News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Stiffy_18]

Knights has just re-signed for 2 years, so no we won't be getting Knights

Another bright one!

But some of your lot just seem to disagree

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19052310&postcount=190

 

[Blue Bloods]

Since you lot are so ademant that you will be getting the likes of Talia, McKernan, Davis, Taylor Walker, Knights, Otten, Pick 14 et al.....which one if you is game enough to put a wager on it?!

I am willing to pay up $100 if I am wrong but I am clamining that you will NOT be getting ANY of Talia, Taylor Walker, Davis, Knights, Otten, McKernan! I will go one further and say that the only way you will get pick 14 is if pick 18 (or another 1st rounder) or another key player (read NOT Sam Jacobs) is coming Adelaide's way.

Who is game enough to put their money where their mouth is?!

I agree we will probably not get any of the above players/picks and the Crows will not get Walker or Jacobs either.

That is why the Crows have not received any good players in trade week in recent history and that wont change next year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I agree we will probably not get any of the above players/picks and the Crows will not get Walker or Jacobs either.

That is why the Crows have not received any good players in trade week in recent history and that wont change next year.

Do you want to wager on your claim in this post then?!

You are ademant that we won't get Walker because we won't be giving up any of the things I mentioned in my post, now are you prepared to put a wager on that?!

 

[Blue Bloods]

Do you want to wager on your claim in this post then?!

You are ademant that we won't get Walker because we won't be giving up any of the things I mentioned in my post, now are you prepared to put a wager on that?!

Yeah I wager on BF. **** OFF

 

[Stiffy_18]

Yeah I wager on BF. **** OFF

Thought so!

Just further proves my point. No one is prepared to put their hard earned where their mouth is because deep down they know that what they are claiming is just pure bullshit. Nothing more nothing less!

 

[Aphrodite]

Thought so!

Just further proves my point. No one is prepared to put their hard earned where their mouth is because deep down they know that what they are claiming is just pure bullshit. Nothing more nothing less!

Oh for goodness sake, get a life

This is not the TAB !!!!!!!!

 

[King Elvis]

He's offering free money though

 

[Stiffy_18]

Oh for goodness sake, get a life

This is not the TAB !!!!!!!!

Actually I am not someone that has a bet! I have put a bet on something only 2 times in my life (and won some money when Ricciuto got the Brownlow )

But I digress, the point I am trying to make is that a lot of you are being incredibly unrealistic but are not willing to put you money where the money is. I am being a realist and I am prepared to pay up if I am wrong.

If you are SO convinced that you are right then this should be an easy $100! If not, then that suggests to me that deep down you know that your talk on this matter is full of shit. The offer still stands!

 

[Blue Bloods]

I will say again I will be amazed if we trade with the Crows and no I will not take a promise to pay me if that happens.

 

[Kramer1]

Do you want to wager on your claim in this post then?!

You are ademant that we won't get Walker because we won't be giving up any of the things I mentioned in my post, now are you prepared to put a wager on that?!

Apart from a couple of ambitious posts the likes of T Walker, Davis, Otten and Talia have not formed part of discussions. Not out on much of a limb there are you big man? Knights is apparently off the table which leaves McKernan who has given no indication he wants to go home (nor has Carlton indicated interest). Leaves pick 14 as the only thing of interest meaning the shortest odds are on nothing happening at all. What are your odds for that hero?

 

[Sin City]

Oh please in the 1st 6 weeks of the season everyone gave us a reaming! We kicked 10 goals only once in those 6 weeks and were clearly all over the shop. Any half decent player was tearing us a new one.

So what, he was still clearly BOG in front of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Jamison and other quality players from both teams and that's only one example I gave.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Would rather keep Walker and trade Jacobs for one of their young KPP's (that's even IF any of them were on the table which seems unlikely at this stage).

 

[Aphrodite]

He's offering free money though

$100.00 pfffffft.

That's small change

 

[mediumsizered]

Thought so!

Just further proves my point. No one is prepared to put their hard earned where their mouth is because deep down they know that what they are claiming is just pure bullshit. Nothing more nothing less!

Take it elsewhere. You know as little as just about anyone else on BF about what is going to transpire during trade week. You're sounding just like the Eagles supporters who were adamant/certain the Judd deal would not be done without the #1 draft pick heading to the Eagles.

 

[parrot]

Still don't like the idea of trading away quality young players.

Would be VERY happy if both stay.

 

[Blue Ratts]

and who did brisbane get for him again, not a fringe player thats for sure.
would love to know how walker would be rated if he wasnt a number 2 pick and didnt get 27 touches in his first match way back in 2004 i think it was.

We even threw in a free set of steak knives which happened to be their most utilized commodity of the trade.

 

[Silvagnis]

I will go one further and say that the only way you will get pick 14 is if pick 18 (or another 1st rounder) or another key player (read NOT Sam Jacobs) is coming Adelaide's way.

Why is the difference between pick 14 and pick 18 so important for Adelaide?

Given the vagaries of the draft and the fact recruiting is an opinion based industry, not a science, Adelaide or Carlton could select the same player with pick 18. If you want to add to your list, I don't see why Carlton should have to bend to accomodate Adelaide. You expect Carlton to trade a player who is in our best 25 by moving up four places.

You've posted a more valid proposal on your board.

IMHO a realistic trade for Walker is around the mark of the Bock compensation pick. Maybe a bit more but that is roughly the area I expect it to land.

We will not be trading pick 14 for Walker unless it involves pick 18 coming our way and us sending additional pick or a player to Calton.

