Daniel Kerr, Luke Ball or Jimmy Bartel

[Bomberman86]

Im convinced people in BigFooty are complete dingleberrys. The amount of you who have picked Luke Ball over Jiimmy Bartel is almost the most sickening thing ive ever seen. On the basis that Ball has "silky skills"....WTF are u kidding me??? This is a mock thread right?...

 

[anti_]

Kerr has actually played pretty good in the games he's played, it's just the amount of games he's played is very low.

 

[Invigoration]

Im convinced people in BigFooty are complete dingleberrys. The amount of you who have picked Luke Ball over Jiimmy Bartel is almost the most sickening thing ive ever seen. On the basis that Ball has "silky skills"....WTF are u kidding me??? This is a mock thread right?...

fail

 

[Smurftown#11]

Im convinced people in BigFooty are complete dingleberrys. The amount of you who have picked Luke Ball over Jiimmy Bartel is almost the most sickening thing ive ever seen. On the basis that Ball has "silky skills"....WTF are u kidding me??? This is a mock thread right?...

Yes, most people on BigFooty are complete dingleberries. Yourself included! Did you bother to note that this thread was created IN 2006!!!!!!!!! BEFORE Ball was struck down so badly by his groin problems? Has he ever been the biggest kick in the game? No. But he certainly used to have quality footskills and penetration to nail passes over 30-40m. Not so much any more.....

READING: It Helps....

 

[kfleong2000]

Surely Kerr is the most overrated player to ever play AFL? Has he even got a kick since Judd and Cousins left?

Poor attempt at a troll.

Rd 1 2008 - Brisbane @ Subi - 27 disposals and 3 Brownlow votes
Rd 4 2008 - Freo @ Subi - 33 touches and 2 votes
Rd 14 2008 - Hawthorn @ MCG - 40 touches and 2 votes
Rd 2 2009 - Pt Adelaide @ Subi - 28 touches, 4 goals and 3 votes
Rd 4 2009 - Bulldogs @ Subi - 29 touches and 3 votes

And even more recently:

Rd 1 2010 - Brisbane @ Gabba - 27 disposals, 4 tackles

Before injury struck him down in Round 4.

 

[Bomberman86]

Yes, most people on BigFooty are complete dingleberries. Yourself included! Did you bother to note that this thread was created IN 2006!!!!!!!!! BEFORE Ball was struck down so badly by his groin problems? Has he ever been the biggest kick in the game? No. But he certainly used to have quality footskills and penetration to nail passes over 30-40m. Not so much any more.....

READING: It Helps....

1) Good point I nearly had a anurism just reading it. Maybe would have paid to read properly

2) In any event, NOOB, you cant call someone elite and silky skilled on the basis they hit targets 30-40m away lollllll. Now thats an assessment fail, we're even

 

[_The_Magpie_Nut_]

1.Luke Ball
2.Daniel Kerr
3.Jimmy Bartel

 

[Bomberman86]

1.Luke Ball
2.Daniel Kerr
3.Jimmy Bartel

Jesus...

 

[AG]

Bartel 1st, that's the easy part.

Ball has had a good year and is one of the best at his role but in the back of your head you know Kerr fully fit is better. During the past 3 years he has barely played but he has shown that he can cope at times without Cousins and Judd. Bit of a freak injury this year for him.

Bartel >>>>>>>Kerr>Ball

 

[Smurftown#11]

1) Good point I nearly had a anurism just reading it. Maybe would have paid to read properly

2) In any event, NOOB, you cant call someone elite and silky skilled on the basis they hit targets 30-40m away lollllll. Now thats an assessment fail, we're even

We're not even.

I wasn't the one who called his foot skills either elite or silky. I said they were quality, there is a difference. What he used to be able to do with the ball by foot, he did very well, but he had limitations.

Though silky skills are perfectly apt for shorter ball work. It doesn't inherently imply power. If someone had described his foot skills as devestating or destructive, well then, maybe they were on a different planet.

Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, they said he had "silky skills", not that his kicking was silky. Luke Ball had and remains one of THE best disposers of the ball by hand in the game. There are so many superlatives you could use for his hand skills it's not funny.

Don't take my BigFooty ranking of "Newbie" to mean anything. I'm on here a lot of the time, simply not logged in or posting because I have work to do, I just enjoy keeping tabs on what's getting people agitated. It's quiet at work at the moment and I've been logged in this week to voice my opinions on a few of the Cousins threads going around.

 

[Bomberman86]

We're not even.

I wasn't the one who called his foot skills either elite or silky. I said they were quality, there is a difference. What he used to be able to do with the ball by foot, he did very well, but he had limitations.

Though silky skills are perfectly apt for shorter ball work. It doesn't inherently imply power. If someone had described his foot skills as devestating or destructive, well then, maybe they were on a different planet.

Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, they said he had "silky skills", not that his kicking was silky. Luke Ball had and remains one of THE best disposers of the ball by hand in the game. There are so many superlatives you could use for his hand skills it's not funny.

Don't take my BigFooty ranking of "Newbie" to mean anything. I'm on here a lot of the time, simply not logged in or posting because I have work to do, I just enjoy keeping tabs on what's getting people agitated. It's quiet at work at the moment and I've been logged in this week to voice my opinions on a few of the Cousins threads going around.

1) And I never said you were (see, written b4 u jumped in and started having your period). And no, I disagree, his footskills were not and will never be "quality". You could call them average when hes on, bad when hes not.

