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[dazbroncos]

So, what made us say yes to the deal?

Why did we help Geelong out last year?

Id suggest it was the move up from late 40's to the 30's. Clearly the move back 4 spots did not bother your list management and drafting team as they got who they wanted - and a great pick to. Lever is, and will continue to be very very good.

Im not 100% on who you took later but they must have felt it was worthwhile.

Go Catters

 

[feenix67]

Neither is he a Free Agent if he gets to his club of choice. Which scenario do you think that the AFL would prefer to see eventuate?

Do you think James Aish will get to Collingwood? Once we match, its the same scenario.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You can never be certain but its more than likely he would get to Geelong via the draft .Clubs just don't like to have mature aged players on their list who are on $800,000 a year and don't want to be there .A club would also have to waist a top 8 draft pick on him , a top 8 draft pick can get a club a seriously good young player .Stephen Wells made a good point that recent history suggest when a player goes into the draft that they get to the club of their choice.

Its in both clubs interest to get a deal done , but the reality is that he would most likely get too Geelong via the draft .

Unfortunately for Geelong and Dangerfield, you just do not pass up a top 5 player in the league. He would also go to the PSD not the national draft. In the national draft he can not dictate terms of a contract nor discourage clubs from taking him, its really strict. The PSD is the one that players can put contract terms to because they are established players.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Do you think James Aish will get to Collingwood? Once we match, its the same scenario.

No, I don't. I think he is hoping Brisbane will accept two second rounders for him. He is one that I think could end up coming to us still. The longer trade week goes on and Brisbane keep shutting Collingwood out because of insufficient trade bait we may be able to offer one of our Dangerfield picks to get him. However he may simply have to go to the PSD. He will end up at Collingwood though.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Really? What history suggests that? Can you give me a few examples of other trade's with Geelong that were one-sided in their favour? I reckon Geelong are a bit like AFC in that all it's fans wish they had some bastard in them in draft table - but in reality they both work stuff out pretty well.

I said that history would suggest that they know what they're doing. I didn't say that they've destroyed all comers at the trade table. As you guys have pointed out on here many times, we've had 12 months to prepare for this. It's not the same situation as Al Christensen leaving oit of the blue and us not wanting to be complete bastards about it by not accepting pick #21 when he's nominated Brisbane and that's all they have to trade with.

 

[baldandbroke]

So surely dangers is the first offer up.

Free agency opens Friday
Dangerfield and Leuenberger the big fish, but Selwood offer could be first
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...ield-leuenberger-and-selwood-in-the-spotlight

 

[Strangled Cat]

Yep - this is where the two clubs need to work it out.

What about:

Adelaide: Cockatoo and Gregson
Geelong: Dangerfield and pick 13

The issue for Adelaide will be that they need ready to go players, the draft is not our preferred option this year ... the issue for Geelong is they cannot give up young players AND have no picks from the next two years for trading purposes. Geelong are trying to get mid 20's experienced players and not pay for them - I get that - but they may have to settle for getting the players they want and paying unders for them.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. While I have been extremely impressed with Gregson's debut year, I don't beleive that his overall ceiling is as high as Cockatoo's is.

But I don't think anyone else on here seriously would be happy with thay trade, though. Do you?

 

[Dangerousfield]

I'm getting worried now that despite our posturing we're going to just accept pick 14 in a weak draft. Would this happen at Collingwood?

If we did it would be typical of what this club dishes up with monotimous regularity.

There are other factors here too. Geelong is a direct competitior for a spot in the 8. If we just take the compo pick, they get Danger for FREE, and still have all their other picks to further strengthen their list, like bringing in Henderson, Selwood and Zac Smith. We need to make them trade so they get Danger but don't add a heap of other best 22 as well.

I'd rather get nothing (pick 14 will probably only be a handy player anyway)than allow Geelong to build a new flag contender in one trade period. Grows some balls Adelaide, show we won't be pushed around any more like we were with Gunston, Tippett, Matt Rendell etc. I will SPEW if we don't match.

 

[woopedazz]

I'm sitting here trying to imagine what it would be like for an established player at another club nominating Adelaide as a FA/RFA. Then saying that he wanted to be paid unders - $400k a year unders.

I mean what the ****. They could be a back pocket in a bottom 8 side for all I care.

