Crows V Roos

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by Michele
What have yoou got for brains? Sawdust.

"Not one Roo player came over to shake a hand of a Crows player", could also read, "Not ONE CROW player came over to shake the hands of North players."
"Very poor sportsmanship by the Crows players".

You're wrong Michele.

Our players were not the ones who pretty much bolted off the grounds and turned their backs on the opposition. No, that was your boys.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Michele
Stiffy and Macca,

I have just had a glace at a thread entitled, "DROP CAREY".

I can't see why you 2 geniuses are not on the Crows selection committee.

I just had a look at the thread myself, Lady Einstein.

As I never posted any comment at all on that thread in respect to Carey, would you mind explaining the basis of your latest absurd statement???

 

[Babylove]

Can I just say, and I am neither a Kangaroo or a Crow supporter that I think that you should back off on Anthony Stevens a bit. First of all I think you will find that the Kangaroo players did shake the hands of Crows players, but the cameras were solely focused on Wayne Carey.

And I watched the end of the match, and Anthony Stevens turned and walked off towards his rooms when he saw Wayne Carey head for where he was. Can you blame him. This is the guy, who Anthony considered his Best Mate, who had an affair with his wife.

This is also the first time that they have come face-to-face since it happened. Please, I am not insulting anyone. My Dad is an Adelaide Crows supporter, so I do have a soft spot for them. And I also like a few of your players, especially Mark Bickley, Ben Hart, Nigel Smart and Andrew McLeod. But you have to see where Anthony Stevens is coming from.

I think if it was a case of the other players not shaking the other Crows players hands then that is wrong and unexceptable. But for Anthony Stevens, this last week, and this game would have been even harder for him, facing Carey, than it would have been for Carey. It would bought back a lot of hurt, and betrayal that he has been trying to get past.

I mean put yourself in his position. You best friend, has an affair with your partner. How are you going to feel about it? And how are you going to feel when you next see that former best friend, whether it be the next year, or 12 months later?

Not to mention the fact that he is a very private person, and has had to deal with all of this in the public eye, through no fault of his own.

This is just my opinion, and I am not a supporter of either club. I just thought that it was worth pointing this out.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Babylove
This is also the first time that they have come face-to-face since it happened.

Last year on On the Couch we were told that Carey met Stevens and Archer privately to clear the air. They even shook hands according to Carey! It's probably not such a big deal that Stevens didn't shake Carey's hands after the match, but Stevens' and Archer's behaviour in that second quarter was far from professional.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Babylove
I think that you should back off on Anthony Stevens a bit...

And I watched the end of the match, and Anthony Stevens turned and walked off towards his rooms when he saw Wayne Carey head for where he was. Can you blame him. This is the guy, who Anthony considered his Best Mate, who had an affair with his wife...

But you have to see where Anthony Stevens is coming from...

I mean put yourself in his position. You best friend, has an affair with your partner. How are you going to feel about it? And how are you going to feel when you next see that former best friend, whether it be the next year, or 12 months later?..

What about his wife who was an equal partner in the whole episode who Stevens went back to after all the commotion died down?

Stevens is p1ss-weak. His performance as captain was hilarious and the Kangaroos were out-psyched by the Crows and lost a lot of credibility.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
It was intentional mate. Its not the first time she has given me the sh*ts.

Stiffy, don't take any notice of Michele, as I'm sure she is related to Suzi Olsen ... well at least Suzi would have us believe any way!

 

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by Babylove
And I watched the end of the match, and Anthony Stevens turned and walked off towards his rooms when he saw Wayne Carey head for where he was. Can you blame him. This is the guy, who Anthony considered his Best Mate, who had an affair with his wife.

The fact is that Stevens seemingly can't forgive Carey yet he is still with his wife. It is hypocritical.

 

[Babylove]

In regards to Steven's wife, there is a child involved, he has a daughter, who was about one at the time, and you need to keep that in mind.

The other thing I have to ask, would you be so adamant about this if Carey had decided to play for Sydney or Hawthorn instead of Adelaide?

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by snakebite01
The fact is that Stevens seemingly can't forgive Carey yet he is still with his wife. It is hypocritical.

Don't try to make excuses for Carey, what he did was the scummiest thing any guy could do. Stevens obviously has more belief in the sanctity of marriage than Carey does. What I don't understand is why Carey's wife hasn't given him the flick.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by mic59
What I don't understand is why Carey's wife hasn't given him the flick.

Pretty pathetic statement. You could ask the same of Stevens and his wife.

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by DaveW
Pretty pathetic statement.

The comeback king. Maybe if you have nothing to say you should keep off these boards.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by mic59
The comeback king. Maybe if you have nothing to say you should keep off these boards.

I'm sorry. Does my presence on these boards cause you grief?

