Crows reserve side

[Papa G]

Spot on the problem is no one has the guts to push it

Sooner some one just says to a SANFL club you are now the Crows reserve side the better stop pussy footing around and make the big call

South?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The system in South Australia doesn’t support the most important commodity the clubs have, the players. The players are the most important asset this game has, without the players – history and tradition don’t exist. So they need to start treating the player with a bit of respect.

The remaining player are treaded appallingly, there is no system like this anywhere in the world. Left over players shipped off to various sides. It's bullshit. ML Baseball has a farm system but at least they all play for the same club. EPL Soccer, players get loaned out but only for a small amount of time before they are given back to their original club or sold. NBA Basketball, players are sent to a development league but they all play for the same club. AFL player in South Australia are treaded appallingly.

Australian cricketers go back to play for various states. And below that state cricketers (and sometimes Aus cricketers too) go back to play for various clubs. Yet somehow we have been the best team for the last 15 years.

 

[birdmanptr]

That'll go down well with the SANFL clubs

I dont think it would but if it were not for the Crows money how many of these clubs would still be around

I would have a guess and say there is only 2-3 clubs that could cut it on their own the others wait for the Crows money

So my tactics would not go down well but without us there would be a lot clubs not surviving

 

[birdmanptr]

South?

That would me my first choice followed by West but South at Norlunga good area

 

[Alex99]

Australian cricketers go back to play for various states. And below that state cricketers (and sometimes Aus cricketers too) go back to play for various clubs. Yet somehow we have been the best team for the last 15 years.

Australia best – yep, no problem. But that had more to do with generational player like Warne, McGrath and Ponting who were so much better than everyone else.

But let’s talk about South Australia – yeah, the system works real well for them. We haven’t developed a regular Australian player since the Chappell brothers. Lehmann, Hookes, Blewett were not regular players and don’t talk about Tait and we haven’t won anything for 10 odd years.

 

[brucetiki]

I dont think it would but if it were not for the Crows money how many of these clubs would still be around

I would have a guess and say there is only 2-3 clubs that could cut it on their own the others wait for the Crows money

So my tactics would not go down well but without us there would be a lot clubs not surviving

Yes, but remember the SANFL clubs effectively own the Crows, not the other way around.

 

[Vader]

Australia best – yep, no problem. But that had more to do with generational player like Warne, McGrath and Ponting who were so much better than everyone else.

But let’s talk about South Australia – yeah, the system works real well for them. We haven’t developed a regular Australian player since the Chappell brothers. Lehmann, Hookes, Blewett were not regular players and don’t talk about Tait and we haven’t won anything for 10 odd years.

Dizzy Gillespie says hi.

 

[Alex99]

Spot on the problem is no one has the guts to push it

Sooner some one just says to a SANFL club you are now the Crows reserve side the better stop pussy footing around and make the big call

Port go with Port and we go with who ever does not matter any one at that club not happy See you later both on and off field wont be hard filling the gaps

Why does any SANFL club deserve to die or lose there identity?

Having a 10th Crows reserves side doesn’t make either of these things to occur.

 

[brucetiki]

Australia best – yep, no problem. But that had more to do with generational player like Warne, McGrath and Ponting who were so much better than everyone else.

But let’s talk about South Australia – yeah, the system works real well for them. We haven’t developed a regular Australian player since the Chappell brothers. Lehmann, Hookes, Blewett were not regular players and don’t talk about Tait and we haven’t won anything for 10 odd years.

SA would be an exception and not the norm though. The system works well in most states.

 

[Alex99]

Dizzy Gillespie says hi.

Awesome – 1 in 30 odd years

 

[amer]

Wow thanks for that princess.

I could also argue that those who want the SANFL to pretty much die aren't real supporters either so maybe we can swap tickets or somethin ya?

Hahaha C98/RL, nah I'm a bloke.

Roosterlad, if you're going to chuck threats around about how you won't support the Crows if this or whatever happens, I don't see why you bought a season ticket. Everyone gets that there is passion in all levels of footy, it's the nature of our game, but the reality is that while at one time the SANFL and VFL were the top competitions in our game, they aren't anymore. Footballers come through the system aspiring to play AFL footy, and the highest rating game of the year is not the SANFL grand final. AFL footy is the top dog, and knocking AFL clubs for giving themselves the best chance to develop the kids they draft smacks of delusion and a chip on the shoulder regarding the SANFL's position in today's game.

Another thing, I get the strong impression from a lot of SANFL followers that they believe they're part of some sort of magical group that has more passion for its clubs than any others possibly could. I know local footy is extremely passionate and that's great, but ffs I'm sick of the snotty view that you can't be just as passionate following a club at the highest level. Your whole post reeks of this **** roosterlad.

If you would actually stop supporting the Crows for the reasons stated, you're only really paying lip service to them in the first place. You may as well hand your season ticket to someone who bleeds the colours.

 

[brucetiki]

Hahaha C98/RL, nah I'm a bloke.

Roosterlad, if you're going to chuck threats around about how you won't support the Crows if this or whatever happens, I don't see why you bought a season ticket. Everyone gets that there is passion in all levels of footy, it's the nature of our game, but the reality is that while at one time the SANFL and VFL were the top competitions in our game, they aren't anymore.

