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[Mego Red]

Like I said the wording is ambiguous, and anyway they could tweak the rule if they wanted to. It WILL change next year, why not now?

Nah, instead we will go through this whole charade of a 'deal to not match'.

Thing is - that's happened. Side deals so that two Brisbane players could get to GCS (approved), deals around non contracted free agency, etc.

Admittedly, they changed Ablett compo, but that was one off. Free agency has no finish.

 

[ManInTheArena]

And his recent words about football no longer being his No. 1 priority wouldn't excite me too much either. He stepped up after Walsh's death as did most of our list. I wouldn't be banking on a return to that form he showed in the second half of 2015. We may have seen his best.

That's wishful thinking. He's been building year on year and this year in just a progression on that. He could be the best player in the competition next year or the year after. We haven't seen his best unless he gets injured.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

That's wishful thinking. He's been building year on year and this year in just a progression on that. He could be the best player in the competition next year or the year after. We haven't seen his best unless he gets injured.

If Geelong can teach him how to kick, then he'll be the best player in the comp for the next five years (bar Fyfe).

 

[marty36]

a secondary deal becomes about a thousand times easier when players involved. you can estimate point values of draft picks but who are you to say what one club thinks about a player.

Dmac & a second round pick is absolutely worth pick 9. senior player, big contract, 150 games, if anything we're getting ripped off. maybe they should add Murdoch

Im confused on why Adelaide would entertain taking the compo and trading something that is almost equal effectively giving ourselves the compo alone. The deal is if we match or I dont think it will even get to that. We trade PD for two first rounders or maybe one with a player of worth a first rounder.

The second deal will not be weighted in the crows favor to any degree. One reason it cant be, Ken Wood has written to all AFL clubs talking about compo deals being in isolation and if he sees any funny business going on it will not happen and do you want to bring the club back into that scenario. And Im not taking the scenario you have posted that falls in the category of may aswell take the compo!

I dont know about other crows supporters but I would ask the AFC not to entertain anything and I mean anything that will get us in the shit again with drafting.

 

[marty36]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned as yet, but is there a possibility that Adelaide and Geelong come to an agreement where Adelaide allows danger to leave, accepts the compensation pick meaning there is one more first rounder in the mix and then Geelong and Adelaide do a trade in such a way where Geelong sends their first round draft pick to Adelaide and possibly a player or another draft pick from this year or next?

Obviously this doesn't sound legal and it would be a big FU to the AFL, but it would be in both clubs best interest for this to happen. Geelong would see this as a massive win, only giving up 1 first round pick instead of 2. Adelaide will see it as a win getting their 2 first round draft picks and to even up the kitty, a player might be thrown in or maybe Geelong's second round draft pick from next year???

I'm sure this wouldn't be allowed, but if it was a loophole, there may be a possibility of both clubs coming to a handshake agreement before trade week.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-warns-clubs-on-shady-deals-20150916-gjoao5.html

Ken has made it very very clear

"Wood also wrote that free agency exchanges needed to be in isolation and could not be tied to any other trade between clubs."

Secondary deals that weigh in a teams favor, I dont think Kenny is that stupid to say oh well thats between them isnt it!

 

[Kenneth Tron]

Anyone else find Smithtastic33 reminds them of a certain recently-departed poster?

+1 - joins and cranks out a lazy 250 posts in a couple of weeks - normal

 

[Linekers Ears]

I'd suggest we want the equivalent of two first rounders, like pick 9 and Cockatoo, not pick 9 and Murdoch.

Here's where The Great David Mackay comes to the rescue. 9 and Murdoch for 29 and Macca.

The Geelong PD thread is tremendous fun. They have buyers remorse already and they haven't got him home and under the tree let alone unwrapped - 800k is too much for a true Geelong supporter; wouldn't want PD if it means losing game breakers like Murdoch or Gregson; he should play for less because a Frank Costa side deal will get him another 400k; we can't give away 9 because then we wont get Bennell...

In other words, they are just the same as us.

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[Allefgib]

I live in Adelaide, so yes I am fully aware of what he has said in the media over the duration of his career. If Geelong had performed better than Adelaide this year, his fune wouldn't have changed. Perhaps going home is a more palatable reason for leaving than telling his team mates that he thinks they're not good enough.