I personally think that Bock's compensation pick for Walker is a true reflexion of his current standing in the AFL. I would be happy to increase that offer slightly to Pick 14, Bock's compo pick to Carlton, Walker and pick 18 to Crows.

If Adelaide don't want Jacobs, I'd trade Walker plus picks 18>pick 14 and 26.

Adelaide get Walker for a second round pick whilst keeping a first round pick

Interesting to read about Mattthew Clarke's comments about Walker and Jacobs on 5AA.

Matthew Clarke, who has just been appointed to a full time assistant coach role in charge of the rucks and mid-field was on 5AA this morning.

He was asked about the possible trade for Walker and Jacobs, what he thought of it and what he thought we'd have to give up.

He said that Walker fits perfectly into what the club was wanting - a HF, mid-fielder type with pace. Also with Griffin almost certainly gone, we will need another ruckman.

As for what we would have to give up for the Carlton pair he wasn't overly specific other than to say that he thought it would involve one of our talls and what we get for Griffin from Freo. I would take it that's not necessarily all, but would form a good part of it.

Obviously that would exclude Tippett, Walker, Davis and Rutten who are the KPP's of our best 22.

The potential tallls to trade would have to come then from McKernan, Moran, Sellar, Talia and Will Young.

I would have thought that McKernan and Talia are off limits so that leaves Moran, Sellar and Young.

Carlton desperately need a KPP defender, so all 3 could qualify in this respect.

I know the club has big wraps on Young and see him as the ultimate replacement for Rutten, so if it were him he'd come at a high price to Carlton. That's if they would let him go.

Sellar and Moran would come at a more reasonable cost, and IMO Sellar would be the one that would be better for Carlton because he has plenty of physicality about him, although Moran is exceptionally mobile for a big man.

To me it makes sense that the trade does include one of these players, given that we do have a surplus of talls.

I don't want Sellar or Moran.

And Sellar is a physical player.

LOL.

Even Setanta had a better year and has more shit on the liver than Sellar.

We're hated and deluded for overrating our players, yet they want to give us Sellar or a third round pick for Jacobs.

Get real you idiot, the only thing that will be involved in the Walker/Jacobs trade is draft picks. Jacobs is worth no more than a 3rd rounder (he isn't ****ing Sandilands like he is being made out to be), and Bock's compensation pick is definetley around the mark for Walker. I never understood why everyone absolutley hated Carlton supporters, I now know why, they are completley deluded to the value of their playing list and severley overrate it.

I think this suggestion preceded that post.

I'm not particularly interested in this kind of talk because I hate to speculate, but my guess is:

Walker, Jacobs, 3rd rounder > 2nd rounder, compensation pick

And we have to add our third rounder to get what Jacobs and Walker would probably be worth in this draft on their lonesome.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I'm sick and tired of hearing from these crows supporters already!!!
If they think we are that stupid as to give Jacobs and Walker away for a pick in the high teens, then they are the stupid ONES!!!!!!

I suggest they get a top 10 pick from somewhere before they return. For the last time, Walker is contracted and Jacobs doesn't want to leave!!!!

 

[Malifice]

Adelaide have a bunch of endurance players that have crappy disposal, hesitant decision making and inept tackling aptitude, with drinking misdemenors. Walker would be right at home.

I found this funny.

You left out line breaking and injury prone.

 

[Artie Bucco]

I'd rather we keep Walker, played as a HFF'er will be a good player. Adelaide don't look like giving up anything good...Sellar please.

Jacobs likewise, keep him unless we get an offer we can't refuse

 

[arsene wenger1]

haha, i luv how the carlton supporters dont want to do a trade with adelaide because the crows supporters dont want to give up quality young talls. like any of us have any control over whats gonna happen.

 

[Big Red is back]

Look I can guarantee u that Jacobs alone is worth pick 14.

Plenty of examples of this being a fair price

- Cameron Wood
- B French
- Jolly (much older)

So crows supporters grow up. Good young ruckman minimum price is top 20 pick.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Look I can guarantee u that Jacobs alone is worth pick 14.

Plenty of examples of this being a fair price

- Cameron Wood
- B French
- Jolly (much older)

So crows supporters grow up. Good young ruckman minimum price is top 20 pick.

oh boy you've just shot yourself in the foot now. you've given 3 examples of clubs trading 1st round picks for ruckman. wood isn't worth a 1st round pick mate, collingwood over paid. so because collingwood made a stupid mistake does that mean we have to aswell. jolly is the only one on that list worth a 1st rounder. the cameron wood trade actually helps adelaides argument.

 

[Big Red is back]

oh boy you've just shot yourself in the foot now. you've given 3 examples of clubs trading 1st round picks for ruckman. wood isn't worth a 1st round pick mate, collingwood over paid. so because collingwood made a stupid mistake does that mean we have to aswell. jolly is the only one on that list worth a 1st rounder. the cameron wood trade actually helps adelaides argument.

Market price for ruckman is typically pick 11 to 20 per examples. Simply fact.

Pick 20 to 30 is useless in a weak draft so enjoy 2011 without a ruckman.

 

[Big Red is back]

oh boy you've just shot yourself in the foot now. you've given 3 examples of clubs trading 1st round picks for ruckman. wood isn't worth a 1st round pick mate, collingwood over paid. so because collingwood made a stupid mistake does that mean we have to aswell. jolly is the only one on that list worth a 1st rounder. the cameron wood trade actually helps adelaides argument.

Cameron Wood is an example that an young ruckman with potential is going to get a top 20 pick, sometimes it will backfire sometimes it will not.

But any young ruck who can dominate an AFL final like he did is going to get a top 20 pick if not from the crows then from port or even the gold coast.