 

[baldandbroke]

I said that history would suggest that they know what they're doing. I didn't say that they've destroyed all comers at the trade table. As you guys have pointed out on here many times, we've had 12 months to prepare for this. It's not the same situation as Al Christensen leaving oit of the blue and us not wanting to be complete bastards about it by not accepting pick #21 when he's nominated Brisbane and that's all they have to trade with.

Yeah but you also led that suggestion to "the result will be something less than desirable from your perspective." I was questioning the link. Surely you don't believe that in a trade like this it is the "talent" of your recruiting team that wins out?

 

[MRB37]

http://bit.ly/1Gz0ujB

And again, Cats fans should celebrate wildly in the streets when list guru Stephen Wells pulls off the move to bring home the blistering on-baller, giving captain Joel Selwood a much needed centre square co-pilot.

But here’s the catch. Even if it has to be a trade for two of Geelong’s early draft picks, rather than acquiring him for nothing under free agency rules, it is still a massive coup for the Cats.

There is a game of chicken going on between the Crows and Cats, and privately, Adelaide is saying it will absolutely match Geelong’s bid for Dangerfield, because the compensation pick it would receive (No. 14) is unacceptably low.

And that’s fair enough.

Restricted free agency was implemented to protect clubs, like Adelaide, in exactly this type of situation.

Yes “Danger” could go into the national draft, leaving Adelaide with nothing, but even Wells himself has said he doesn’t want it to get to that. It’s not his style. Nor is it Geelong’s.

What looms here is a compromise at the trade table and a win-win for both parties.

But Geelong should not worry about giving up a first-round draft pick (No. 9) in the most shallow draft in a decade or more, plus a second-round pick next year or emerging player. The worst case scenario is still a golden one for Geelong.

There are no guarantees in this year’s draft, with many recruiters shaking their heads, rather than licking their lips at the 2015 talent pool. Perhaps pick No. 9 in this year’s draft is equivalent to pick No. 20 in previous years. Definitely, they were more fruitful ones.

If the same trade happened a year ago (when Dangerfield wasn’t a free agent) we’d still all be saying the price is right for Geelong. In practical terms, two picks is still less than what the Brisbane Lions gave up for Dayne Beams. Less than Carlton gave up for Chris Judd. And perhaps even less than Western Bulldogs gave up (No. 6 and Ryan Griffen) for Tom Boyd.

So when Dangerfield is the No. 3 player in the comp this year, according to our own chief footy writer Mark Robinson, the opportunity for Geelong at hand, even with a trade, is still once-in-a-lifetime. Or should we say, once in a decade.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

I'd rather get nothing (pick 14 will probably only be a handy player anyway)than allow Geelong to build a new flag contender in one trade period. Grows some balls Adelaide, show we won't be pushed around any more like we were with Gunston, Tippett, Matt Rendell etc. I will SPEW if we don't match.

We will match. The talk in the last 24 hours that we might not match is all based on Fagan's "we'll see" off-the-cuff remark. The Advertiser of course jumped on that has some sort of matching hesitation.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Not in my opinion, no. It depends how you wish to view these things. I am of the belief that Cockatoo will be a star in two-to-three years' time. Danger has about five good years left. You guys have said it before on here, Danger relies on his ability to win a ball in a contest and then use his explosive power and speed to burst through said contests. Once Danger loses his pace, he will lose a huge part of what makes him a great player.

Unlike Hodge, Mitchell and some of Hawthorn's other older guns, players like Judd, Danger et al start to become exposed when they lose their speed/athleticism. Danger isn't as smart a footballer as Hodge or Mitchell and I doubt he'd be able to model his game on theirs when he loses a yard. They're all gun players, but some players' time is more finite than others due the the crash and bash nature of the way they play.

I have said it before and I'll say it again, Danger isn't worth selling the farm for. No player is. In terms of a fair trade, two first round draft picks in fair. Hell, even "steak knives" being thrown in to the bargain still makes it fair. But, whilst speculative picks and a fringe player equates to Danger's value, a speculative first round pick and a player that you suspect will be a gun, has potentially 15 years of footy left in him and is looking to be the most talented player drafted to the club in nearly a decade is not, in my opinion.

Dangerfield will be a better forward than all those other players you mentioned though in his later years

 

[baldandbroke]

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. While I have been extremely impressed with Gregson's debut year, I don't beleive that his overall ceiling is as high as Cockatoo's is.

But I don't think anyone else on here seriously would be happy with thay trade, though. Do you?

Nah - but I'm not worrying too much about what everyone thinks until the end of the trade-period.

