lines.
Walker for mine needs a new environment, id love to keep him, but i dont think he will be wearing the navy blue next year.

time will tell

 

[CrowHop]

Which is why I can't see any value for us in this trade.

If it's a pick in the 20's and a kid thats hardly played a game for two senior players ready to go I don't see how this is of any benefit to us.

Ok, no worries. I was speaking about us being 'fair' in general, not specifically about the trade you were referring to.

 

[Salaryman]

Seller was drafted as a KPP with bucket loads of talent. As mentioned in another thread, he reminds me a lot of Dawes, a big bodied forward, who can take a clunk, has a reliable boot and fills the need for us in regards to allowing Hendo to play further up the ground, Waite either that High HFF or behind the ball.
Kreuzer will take a little while to recover, but when he does a 3 pronged attack of Kreuzer, Henderson and Seller would cause a fair bit of heartache from most back lines.
Walker for mine needs a new environment, id love to keep him, but i dont think he will be wearing the navy blue next year.

time will tell

Have you seen him play this year??

 

[Stamos]

I'm telling you right now if the club trades Andrew Walker we will be dudded in whatever trade we're offered, simply put because Walker is more valuable to us than whatever any club will be wiling to give. Walker will be important to us up forward with some strengthening and conditioning over the pre season.

Don't do it Carlton, don't do it.

This

 

[Blue Dimension]

Slightly different, I would think.

We were at the point where we would trade Fev for almost anything.

We're in no such position with Walker/Jacobs and so we'll wait for the right deal.

Fair point. However if these suggestions about Sellar going down to Visy for a test today (or whenever) are true, I think it is a worrying sign.

If you mean he'll play ~22 games (fitness allowing) and the rest will take care of itself, you're probably right - which is why I said that if Carlton have a specific need for him and expect him to play a full season next year, it's not as much of an issue.

But if he's going to be in and out of the side a bit, or play as a bit of a Mr Fixit and get thrown all over the place, he may consider leaving at the end of his contract (again, based on the fact he apparently wanted to last year, but was talked out of it).

All I'm saying is that if he isn't a lock for a spot in your 22, then now is the time to make the trade.

If he is, and he isn't desperate to leave, then I agree, you'd prefer to keep him.

I agree with what you have said here.

But Andrew Walker will be a certain starter in our 22, form permitting (contrary to what some posters on this board might add). Regardless of what club he is at, if he is not in form he will not play and that's exactly what happened this year. The issue is not the fact that we don't have a spot for him, the issue lies in his ability to produce his best football consistently. This will be no different at any other club.

Afaik Walker played in defence all throughout this year. Only twice (from memory) was his role changed to a defensive forward, so it's not like we're throwing him around the park despite his ability to play in most positions.

Imo, and I have said this for years, he's best suited as a forward and I think he will be more able to consistently produce his best footy there. As seen in the elimination final he can be both dangerous in the air and on the ground.

Carlton are absolutely nuts if they let him go. If you nab him for a decent price Carlton will be sorry imho.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Have you seen him play this year??

I must admit no i have not, but like Leigh Brown, Chris Dawes & JPod to some extent, big guys need an opportunity and continuity in game play. Sure Seller may well be down on his pre-draft hype, but his talent at the time was unquestionable. We are in desperate need of another KPF. Waite is not that player, he is the perfect 3rd forward, a high forward for that matter, or a swing man. Trust me Dawes needs an opportunity and he was never going to get a look in at the Crows with Tippet there as they are similar type players in that they need to be close to goal.