Cummins Overrated?

[PhatBoy]

Cummins can definitely bowl. No argument from me. But it seems that a lot of the arguments in his favour as a bowler revolve around what he’s done on flat pitches like the ones in this series. And that’s fair enough.


So it seems just a fraction hyperbolic that people are talking about him potentially making centuries with the bat.

Seriously, come on. A good, upright batsman with a straight up and down technique should be making a few decent scores like he did on the decks from this summer.

 

[Gethelred]

If he's a gun he would have bowled a fuller length.. right?

Smart bowlers make their own plan.

Not if they take wickets.

This hasn't gone terribly well for you, has it?

First, he's overrated and a terrible bowler because he doesn't take wickets, then he's overrated and a terrible bowler because he doesn't bowl a full length, despite taking wickets.

At least you're consistent.

 

[Sea fog]

India doing okay here.

 

[Bradesmaen]

This hasn't gone terribly well for you, has it?

First, he's overrated and a terrible bowler because he doesn't take wickets, then he's overrated and a terrible bowler because he doesn't bowl a full length, despite taking wickets.

At least you're consistent.

One game makes a summer? Well then. We only need to win one game from now on. Good call.

 

[Gethelred]

... So it seems just a fraction hyperbolic that people are talking about him potentially making centuries with the bat.

Seriously, come on. A good, upright batsman with a straight up and down technique should be making a few decent scores like he did on the decks from this summer.

It isn't just the technique, it's the temperament and the fact that, unlike most tail enders he has more than just the bash the ball around setting.

I mean, Mitch Johnson had just one setting, and it either came off or not, and he has a test century to his name. You're probably right that it's a exaggerating his potential with the bat, but it isn't completely out of reality.

 

[Gethelred]

One game makes a summer? Well then. We only need to win one game from now on. Good call.

Except it wasn't one game now, was it?

23 wickets mate, across 5 games. Leading wicket taker, across both sides.

We having fun yet?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Except it wasn't one game now, was it?

23 wickets mate, across 5 games. Leading wicket taker, across both sides.

We having fun yet?

15 in 4, 8 in 1, pretty obvious.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Look at him squirming


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[Gethelred]

15 in 4, 8 in 1, pretty obvious.

I've got some more straws for you to clutch at, you're running a little short.

 

[Bradesmaen]

I've got some more straws for you to clutch at, you're running a little short.

Pretty sure they just completely proved my point but you keep trying to attack me while I chew on this deliciousness

 

[Gethelred]

Pretty sure they just completely proved my point but you keep trying to attack me while I chew on this deliciousness

What does that even mean?

I'm not entirely unconvinced you're not a bot of some form, created by twelve year olds, as a school project.

 

[The Passenger]

 

[Kram]

There is almost more idiocy on this board than the bay.

 

[BarneyBent]

15 in 4, 8 in 1, pretty obvious.

15 in 4 is a good return on its own, just a tick under 4 per match. To use that to try to argue he underperformed is plain dumb.

 

[Bradesmaen]

15 in 4 is a good return on its own, just a tick under 4 per match. To use that to try to argue he underperformed is plain dumb.

It's not great is it though? We're talking about a fastbowler who constantly gets talked up as one of the all time greats yet he's done nothing in his career to prove that he'll be anything more than a Peter Siddle with more pace.

 

[Pykie]

It's not great is it though? We're talking about a fastbowler who constantly gets talked up as one of the all time greats yet he's done nothing in his career to prove that he'll be anything more than a Peter Siddle with more pace.

Except Peter Siddle never had that pace, oh and Peter Siddle isn't 6"5.

I guess they are both right armers, apart from all that, they are identical, except for their bowling records I guess....

Still took over 200 test wickets bowling first change though.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Except Peter Siddle never had that pace, oh and Peter Siddle isn't 6"5.

I guess they are both right armers, apart from all that, they are identical, except for their bowling records I guess....

Still took over 200 test wickets bowling first change though.

Way to take it so literal. If you want to take something literal, how about jump in a lake?

 

[bungwahl]

It's not great is it though? We're talking about a fastbowler who constantly gets talked up as one of the all time greats yet he's done nothing in his career to prove that he'll be anything more than a Peter Siddle with more pace.

Cummins just played his 10th Test. Haven't heard anyone refer to him as an all time great.

Change your bait.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Cummins just played his 10th Test. Haven't heard anyone refer to him as an all time great.

Change your bait.

Haven't heard the C9 commentary team then much have you, or the articles written by ridiculous journalists.

 

[BarneyBent]

It's not great is it though? We're talking about a fastbowler who constantly gets talked up as one of the all time greats yet he's done nothing in his career to prove that he'll be anything more than a Peter Siddle with more pace.

All time greats? Wtf? Nobody is saying he’s currently an all-time great. He’s good, he’s promising, he could be an absolute star. A 24 year old with as little cricket under his belt as Cummins performing very well for 4 tests and then superbly in the 5th is unusual and cause to get very excited.

You claimed Cummins was underperforming. When it was made abundantly clear that is not the case, rather than admit you were wrong, you changed the argument to “Cummins is not an all-time great”. Definition of a straw-man.

Finally, “Siddle with more pace” is a pretty strange example to use given that had Siddle bowled at Cummins’ pace he would have been a star. It was when it became clear Siddle would struggle to bowl above 130 on a consistent basis that he was dropped.

 

[Pykie]

All time greats? Wtf? Nobody is saying he’s currently an all-time great. He’s good, he’s promising, he could be an absolute star. A 24 year old with as little cricket under his belt as Cummins performing very well for 4 tests and then superbly in the 5th is unusual and cause to get very excited.

You claimed Cummins was underperforming. When it was made abundantly clear that is not the case, rather than admit you were wrong, you changed the argument to “Cummins is not an all-time great”. Definition of a straw-man.

Finally, “Siddle with more pace” is a pretty strange example to use given that had Siddle bowled at Cummins’ pace he would have been a star. It was when it became clear Siddle would struggle to bowl above 130 on a consistent basis that he was dropped.

"Underperforming" - 25 with the ball, 27 with the bat.

 

[footyfan1978]

Two drownings. If only they put their hand in the air for help, this all could have been avoided.
Some people just cannot be helped.

 

[SherbertLemon]

Hey how's it going guys?

Patrick Cummins looks pretty good.

Reckon he's shaping up to be an all-time great.

 

[Kram]

He already is an all time great!

 

[Gethelred]

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