I see Gregson as a very very talented 19 year old, better than trying your luck in the draft at anything outside of the top 5.

Cockatoo was my pick last year, because I didn't think Lever would be around ... so getting those two after 12 months in the system is worth a lot in my book.

 

[vinum coupe]

I'm getting worried now that despite our posturing we're going to just accept pick 14 in a weak draft. Would this happen at Collingwood?

If we did it would be typical of what this club dishes up with monotimous regularity.

There are other factors here too. Geelong is a direct competitior for a spot in the 8. If we just take the compo pick, they get Danger for FREE, and still have all their other picks to further strengthen their list, like bringing in Henderson, Selwood and Zac Smith. We need to make them trade so they get Danger but don't add a heap of other best 22 as well.

I'd rather get nothing (pick 14 will probably only be a handy player anyway)than allow Geelong to build a new flag contender in one trade period. Grows some balls Adelaide, show we won't be pushed around any more like we were with Gunston, Tippett, Matt Rendell etc. I will SPEW if we don't match.

Perfect post.
This is the key, ideally you dont want to give direct competitors a free leg up.

And imagine the other shoe on the foot ( something that will not happen)
But for the point of not giving someone a leg up.

Let's say Geelong have 2.8mil over 2 years set aside.
But lodge an offer of 600k per year.

Adelaide match.
Danger then goes to the psd. Adelaide get nothing (therefor we've weakened you a little)
And then danger puts 2.8 on his head.

Straight to the cats for free.

Again, won't happen as we'd be seen as complete pricks.
But I don't see why either set of supporters expects a free leg up.

 

[TGFC]

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. While I have been extremely impressed with Gregson's debut year, I don't beleive that his overall ceiling is as high as Cockatoo's is.

But I don't think anyone else on here seriously would be happy with thay trade, though. Do you?

No i dont think many on this side would, it is saying we compare danger to ****, and then pick 13 for gregson. I think it would be closer to danger for **** and gregson. not saying that will happen, just saying it would be closer to value

 

[baldandbroke]

<snip>
Let's say Geelong have 2.8mil over 2 years set aside.
But lodge an offer of 600k per year.

Adelaide match.
Danger then goes to the psd. Adelaide get nothing (therefor we've weakened you a little)
And then danger puts 2.8 on his head.

Straight to the cats for free.

Again, won't happen as we'd be seen as complete pricks.
But I don't see why either set of supporters expects a free leg up.

Trade should happen as it is in the middle of all the options. No one gets screwed, no-one gets rolled gold.

 

[vinum coupe]

Trade should happen as it is in the middle of all the options. No one gets screwed, no-one gets rolled gold.

Correct.
We want him for free.
You want 2 first rounders and a player.

It all comes down to the offer.
If you match then you'd expect the trade to be in between what both clubs want.

 

[Elite Crow]

Correct.
We want him for free.
You want 2 first rounders and a player.

It all comes down to the offer.
If you match then you'd expect the trade to be in between what both clubs want.

Actually we want 4 first rounders so 2 first rounders are in between. Done deal

 

[jenny61_99]

And maybe the AFL will seek to ensure that a Free Agent gets to his club of choice with very few encumbrances. No club will touch him for a first rounder if he goes to the ND. And Adelaide get nothing. But that'd be winning, right?

RESTRICTED.

 

[Allefgib]

Closing whilst I clean up the BS offtopic discussion on posting 'sign offs'.

 

[Allefgib]

Righto we're back on. Keep on topic and if you want to discuss things that upset you, bring it to a mod via PM for mediation.

 

[Allefgib]

RESTRICTED.

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One of your best posts ever Jen (not seen your work on the asada boards )

 

[Alex99]

1) Pick 9 and Cockatoo for Dangerfield

2) Geelong trade 2016 first round pick and pick 9 for Dangerfield

 

[FantasticShirt]

Yep - this is where the two clubs need to work it out.

What about:

Adelaide: Cockatoo and Gregson
Geelong: Dangerfield and pick 13

The issue for Adelaide will be that they need ready to go players, the draft is not our preferred option this year ... the issue for Geelong is they cannot give up young players AND have no picks from the next two years for trading purposes. Geelong are trying to get mid 20's experienced players and not pay for them - I get that - but they may have to settle for getting the players they want and paying unders for them.

That's a ****en terrible deal. Dangerfield is much much better than Cockatoo and Gregson isn't close to being worth pick 13.