Crows squad V Essendon

[Crow-mo]

But pre-season form is very misleading. Those youngsters have been getting much more game time than some of the 2nd tier players and as such they will have bigger impacts on games and hence better form.

I think people are reading WAY too much into players form in piss weak, meaningless practice games where we were playing 28 players.

When its all said and done, selectors will pick players that

a) have had a good pre-season (rather than pre-season match form)
b) fill a need
c) have proven that they can get the job done

Just because Knights ran rampant in the PS games doesn't mean he is ready for the real stuff where the pace of the game and ferocity of contest lifts up a couple of notches at least. Not that I am saying he is not ready but just using him as an example.

These proven veterans (to use yank term) pace themselves through the PS games. They just go out for a bit of a hitout, to shake the rust off and the #1 priority is not to get injured. Form is not really much of a consideration at this stage.

Porps only missed 2 games with a sore knee. Came back to play in our last game against freo and played last week with the Westies in Tassie. I am pretty sure the selectors would see him as a player that has cemented a spot in the 22 or at the very least is on the brink of doing so. He will get the nod over Knight and Douglas IMHO and rightly so.

If PS form was be all and end all then Perrie wouldn't even get a sniff, let alone be named in the side. Yeah I know we are short on talls be there are other ways to play than having a 2 tall forward line.

Yup. spot on.

 

[Drummond]

But pre-season form is very misleading. Those youngsters have been getting much more game time than some of the 2nd tier players and as such they will have bigger impacts on games and hence better form.

I think people are reading WAY too much into players form in piss weak, meaningless practice games where we were playing 28 players.

When its all said and done, selectors will pick players that

a) have had a good pre-season (rather than pre-season match form)
b) fill a need
c) have proven that they can get the job done

Just because Knights ran rampant in the PS games doesn't mean he is ready for the real stuff where the pace of the game and ferocity of contest lifts up a couple of notches at least. Not that I am saying he is not ready but just using him as an example.

These proven veterans (to use yank term) pace themselves through the PS games. They just go out for a bit of a hitout, to shake the rust off and the #1 priority is not to get injured. Form is not really much of a consideration at this stage.

Porps only missed 2 games with a sore knee. Came back to play in our last game against freo and played last week with the Westies in Tassie. I am pretty sure the selectors would see him as a player that has cemented a spot in the 22 or at the very least is on the brink of doing so. He will get the nod over Knight and Douglas IMHO and rightly so.

If PS form was be all and end all then Perrie wouldn't even get a sniff, let alone be named in the side. Yeah I know we are short on talls be there are other ways to play than having a 2 tall forward line.

Gee, in that case why did he play in the preseason? I mean what the heck did he even play for if he had nothing to gain by it. That's ridiculous Stiffy. He has NOTHING to gain by playing in the SANFL, and he's only being wasted down there. He is ready to play AFL football, let him!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Gee, in that case why did he play in the preseason? I mean what the heck did he even play for if he had nothing to gain by it. That's ridiculous Stiffy. He has NOTHING to gain by playing in the SANFL, and he's only being wasted down there. He is ready to play AFL football, let him!

FFS dude stop twisting it around to make a pathetic little point that doesn't wash.

Knights is not a 2nd tier player. He is a ****ing youngster and obviously as a youngster you want to take every opportunity that comes your way. These games do have meaning for youngsters

a) they get to play more than usual and at a lower pace and ferocity
b) this is their chance to put their name up for discussion. So if they had a good PS and they are fighting for a spot with someone else, they see this as an opportunity to get that little advantage.

Knights and other youngsters like Griffin, Douglas, Tippett, Vince, Pfeiffer and even Van Berlo had a lot to gain by playing well in the PS. 2nd tier players like Bode, Shirley, Torney, Doughty, Stevens etc really didn't. None of them will lose their spot on PS match form. They might lose it because someone else has overtaken them in the pecking order but match committe is not going to come to a meeting and say, Gee Shirley had an ordinary game on the weekend I think we need to drop him and bring in Drummond's love child Pfeiffer in instead

NO ONE here knows more than the match committee that see the ENTIRE pre-season from these players and they would be the ones that are best educated to make a call. Just because you see a youngster perform well in PS doesn't mean they are ready to be a regular contributor come the season proper.

