Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Satan]

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but the bike tboned the car according to dan

 

[Freomaniac]

Dan the man should be in the slammer! Worst Victorian premier of all time!

Even worse than Jeff "I worship Hawthorn hawks" Kennet?

 

[JackFlash]

Even worse than Jeff "I worship Hawthorn hawks" Kennet?

Yes, even worse than Jeff...Andrews is a disgrace to Victoria.

 

[Sttew]

Even worse than Jeff "I worship Hawthorn hawks" Kennet?

People on the left side of politics will say Dan was better than Jeff, and vice versa. For me there was no comparison. Jeff inherited a mess and tried to fix it, getting himself voted out after two terms. He took his just desserts and moved on. He's now an old and largely irrelevant man.

Jeff also had a sense of humour. I recall in about 1995 or 1996 a group of us were on one of those charity walks around Albert Park Lake, and at the end of the walk Jeff sidled up to us for a chat and laugh. We were nobodies. He was just enjoying himself and mingling with the throngs. My point is you would never ever have seen Dan mix with the public like that. Everything was scripted for him and he simply would not put himself in a situation where he did not have absolute control.

The financial mess Dan has created and the absolute deterioration in transparency under his government far outweigh anything Jeff's government did. And you need to remember Kennett inherited what at the time was a shocking mess left behind by another Labor government, whereas Dan inherited a state in good financial state. Dan may have had the best intentions with his Big Build initiatives, but because everything was rushed with no due diligence, and because of the "CFMEU factor" for which I blame Labor 100%, good initiatives have become costly time bombs.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

clean up on aisle 4

Behave yourselves.

 

[peetoo]

Jeff didn’t get long enough to stuff up badly… and he left the stat e and his party in good nick


Oh wait. 2 outta 3 ain’t bad

 

[kalex6251]

born and raised in a regional area that was absolutely ripped apart and destroyed by kennett ... spare me the glowing history revision of that a$$hole

 

[Chief]

born and raised in a regional area that was absolutely ripped apart and destroyed by kennett ... spare me the glowing history revision of that a$$hole

Kennett's strategy seemed to be austerity, cut funding (particularly if you were, say, in the arts and criticised his government), sack everyone, sell everything.

 

[The Punter]

Kennett's strategy seemed to be austerity, cut funding (particularly if you were, say, in the arts and criticised his government), sack everyone, sell everything.

There were literally public servants in 1992 who didn't do anything. Under Cain departments just made bids for money and they got approved. The State Bank of Victoria was sold by Kirner, who allowed poker machines and began the casino process (because they had no money).

 

[MarcMaverick]

Kennett's strategy seemed to be austerity, cut funding (particularly if you were, say, in the arts and criticised his government), sack everyone, sell everything.

Kennett had no choice but to sell everything. Kirner and Cain were buying things with money that wasn't their own and that they didn't have.

 

[Gralin]

Kennett having no choice is such a lie

it was a massive wealth transfer to his private sector mates

its not like Labor don't also do that

but we've had decades of public assets sold off to private interests and the states are getting poorer and life is getting worse for everyone

and they keep selling and leasing more stuff off

its a massive rort

 

[The Punter]

Even by his standards, this is up there in the overblown hyperbole scale.

 

[Chief]

There were literally public servants in 1992 who didn't do anything.

And there were many who did. Teachers, for instance.

Under Cain departments just made bids for money and they got approved.

Honestly I don't know much about the Cain government. I was talking about Kennett.

"At this time unions and other left-wing organisations coined the term "Jeffed" as a euphemism for words connotating deception and abuse. The term refers to Jeffrey Kennett. It was a very common phrase on placards and other public slogans in rallies at the time."

Badge - I've Been Jeffed, Australian Nurses Federation, Victorian Branch, Victoria, Australia, 1992

Alternative Name(s): Button Badge issued by the Australian Nurses Federation, Victorian Branch, 1992 Upon election of the state Liberal Government on 3rd October 1992, union and other left-wing bodies organised protests, rallies, and fairs, including a "Fair Go Jeff Affair" at the Treasury...

collections.museumsvictoria.com.au

The State Bank of Victoria was sold by Kirner, who allowed poker machines and began the casino process (because they had no money).

These are facts, yes.

If I do a little Wikipedia reading (this was all 25+ years ago), I see Kirner also introduced the first endangered species protection legislation.

Kennett closed tech schools and sacked 7,000 teachers. Skills shortages ensued. Skilled migration followed.

So, really, if people are having a spit about migration into Victoria in the 10's and beyond (and whatever social, infrastructure, and housing issues they think arose from that)...

 

[Sttew]

You cannot ignore the legacy of Cain and Kirner governments when assessing Kennett.

From 1990:

"THE resignation of John Cain as Premier could well be the final, crowning disaster for Victoria. That's because the State has as serious a financial crisis as any government in Australia's history and, to fix it, it will have to sell assets, lay off employees to cut costs and increase charges.

If Joan Kirner becomes Premier - as seemed certain last night - then for the next two years all those things won't happen, only the last of them. She will resist privatisation and, because of her union links, will not cut costs through staff reductions.