 

[mic59]

No, but your attitude towards Carey seems hard to fathom. Not only did he have an affair with his best mate's wife, he has not been out of the news for the same kind of things for most of his career. Whereas the only time Stevens was in the news for something off-field was when he had that accident with a pane of glass. I was only pointing out that Stevens had reasons to make his marriage work, after all his wife made one mistake, while Careys' track record doesn't exactly have him smelling of roses. I think Babylove said it best in pointing out that
1) Stevens has a 1-year old child
2) Would you be so ready to forgive Carey if he was with another club?

And if your wife had an affair, would you drop her like a sack of spuds or try to make the marriage work?

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by mic59
No, but your attitude towards Carey seems hard to fathom.

I have no "attitude towards Carey", I was pointing out the double standard in your attitude.

Not only did he have an affair with his best mate's wife, he has not been out of the news for the same kind of things for most of his career.

Carey is a superstar, crap like that ficticious spa incident comes with the territory.

Whereas the only time Stevens was in the news for something off-field was when he had that accident with a pane of glass.

I suppose that's Carey's fault too?

I was only pointing out that Stevens had reasons to make his marriage work, after all his wife made one mistake, while Careys' track record doesn't exactly have him smelling of roses.

And you don't think its possible that Sally Carey has her reasons to make the marriage work? I don't see why it bugs you so much.

I think Babylove said it best in pointing out that
1) Stevens has a 1-year old child
2) Would you be so ready to forgive Carey if he was with another club?

I don't really see what I have to 'forgive' Carey for, he hasn't wronged me in any way. I felt last year the whole Carey thing was overdone - yes, before he chose to come to the Crows.

And if your wife had an affair, would you drop her like a sack of spuds or try to make the marriage work?

I'd like to believe I'd be strong enough to drop her. But each to their own - its an individual decision. It's obviously a difficult question to answer not actually being in such a situation.

 

[Babylove]

I'd like to believe I'd be strong enough to drop her. But each to their own - its an individual decision. It's obviously a difficult question to answer not actually being in such a situation.

Can I just say that this is the point that I have been trying to make. Most of us have not been in this situation so we cannot judge. And therefore I don't think anyone can judge Anthony Stevens for how he reacted to Wayne Carey. If he feels that he cannot forgive his former Best mate for what happened, then who are we to judge him for it.
And who are we to judge him for trying to repair his marriage, and make it work.

 

[Damp Squarie]

The End

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Babylove
Can I just say, and I am neither a Kangaroo or a Crow supporter that I think that you should back off on Anthony Stevens a bit. First of all I think you will find that the Kangaroo players did shake the hands of Crows players, but the cameras were solely focused on Wayne Carey.

And I watched the end of the match, and Anthony Stevens turned and walked off towards his rooms when he saw Wayne Carey head for where he was. Can you blame him. This is the guy, who Anthony considered his Best Mate, who had an affair with his wife.

This is also the first time that they have come face-to-face since it happened. Please, I am not insulting anyone. My Dad is an Adelaide Crows supporter, so I do have a soft spot for them. And I also like a few of your players, especially Mark Bickley, Ben Hart, Nigel Smart and Andrew McLeod. But you have to see where Anthony Stevens is coming from.

I think if it was a case of the other players not shaking the other Crows players hands then that is wrong and unexceptable. But for Anthony Stevens, this last week, and this game would have been even harder for him, facing Carey, than it would have been for Carey. It would bought back a lot of hurt, and betrayal that he has been trying to get past.

I mean put yourself in his position. You best friend, has an affair with your partner. How are you going to feel about it? And how are you going to feel when you next see that former best friend, whether it be the next year, or 12 months later?

Not to mention the fact that he is a very private person, and has had to deal with all of this in the public eye, through no fault of his own.

This is just my opinion, and I am not a supporter of either club. I just thought that it was worth pointing this out.

I never said I expected Stevens or Archer for that matter to shake hands with Carey. Hell I didn't expect many Roos players to shake hands with Carey but I did expect Roos players to shake hands with the rest of the Crows players. It a sign of sportsmanship and mutual respect for one another. The fact that it didn't happen is what got up my nose.

I think its no secret that a fair few Crows and Port players don't get along but after every showdown you can see them shaking hands.

As I said I didn't expect them to shake Carey's hand but I did expect them to shake hands with the rest of the players. I might be worng but its just me. I value sportsmanship greatly and unfortunately there didn't appear to be much of it on Friday.

If I was Anthony Stevens there is no way I would have forgiven Carey or Kelli for that matter. Child or no child.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

I think its no secret that a fair few Crows and Port players don't get along but after every showdown you can see them shaking hands.

As I said I didn't expect them to shake Carey's hand but I did expect them to shake hands with the rest of the players. I might be worng but its just me. I value sportsmanship greatly and unfortunately there didn't appear to be much of it on Friday.

If I was Anthony Stevens there is no way I would have forgiven Carey or Kelli for that matter. Child or no child.

I actually agree with Babylove in her comments that no-one

"can judge Anthony Stevens for how he reacted to Wayne Carey. If he feels that he cannot forgive his former Best mate for what happened, then who are we to judge him for it.
And who are we to judge him for trying to repair his marriage, and make it work."