Griffin had a fantastic PS match form for a youngster yet I very much doubt he will have as much impact in the season proper. Its a whole new ball game.

Knights might be ready to take the next step but heirarchy would know that better than we do. And just because he is dominating the SANFL doesn't mean there is nothing there for him to learn or to develop. There are aspects of the game that can be honed and perfected in a lower grade comp even though you are dominating there. Exposal is one of those.

IMHO, Knights will play a LOT of games for us this year but that doesn't mean that he has over taken someone you don't particularly like.

Next time READ S-L-O-W-L-Y before you go off half cocked

 

[-VC-]

Mattner on the wing. Van Berlo on the ball. **** yeah!

 

[Drummond]

Blah blah blah Stiffy enough of your essays already.

 

[Crow-mo]

Next time READ S-L-O-W-L-Y before you go off half cocked

when that happens, we know someone has stolen Drummond's logon details

 

[bigman]

This is a no boner.

You must go for youth in an ageing side.

You must have your eye on the medium and long term as well as the short term. To do so otherwise would be selling the side short next year or the year after. We need to get 20-30 games under these guys belts when Macca, Edwards, Roo and goody retires.

We have an ageing midfield. We need ready made replacements. Give Douglas and Knights and Porplycia their heads.

Bode must only be picked if his form is better than these boys.

Perrie lucky our options are restricted in the big man department.

I would be looking at his form closely and that of Tippetts in the next few weeks. If Perrie underperforms give him the rasberry and sarse and bring in the fit and pack marking Tippett.

 

[relapse]

If they leave both Knights and Douglas out of the side then I seriously have to wonder what our agenda is for the year. Are we going to waste another year trying to chase the impossible dream ??

 

[relapse]

This is a no boner.

You must go for youth in an ageing side.

You must have your eye on the medium and long term as well as the short term. To do so otherwise would be selling the side short next year or the year after. We need to get 20-30 games under these guys belts when Macca, Edwards, Roo and goody retires.

We have an ageing midfield. We need ready made replacements. Give Douglas and Knights and Porplycia their heads.

Bode must only be picked if his form is better than these boys.

Perrie lucky our options are restricted in the big man department.

I would be looking at his form closely and that of Tippetts in the next few weeks. If Perrie underperforms give him the rasberry and sarse and bring in the fit and pack marking Tippett.

I am in total agreeance with you, its time to put the framework into place for the future and get some games under these players belts otherwise they go from promising 21 year old players to 23 year old players that havent had much experience and then they are expected to come into the side and do well even though they have hardly played.

 

[jenny61_99]

It's a tough one for sure. I'm not sure I'd sacrifice the known (Bode) with an un-known (Knights/Douglas). Having said that, it is at home against the Bombers, probably a good time to do it.... also gives Bodey the big warning - lift your game.

Impressed how good the line-up looks on paper despite the injury list longer than the great wall of china.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Fully agree with bigman and relapse but I fear that Stiffy is right and both Douglas and Knights will be the ones to miss out this week.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

IMHO, Knights will play a LOT of games for us this year but that doesn't mean that he has over taken someone you don't particularly like.

Unfortunately this does seem to overtake the emotions of some more than it should.

 

[Mad Dog]

IMHO,

INT: Griffin, Shirley, Bode and Porplyzia.

Douglas and Knights very unlucky. If Bode does miss out then I think Douglas will come in because you would suspect that Porplyzia will be able to replace Bode in the forward line and Douglas gives us an extra midfielder.

I still have a feeling that Vince, Douglas and Knights will miss out.

this is the way they will go ..... although Douglas deserves a game with possibly Porps missing.

I don't reckon they will play Porps and Bode in the same side........one of the 2 will miss

 

[Markthirtytwo]

My choice is Bode, Porps and Shirls.

We need to get off to a good start and nothing beats experience.

 

[-VC-]

This is a no boner.
You must go for youth in an ageing side.

You must have your eye on the medium and long term ...

Nah, Stiffy's been name in the back pocket.