The burden of the State's problems will fall upon increases in business taxes and businesses will leave town. In short, the prognosis for the Garden State would look even worse.

But whoever is Premier next week may have an unpleasant duty: announcing the prospect of between $1.3 billion and $1.9 billion in new losses from the State Bank and the Farrow Group...

Add to those the losses of $795 million already announced by the SBV and -perhaps a little unfairly - John Cain's legacy will be losses of about $2.5 billion from Tricontinental and Farrow. "Unfairly" because he was let down by others whom he trusted, and he has paid the price."

TRUSTING CAIN'S LEGACY IS A TRAIL OF UNEXPLODED BOMBS

THE resignation of John Cain as Premier could well be the final, crowning disaster for Victoria.

www.afr.com

 

[peetoo]

Yes comrades, it’s labor’s fault kennett became premier

 

[Chief]

I can't recall if it was Kennett who first floated the idea of letting McDonald's into schools to run classes.

 

[The Punter]

And there were many who did. Teachers, for instance.


Honestly I don't know much about the Cain government. I was talking about Kennett.

"At this time unions and other left-wing organisations coined the term "Jeffed" as a euphemism for words connotating deception and abuse. The term refers to Jeffrey Kennett. It was a very common phrase on placards and other public slogans in rallies at the time."

Badge - I've Been Jeffed, Australian Nurses Federation, Victorian Branch, Victoria, Australia, 1992

Alternative Name(s): Button Badge issued by the Australian Nurses Federation, Victorian Branch, 1992 Upon election of the state Liberal Government on 3rd October 1992, union and other left-wing bodies organised protests, rallies, and fairs, including a "Fair Go Jeff Affair" at the Treasury...

collections.museumsvictoria.com.au

These are facts, yes.

If I do a little Wikipedia reading (this was all 25+ years ago), I see Kirner also introduced the first endangered species protection legislation.

Kennett closed tech schools and sacked 7,000 teachers. Skills shortages ensued. Skilled migration followed.

So, really, if people are having a spit about migration into Victoria in the 10's and beyond (and whatever social, infrastructure, and housing issues they think arose from that)...

The Cain Government's spending habits are relevant because it was from this watermark that spending was necessarily cut. For all the current government's profligate spending, the actual balance sheet was much worse in 1992, so much so that advice was a run on superannuation entitlements may have left the state insolvent. Things were much worse then than they are now. The previous government is the context under which the seven years of the Kennett Government must be understood.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Kennett's strategy seemed to be austerity, cut funding (particularly if you were, say, in the arts and criticised his government), sack everyone, sell everything.

His privatising of the train and tram network was a mess that promised a lot but delivered a turd to which is still being fixed today

These gems of genius really helped:

*Split a unified train network in two.
*Get the new operators to the refurbish comeng the fleet making them incompatible
*Order some new trains that can't run on each other's side of the network.

The last point in a twist of irony the Liberals found out the hard way when they wanted to put an Xtrapolis on the Frankston line.

 

[peetoo]

Some case studies on how to screw up outsourcing under Kennett regime.

They got geniuses from the UK govt out here to guide them.

UK rail is now being re nationalised and the population is keen for that

 

[Saint]

The PT privatisation was always doomed to failure because it's a public service.

The only benefit for Governments is that they get to out-source negotiations with the RTBU.

So when they go on strike, it's a private matter, not a Government problem.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Some case studies on how to screw up outsourcing under Kennett regime.

They got geniuses from the UK govt out here to guide them.

UK rail is now being re nationalised and the population is keen for that

I can tell you now from experience the UK rail managers are some of the single most useless people on earth.

 

[Sttew]

Some case studies on how to screw up outsourcing under Kennett regime.

They got geniuses from the UK govt out here to guide them.

UK rail is now being re nationalised and the population is keen for that

Its not like Labor hasn't gone down the privatisation path? Ports, VicRoads. They looked at Births Deaths & Marriages, but nobody was prepared to pay the price.

Joan Kirner sold 51% of the Loy Yang B power station in 1992.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

But that was more than 30 years ago. If it was that bad why didn't any successive government reverse it? Don't forget, we've had Labor governments for something like 24 out of the last 28 years

They did for the most part. A lot of the mess from that initial split was cleaned up to the best they could.
The only thing not done was get rid of operators all together. Even then the contracts today are much stricter than back then.

 

[Chief]

The Cain Government's spending habits are relevant because it was from this watermark that spending was necessarily cut. For all the current government's profligate spending, the actual balance sheet was much worse in 1992, so much so that advice was a run on superannuation entitlements may have left the state insolvent. Things were much worse then than they are now. The previous government is the context under which the seven years of the Kennett Government must be understood.

Kennett laid much of the pain on workers and public services, short term responses that have reverberated through the decades. Those were his decisions.

 

[Gough]

Kennett laid much of the pain on workers and public services, short term responses that have reverberated through the decades. Those were his decisions.

He didn't want to do that though, or sell off public assets to his mates, Labor forced him to.