Stevens would have been to hell and back with this one and it takes one hell of a bloke to forgive his wife under such circumstances, let alone such public ones.

Having said that, I was disappointed that the rest of the North players chose not to at least shake the hands of their immediate opponent. Carey and Colby shook hands with each other. I certainly wouldn't have expected any North player to have shaken Carey's hand as that may well look like they weren't supporting their skipper. But they had no axe to grind with their immediate opponent and IMO were the losers by not shaking hands.

Further to that, the childish reluctance to shake hands certainly put the lie to the Roos claims that the match was not a personal issue.

Definitely time for the Roos to move on. They have enough problems without letting the past consume them.

 

[moomba]

Originally posted by DaveW
Last year on On the Couch we were told that Carey met Stevens and Archer privately to clear the air. They even shook hands according to Carey! It's probably not such a big deal that Stevens didn't shake Carey's hands after the match, but Stevens' and Archer's behaviour in that second quarter was far from professional.

I am sorry to intrude on your board, and to harp on this but I can't believe the overreaction to probably 2 minutes of the game. Stevo gave away one free, and got one free. That's about the sum total of it.

If Arch goes for striking you will get a fair argument that he was being unprofessional, but I am not sure that he threw a full blooded punch. The haymaker fake wasn't necessary but I don't know how you could argue with actions that certainly lifted the crowd intensity, and lifted the players out of a flat spot. It was probably our best period of the game.

As for the shaking hands thing I think it is worth commenting that only two Crow players went out of their way to shake North players hands (I was very impressed with the two), and I don't think you can bring home the blame on the one club.

I am sure it was a fairly uncomfortable situation for both teams, and I suspect players (particularly North) wanted to get off the field as soon as possible. I wouldn't read anything sinister in the failure for Crows players and North players (Carey excepted) didn't shake hands on masse, Stevo, Ricciuto and Bickley certainly demonstrated the respect they had for each other.

Having said all that, congrats on the win. I wasn't hugely impressed by the way you played on Friday night, but very impressed by the quality of your list. I know there is a heap of improvement in the team, and when you start playing well there will not be too many teams capable of beating you. Best of luck for the rest of the season, and go easy on us round 21.

Moomba

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Babylove
Can I just say that this is the point that I have been trying to make. Most of us have not been in this situation so we cannot judge. And therefore I don't think anyone can judge Anthony Stevens for how he reacted to Wayne Carey. If he feels that he cannot forgive his former Best mate for what happened, then who are we to judge him for it.
And who are we to judge him for trying to repair his marriage, and make it work.

Agree with just about everything you say & i definitely don't begrudge Stevens or any of the Roos players for not shaking the hand of Wayne Carey after the game, my opinion on the matter of the affair has not changed from day one & i still shake my head at the betrayal by both Wayne & Kelli to Anthony & Sally but life goes on & we must as supporters separate what goes on in the private lives of our footballers to what they are at the club & how they perform on the ground,
Wayne wasn't the first & most definitely will not be the last man in the ranks of footballers to be caught out hanky pankying with a mates wife or girlfriend & Stevens & Carey should be left alone on all details of that affair to concentrate on what they do best & that is performing as AFL players for their clubs,

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by moomba
I am sorry to intrude on your board, and to harp on this but I can't believe the overreaction to probably 2 minutes of the game. Stevo gave away one free, and got one free. That's about the sum total of it.

If Arch goes for striking you will get a fair argument that he was being unprofessional, but I am not sure that he threw a full blooded punch. The haymaker fake wasn't necessary but I don't know how you could argue with actions that certainly lifted the crowd intensity, and lifted the players out of a flat spot. It was probably our best period of the game.

As for the shaking hands thing I think it is worth commenting that only two Crow players went out of their way to shake North players hands (I was very impressed with the two), and I don't think you can bring home the blame on the one club.

I am sure it was a fairly uncomfortable situation for both teams, and I suspect players (particularly North) wanted to get off the field as soon as possible. I wouldn't read anything sinister in the failure for Crows players and North players (Carey excepted) didn't shake hands on masse, Stevo, Ricciuto and Bickley certainly demonstrated the respect they had for each other.

Having said all that, congrats on the win. I wasn't hugely impressed by the way you played on Friday night, but very impressed by the quality of your list. I know there is a heap of improvement in the team, and when you start playing well there will not be too many teams capable of beating you. Best of luck for the rest of the season, and go easy on us round 21.

Moomba

thanks Moomba

Quality sentiments there.

I think though that shaking hands after a sporting contests is one of the imutable things in life

Stevens and ARcher I can understand, but not some of the others.

I think Colbert came out of it brilliantly.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Stevens is p1ss-weak. His performance as captain was hilarious and the Kangaroos were out-psyched by the Crows and lost a lot of credibility.

I think that is very unfair on Stevens

He is a quality player and person and the game must have been very hard for him.