SC - speculating on things we have no idea on that could be construed as trolling won't be appreciated here. Recommend staying away from that line of conversation.

Crows posters saying he is untrustworthy and goes back on his word.. look, its your (our) board so you're entitled to speculate as much as you like. However, I think it's grossly unfair. When Paddy made his original comment I get the sense it was about him thinking about his footy. The more recent decision certainly sounds like a more 'partnership' decision between he and Mardi. Life changes, situations change. Perhaps they are struggling to get pregnant and she really needs family support. Trying to hold Paddy to comments he made about wanting success are pointless and unfair. He's decided to go home. That's very very clear. Take it at face value and worry about what we are going to get for him would be my suggestion. That's the only thing I'm going to be shitty with Patty over.. if he doesn't help to ensure we are not screwed.

 

[Jazzregis]

I have read the entire other thread so I have gone through my hazing

Well then there is something wrong with you other than being a port supporter

 

[marty36]

Here's where The Great David Mackay comes to the rescue. 9 and Murdoch for 29 and Macca.

The Geelong PD thread is tremendous fun. They have buyers remorse already and they have got him home and under the tree let alone unwrapped - 800k is too much for a true Geelong supporter; wouldn't want PD if it means losing game breakers like Murdoch or Gregson; he should play for less because a Frank Costa side deal will get him another 400k; we can't give away 9 because the we wont get Bennell...

In other words, they are just the same as us.

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Do you mean

we get compo pick 14

Mackay = pick 9
Pick 29 = Murdoch

So effectively two first rounders and Murdoch we lose Mckay and pick 29

Its Ok but cant see Kenny agreeing to Pick 9 for Mackay, Murdoch seems equal

 

[Paladin]

Do you mean

we get compo pick 14

Mackay = pick 9
Pick 29 = Murdoch

So effectively two first rounders and Murdoch we lose Mckay and pick 29

Its Ok but cant see Kenny agreeing to Pick 9 for Mackay, Murdoch seems equal

Wood let 21 for Stanley go through.

Can't see him having a problem with 9 for a 150 gamer, well paid, silky skilled dmac.

 

[Allefgib]

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[marty36]

Wood let 21 for Stanley go through.

Can't see him having a problem with 9 for a 150 gamer, well paid, silky skilled dmac.

Would love to think so, but somehow cant see Mackay getting through, the other stumbling block is Geelong would spit the chewy having to pay him $400K per year for playing VFL

 

[baldandbroke]

Well the real twist in the story would be if the AFL determined that we got say a first round pick after our pick AND one at the end of the first round at what 20?

That would be a simple decision - we take the compo and do the deal for Mackay with some pick manoeuvring.

RFA
ADELAIDE - Pick 14 + 20
GEELONG - Danger

then ...

Trade
ADELAIDE - Pick 9 + Player (Gregson/Murdoch)
GEELONG - Mackay + Pick 20

So at the end of it ...

Adelaide - Picks 9, 13, 14, 31, 49 + Player (Gregson/Murdoch)
Geelong - Picks 20, 27, 45, 62 + Dangerfield + Mackay

Surely that works from all points of view?

 

[Paladin]

Would love to think so, but somehow cant see Mackay getting through, the other stumbling block is Geelong would spit the chewy having to pay him $400K per year for playing VFL

Yeah agreed but Geelong thought they could turn Sam Blease around so they could have hope for Mackay. Also a possibility he is front loaded.

Ultimately a compo and side trade is unlikely but worth pursuing because the afl are coming up with a first rounder.

 

[dude316]

Well the real twist in the story would be if the AFL determined that we got say a first round pick after our pick AND one at the end of the first round at what 20?

That would be a simple decision - we take the compo and do the deal for Mackay with some pick manoeuvring.

RFA
ADELAIDE - Pick 14 + 20
GEELONG - Danger

then ...

Trade
ADELAIDE - Pick 9 + Player (Gregson)
GEELONG - Mackay + Pick 20

So at the end of it ...