 

[Eggzoi]

From the bench I reckon Knights and Douglas are a must. They are simply too good to not be in the team. I keep seeing people saying Porp's due to his experience, now I really like him but Knights has actually played more games and had the far superior pre-season. Also in my mind it would be rediculous to leave Douglas out, had a fantastic few games so far. I know it's only pre season games so far but to those that say Bode has nothing to prove, I reckon that's rubbish. Bode can't ever just cruise along and be a guaranteed pick, he's just not good enough and that goes for about 15 more players in the side. Mcleod, Goodwin, Edwards are guaranteed picks, Bode, Shirley, Doughty, Torney, Mattner, Thompson and Reilly are all players that have to demand their spot.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

Everyone (including myself) puts VB in their starting 22, but I reckon we forget how old he is a lot of the time....Douglas and Knights have shown a fair bit in the PS....anyone think that maybe, just maybe, VB might miss? Highly unlikely but gee whiz you want to see blokes like Douglas get games.

 

[relapse]

It's a tough one for sure. I'm not sure I'd sacrifice the known (Bode) with an un-known (Knights/Douglas). Having said that, it is at home against the Bombers, probably a good time to do it.... also gives Bodey the big warning - lift your game.

Impressed how good the line-up looks on paper despite the injury list longer than the great wall of china.

The only thing that most know about Bode is that in relation to the pick we traded him is that we massively overpaid for him. He is a fringe player at best and a constant reminder of some of one of our recruiting blunders. He has had that long and so many chances he isnt going to get any better than he already is so I think unless it is 100 percent cruicial that he must be in the side then I think there are many others that should come in. He is always going to be 5 out 10 ranked player IMO.

 

[bus24]

Whats the bet we ignore the talented youth that could very well have a bright future and play guys that are average at best.

Leading to about 5th spot this year and a much bleaker future, when we may have had a realistic chance at a flag.

 

[-VC-]

Everyone (including myself) puts VB in their starting 22, but I reckon we forget how old he is a lot of the time....Douglas and Knights have shown a fair bit in the PS....anyone think that maybe, just maybe, VB might miss? Highly unlikely but gee whiz you want to see blokes like Douglas get games.

He's named in the 18 so he won't miss unless He is injured or if He chooses that playing Essendon is below him.

 

[relapse]

Whats the bet we ignore the talented youth that could very well have a bright future and play guys that are average at best.

Leading to about 5th spot this year and a much bleaker future, when we may have had a realistic chance at a flag.

This is what worries me. Chasing the impossible dream, playing guys like bode etc and ignoring the youth and then expecting guys like Knights and Douglas to come into the side down the track at 23-24 years of age without much AFL experience behind them and then they are expected to dominate.

We arent going to get anywhere and things will be worse for the future if we persist with keeping guys regularly in our 22 that are really going nowhere and are just fridge players who dont appear like they will get any better than they already are.

 

[Crow-mo]

The only thing that most know about Bode is that in relation to the pick we traded him is that we massively overpaid for him.

in 2000. geez move on dude.

He is a fringe player at best and a constant reminder of some of one of our recruiting blunders.

7 years on, and you've not noticed he ranked higher than over 30 other players on list in the B&F last season. yes, that matters.

He has had that long and so many chances he isnt going to get any better than he already is so I think unless it is 100 percent cruicial that he must be in the side then I think there are many others that should come in. He is always going to be 5 out 10 ranked player IMO.

check out what he did last season, and then tell us whether he needs to get any better?

 

[jenny61_99]

The only thing that most know about Bode is that in relation to the pick we traded him is that we massively overpaid for him. He is a fringe player at best and a constant reminder of some of one of our recruiting blunders. He has had that long and so many chances he isnt going to get any better than he already is so I think unless it is 100 percent cruicial that he must be in the side then I think there are many others that should come in. He is always going to be 5 out 10 ranked player IMO.

Bode had an absolutely sensational season last year! Seriously, what does the lad have to do to prove himself?????

 

[jenny61_99]

check out what he did last season, and then tell us whether he needs to get any better?

One of the few times I agree with you CM.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Whats the bet we ignore the talented youth that could very well have a bright future and play guys that are average at best.

Leading to about 5th spot this year and a much bleaker future, when we may have had a realistic chance at a flag.

I seriously doubt it.