Cummins Overrated?

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Just the leading wicket-taker for either side in an Ashes series. No big deal.

But but but but he coulda had 100 wickets if he'd just pitched it up

 

[Demosthenes]

Just the leading wicket-taker for either side in an Ashes series. No big deal.

Come on, let's be honest. If Starc plays in Melbourne, Cummins probably finishes a clear fourth on Australia's list.

Most people have missed the point of this thread. As I said in OP - I rate Cummins. He is a good bowler and deserves to be our third quick.

However, the way people jizz over him on this board would give you the impression he is the best fast bowler in the country. Starc cops five times as much stick despite being a vastly superior bowler in every facet.

 

[Tigerssaints]

He owes us a lot, My understanding whilst he was injured over 5 yrs, He was still on Full Contract payments, CA spent zillions on him
I suppose he got to .improve his batting

 

[frankrizzo]

Most surprising thing is that he had Been the only quick to stay fit for every test across the last couple of series.

 

[workhorse]

Come on, let's be honest. If Starc plays in Melbourne, Cummins probably finishes a clear fourth on Australia's list.

Most people have missed the point of this thread. As I said in OP - I rate Cummins. He is a good bowler and deserves to be our third quick.

However, the way people jizz over him on this board would give you the impression he is the best fast bowler in the country. Starc cops five times as much stick despite being a vastly superior bowler in every facet.

Really?

 

[Pykie]

Come on, let's be honest. If Starc plays in Melbourne, Cummins probably finishes a clear fourth on Australia's list.

Most people have missed the point of this thread. As I said in OP - I rate Cummins. He is a good bowler and deserves to be our third quick.

However, the way people jizz over him on this board would give you the impression he is the best fast bowler in the country. Starc cops five times as much stick despite being a vastly superior bowler in every facet.

Umm no.

You can see Cummins' body getting stronger and stronger by the game.

His speeds are getting back up into the mid 140's.

He bowled a back of a length for the series, copped some criticism for it, but he topped the wickets tally for the series, this without a lot of luck.

Starc bowls a lot of shit with some jaffers scattered in there, his bowling average of 28 is a reflection of this.

Post South Africa and next summer, I see Cummins sitting with a bowling average of around <24. He's just a lot tighter.

With his action, raw pace and short ball, he's definitely Australia's biggest threat in South Africa.

 

[demondavey]

Worst strike rate and average of all our bowlers so far this series. Has struggled to lead the attack this Test. At least he's been economical.

I mean, I rate him, but he doesn't get nearly as much stick as someone like Starc - which seems odd given their respective returns.

You're kidding right?

 

[Neese]

Player of the 5th test. Nice

 

[Gethelred]

Man of the match in Sydney.

 

[demondavey]

How can a guy that's taken the most wickets in the series, is as fit as a mallee bull, bowls long spells, maintains his pace in the 140 bracket, generates great bounce from flat wickets, and has so much upside as a test fast bowler be overrated?

I mean what do you want? Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram, Courtney Walsh or Dale Steyn to be reinvented again?

Seriously, Cummins is a gun.

 

[demondavey]

Best young bowler to emerge since Mitchell Johnson.

Agreed. 300+ test wickets I reckon.

 

[Pykie]

Agreed. 300+ test wickets I reckon.

That would be a massive effort given his injuries, also a big what could of been.

 

[footyfan1978]

Haters are gunna hate.
Well done young fella.

 

[demondavey]

I hear what you're saying, but this board seems to overrate bowlers who keep things tight and underrate bowlers who take wickets. People have had nothing but praise for him, but he has quite clearly been the worst of the quartet.

I mean, a bowler with as many tools as he has should really be doing better than a strike rate of 75. Maybe his lack of first class experience showing?

The worst of the quarter? You've got rocks in your head mate.

 

[Demosthenes]

With his action, raw pace and short ball, he's definitely Australia's biggest threat in South Africa.

So why does he have the worst strike rate of all our bowlers?

The reality is that I started a thread pointing out that this board treats the statistically weakest link in our bowling quartet like a superstar. Cue five pages of triggered posters, nicely proving my point.

Cummins is a fine bowler, but this board massively overrates economy and massively underrates wicket-taking ability.

 

[Demosthenes]

Really?

I suppose in fairness, he bowls a better cutter than Starc.

 

[Pykie]

So why does he have the worst strike rate of all our bowlers?

The reality is that I started a thread pointing out that this board treats the statistically weakest link in our bowling quartet like a superstar. Cue five pages of triggered posters, nicely proving my point.

Cummins is a fine bowler, but this board massively overrates economy and massively underrates wicket-taking ability.

He doesn't.

I think you need to re-look at his stats following this test.

He took 23 wkts at 24.65, S.R of 51.4, E.R 2.87

Haze had a SR of 54 in this series.

Starc a SR of 44.

Not bad stats considering a vast majority were considered roads, he's going to destroy it in South Africa, he nips the ball more than Hazlewood and Starc.

 

[Demosthenes]

He doesn't.

My bad, after this series he now strikes slightly quicker than Lyon.

He still has the worst strike rate of the quicks.

 

[Pykie]

My bad, after this series he now strikes slightly quicker than Lyon.

He still has the worst strike rate of the quicks.

I think you need to return to high school maths class.

Cummins new averages are:

Ave 25.00, SR 51.97

Vs Hazlewood:

Ave 25.60, SR 54.8


With half of Cummins sample size being in India......

 

[Neese]

OP still stinking it up in this thread

 

[Marklar_33]

He owes us a lot, My understanding whilst he was injured over 5 yrs, He was still on Full Contract payments, CA spent zillions on him
I suppose he got to .improve his batting

Guy gets hurt in his profession and his employer continues to pay him!?! Huge if true

 

[demondavey]

How's the piss on in the rooms post game? Mark Taylor needs a new suit!

 

[Topkent]

So why does he have the worst strike rate of all our bowlers?

The reality is that I started a thread pointing out that this board treats the statistically weakest link in our bowling quartet like a superstar. Cue five pages of triggered posters, nicely proving my point.

Cummins is a fine bowler, but this board massively overrates economy and massively underrates wicket-taking ability.

Mate just put your hand up and say gee I thought I was swimming out of the tide but I've actually just drowned.

What the hell is wrong with you that you cant acknowledge how staggering it is cummins is bowling this well after missing 5 years of cricket completely.

5 ****ing years. This is the worst he will howl for a decade and he's averaging 25. That's why people talk him up. If you think he's the finished product at his age and experience I suggest you learn some more about cricket

 

[Demosthenes]

I think you need to return to high school maths class.

Cummins new averages are:

Ave 25.00, SR 51.97

Vs Hazlewood:

Ave 25.60, SR 54.8


With half of Cummins sample size being in India......

Doing the maths? I'm not that much of an anorak... maybe Cricinfo haven't updated for this Test yet. If one match has pulled him below Haze, so be it. Doesn't really change the substance of what we're discussing.

The reality is that Cummins is a good talent who will probably become a very good bowler, but whose performances thus far have not deserved the constant and lavish tonguebaths he gets on this site. You only have to skim through match threads to see better bowlers with better performances getting far more flak and far less praise.

I very much hope that Cummins takes 8 wickets a match for the rest of his career. It won't change what has gone before, however.

 

[Demosthenes]

If you think he's the finished product at his age and experience I suggest you learn some more about cricket

There are many beautiful straw men in this thread, but this is by far my favourite.