Adelaide - Picks 9, 13, 14, 31, 49 + Player (Gregson)
Geelong - Picks 20, 27, 45, 62 + Dangerfield + Mackay

Surely that works from all points of view?

Except Hawthorns. How would the AFL justify giving us two compensation picks for Danger when they only got one for Franklin?

 

[baldandbroke]

Except Hawthorns. How would the AFL justify giving us two compensation picks for Danger when they only got one for Franklin?

Danger won our Best and Fairest? We didn't win the premiership? To maintain the integrity of Free Agency? I dunno - they can make up any excuse they like !!!

 

[arsene wenger1]

Well the real twist in the story would be if the AFL determined that we got say a first round pick after our pick AND one at the end of the first round at what 20?

That would be a simple decision - we take the compo and do the deal for Mackay with some pick manoeuvring.

RFA
ADELAIDE - Pick 14 + 20
GEELONG - Danger

then ...

Trade
ADELAIDE - Pick 9 + Player (Gregson)
GEELONG - Mackay + Pick 20

So at the end of it ...

Adelaide - Picks 9, 13, 14, 31, 49 + Player (Gregson)
Geelong - Picks 20, 27, 45, 62 + Dangerfield + Mackay

Surely that works from all points of view?

Still can't help but feel if danger was playing for a vic club, that club would receive a top 4 pick for him......I'm still not satisfied with anything above pick 5. Pick 9 and Murdoch is crap tbh

 

[marty36]

Danger won our Best and Fairest? We didn't win the premiership? To maintain the integrity of Free Agency? I dunno - they can make up any excuse they like !!!

Clutching at straws like the Geelong Board to that theory, Buddy got one unfortunately a precedent has been set. Think of all the FA's and RFA's that have moved has anyone been given two picks, Ablett was a new franchise BS not a FA.

 

[jenny61_99]

Still can't help but feel if danger was playing for a vic club, that club would receive a top 4 pick for him......I'm still not satisfied with anything above pick 5. Pick 9 and Murdoch is crap tbh

Set yourself for disappointment then because that (top 5 pick) just isn't happening.

 

[MattyB_76]

Clutching at straws like the Geelong Board to that theory, Buddy got one unfortunately a precedent has been set. Think of all the FA's and RFA's that have moved has anyone been given two picks, Ablett was a new franchise BS not a FA.

Also consider that there are discussions to remove compensation picks entirely from FA and RFA, I can't see the AFL increasing the number of picks for PD, and then removing them a few years later.

Let's be realists, AFC aren't gonna get any special treatment from the AFL (why would they start now). We will get 1 pick, Band 1. Pick #14 or thereabouts.

 

[baldandbroke]

Clutching at straws like the Geelong Board to that theory, Buddy got one unfortunately a precedent has been set. Think of all the FA's and RFA's that have moved has anyone been given two picks, Ablett was a new franchise BS not a FA.

I'm of the opinion that the only way we will do a deal like that is if the AFL pull a bit of a swifty. I don't think it is likely.

I said "IF".

My guess is that we match and trade - because the AFL are probably a bit scared of bending too far - especially with West Coast threatening to match too.

In a match and trade scenario using the players I used above:

RFA
ADELAIDE - n/a
GEELONG - n/a

after matching ...

Trade
ADELAIDE - Pick 9 + Player (Gregson/Murdoch)
GEELONG - Dangerfield + Mackay

So at the end of it ...

Adelaide - Picks 9, 13, 31, 49 + Player (Gregson/Murdoch)
Geelong - Picks 27, 45, 62 + Dangerfield + Mackay

I've included Mackay because Geelong need players, they have some big numbers to fill in their list and cannot afford to give away picks and players without replacing them.

 

[rezagun]

this bloke needs to be in the equation

 

[hippyhippy]

I think we could get used to lovin the ****! .. or two.

 

[mattymac]

That's wishful thinking. He's been building year on year and this year in just a progression on that. He could be the best player in the competition next year or the year after. We haven't seen his best unless he gets injured.

We'll see I guess. I don't know about building year on year. The second half of this year after Walsh's death he played like a man possessed probably the best I remember him since 2012