The current VFL (former VFA) hasn't been the top competition in Victoria since the late 1800's. The VFL you're referring to is still the top comp in the our game, it's just expanded/evolved and become the AFL.

 

[sigur]

How exactly is a crows reserve side competing in the SANFL better than the current system?

How about someone posts a crows reserves side with players in their 'desired' positions, explain where the remaining players come from, who pays for them (and how much is their salary cap), and then tell me why this is better for the player development than battling it out for a spot in their sanfl side.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Awesome – 1 in 30 odd years

So you're saying we should copy the obviously better systems they use in other states?

 

[Alex99]

How exactly is a crows reserve side competing in the SANFL better than the current system?

How about someone posts a crows reserves side with players in their 'desired' positions, explain where the remaining players come from, who pays for them (and how much is their salary cap), and then tell me why this is better for the player development than battling it out for a spot in their sanfl side.

Step one) it gives the Adelaide crows control of their own players.

Until that occurs, the rest is irrelevant.

 

[Alex99]

So you're saying we should copy the obviously better systems they use in other states?

Na, I’m saying we shouldn’t stick out heads in the sand and continue to be unique with a system that isn’t rewarding the correct commodity. As a football club we need to be able to control our own destiny from A all the way through to Z.

The Adelaide Football Club doesn’t control their players, until that happens – the system (any system used) isn’t good enough for me.

 

[sigur]

Step one) it gives the Adelaide crows control of their own players.

Until that occurs, the rest is irrelevant.

'Please Explain!'

What do you mean by 'control'? Crows listed SANFL players only train once a week with the SANFL team, the rest of the time they are in complete Crows control. What exactly is lacking?

 

[Alex99]

'Please Explain!'

What do you mean by 'control'? Crows listed SANFL players only train once a week with the SANFL team, the rest of the time they are in complete Crows control. What exactly is lacking?

Let’s say we want Taylor walker to open the bowling from the River Torrens end but Norwood see him as an opening batter. Norwood who control him on match day, play him as an opening batter and he doesn’t see the new cherry all day. Our plans to develop a new bowler are down the drain.

That’s how we don’t have control. You only learn so much at training or bowling in the nets.

 

[birdmanptr]

Why does any SANFL club deserve to die or lose there identity?

Having a 10th Crows reserves side doesn’t make either of these things to occur.

Never said they would die they would still be the same club same ground same colours just run by Triggy and Co

If they went top their name would still be on the cup and in the record books

 

[sigur]

Let’s say we want Taylor walker to open the bowling from the River Torrens end but Norwood see him as an opening batter. Norwood who control him on match day, play him as an opening batter and he doesn’t see the new cherry all day. Our plans to develop a new bowler are down the drain.

That’s how we don’t have control. You only learn so much at training or bowling in the nets.

Is that really happening though?

What do you do if you have 5 guys who you want to play ruck? What do you do if you've got a kid who's still too small or skinny to play league?

 

[Alex99]

Is that really happening though?

What do you do if you have 5 guys who you want to play ruck? What do you do if you've got a kid who's still too small or skinny to play league?

Well you have much better list management for a start, why have 5 ruckman in the magoos.

 

[Alex99]

Never said they would die they would still be the same club same ground same colours just run by Triggy and Co

If they went top their name would still be on the cup and in the record books

Putting it that way, it sounds fair. But I cannot see any club agreeing to it because of the fear of losing their identity.

 

[sigur]

Well you have much better list management for a start, why have 5 ruckman in the magoos.

Crows have 6 rucks right now, play 2 in the AFL and you've still got 4 playing 'reserves' if all are fit.

 

[neddy36]

Crows have 6 rucks right now, play 2 in the AFL and you've still got 4 playing 'reserves' if all are fit.

You make a good point. Two would play AFL, two would play Adelaide Reserves and one, maybe two would play Adelaide Reserves Reserves.

So you have one, maybe two of your ruckman playing 3rd tier football. We saw how well Matt Lobbe developed playing for West after languishing in 3rd tier football. If used properly, which SANFL clubs mainly want to do for their own reasons too, it can hasten a players development.

With a Crows player assigned to the 9 SANFL teams, you could have all 4 non-AFL playing ruckman playing significant time at the second tier.

It's quite clear in this argument that the majority of people who attend SANFL regularly don't want a Reserves team, whilst the ones that attend only AFL games want a reserves team. It will be a never ending debate but I encourage the ones who don't visit SANFL to check it out if you have the chance. I love attending SANFL football and would hate to see it regress after promising years growth, just to appease two AFL teams.

 

[Woodpecker Warrior]

I dont think it would but if it were not for the Crows money how many of these clubs would still be around

I would have a guess and say there is only 2-3 clubs that could cut it on their own the others wait for the Crows money

So my tactics would not go down well but without us there would be a lot clubs not surviving

It's SANFL Money which the Crows contribute to , little thing called stadium to play at and land to build facilities on is not a bad return.

But of course the financial backing and support for the Crows from the SANFL and the 9 clubs in the early years made no contribution to the current stability of the AFC