2) Jobe Watson says hi

3) Whilst I love to hear what you do in your spare time (ok.. I dont care), maybe, noob, if you are on here so frequently, then you should have read the post on condescending and unnecessary posting. My initial post was open, you responded pretty immaturely really.

Hows the Call Centre work going there kid? haha

 

[Smurftown#11]

1) And I never said you were (see, written b4 u jumped in and started having your period). And no, I disagree, his footskills were not and will never be "quality". You could call them average when hes on, bad when hes not.

2) Jobe Watson says hi

3) Whilst I love to hear what you do in your spare time (ok.. I dont care), maybe, noob, if you are on here so frequently, then you should have read the post on condescending and unnecessary posting. My initial post was open, you responded pretty immaturely really.

Hows the Call Centre work going there kid? haha

You can sit here and call me immature all you want, but I wasn't the one who had to call me a NOOB. You could have easily made your point about footskills and a poor assessment without bringing my status in. Your choice.

Call Centre....right....no worries mate. I'll leave you to your own devices, no point justifying myself to you

 

[Bomberman86]

You can sit here and call me immature all you want, but I wasn't the one who had to call me a NOOB. You could have easily made your point about footskills and a poor assessment without bringing my status in. Your choice.

Call Centre....right....no worries mate. I'll leave you to your own devices, no point justifying myself to you

You know how its obvious that youre young? lol, because I made an open ended comment to nobody in particular which you grabbed on to and directed an insult at me (See Dingleberry comment), and are now under the impression that I somehow started the argument.. rigggggghhhtttt

Youre either really young, or really stupid (If I was you, quite while youre ahead and pick the youngen tag ) - Oh, and my bad, theyre "Contact Centres" now arent they?

Happy working troll.

 

[PatrickBateman]

I'd go with:

1: Luke Ball
2: Daniel Kerr
3: Jimmy Bartel

Ball is the complete package, in that he has silky skills, wins his own ball, is tough in the clinches and never shirks an issue. Kerr is very much a similar player, and is very prolific and consistant - he is generally where the ball is, as noted by the umpires in the Brownlow Medal last year. Probably slightly less explosive.

Bartel is a good player, on the verge of very good, and may even go beyond that. But is probably not as explosive or damaging as his above counterparts. Prolific and couragous, he is a future leader at the Cattery.

Ha hahaha... I see some of us still can't view things with both eyes...

If we're talking careers, Kerr would be the best if they all retired tomorrow. Won a premiership, could have easily won 2 Brownlow medals(I don't see Ball even close in that category??), was well and truly in the real 'elite' category for a couple of years... Bartel and especially Ball have arguably never been in the real top 3-4 midfielders in the league at any given stage(maybe Bartel in '07 only)...

Kerr's stoppage work was superior to both Bartel and Ball. To say Ball is damaging or 'explosive' compared to the other 2 is complete rubbish! Ball is slow and has a very weak, non-penetrative kick... and his hardly a regular goal scorer. You won't find it hard to grab highlights of Kerr busting packs and kicking goals... Ball just isn't that kind of player. By the same token, I'd rate Bartel as good as Ball in clearance work, Kerr easily superior to both. Memories of some of Kerr's handball magic is hard to forget!!

Bartel has far superior marking ability to both and is perhaps more the 'utility' or more diverse as a player. Reading these posts, It's obvious that people have forgotten how good Kerr was before awful luck with injuries. Surprising to be honest. Have some of you been following AFL for 2 years or something??? Or just have real bad memories?

 

[Oh Tayteridge]

You know how its obvious that youre young? lol, because I made an open ended comment to nobody in particular which you grabbed on to and directed an insult at me (See Dingleberry comment), and are now under the impression that I somehow started the argument.. rigggggghhhtttt

Youre either really young, or really stupid (If I was you, quite while youre ahead and pick the youngen tag ) - Oh, and my bad, theyre "Contact Centres" now arent they?

Happy working troll.

And he's the immature one? Jesus Christ dood.

 

[Bomberman86]

And he's the immature one? Jesus Christ dood.

Nah im just arrogant

 

[Glenno23]

Ha hahaha... I see some of us still can't view things with both eyes...

If we're talking careers, Kerr would be the best if they all retired tomorrow. Won a premiership, could have easily won 2 Brownlow medals(I don't see Ball even close in that category??), was well and truly in the real 'elite' category for a couple of years... Bartel and especially Ball have arguably never been in the real top 3-4 midfielders in the league at any given stage(maybe Bartel in '07 only)...

Kerr's stoppage work was superior to both Bartel and Ball. To say Ball is damaging or 'explosive' compared to the other 2 is complete rubbish! Ball is slow and has a very weak, non-penetrative kick... and his hardly a regular goal scorer. You won't find it hard to grab highlights of Kerr busting packs and kicking goals... Ball just isn't that kind of player. By the same token, I'd rate Bartel as good as Ball in clearance work, Kerr easily superior to both. Memories of some of Kerr's handball magic is hard to forget!!

Bartel has far superior marking ability to both and is perhaps more the 'utility' or more diverse as a player. Reading these posts, It's obvious that people have forgotten how good Kerr was before awful luck with injuries. Surprising to be honest. Have some of you been following AFL for 2 years or something??? Or just have real bad memories?

Kerr was only good when he had Cousins and Judd taling the heat off of him

You could say the same about Bartel with Selwood, Corey and Ablett taking the heat away from him. But Bartel has proven to play with a tag and shake it off. Kerr has never really done this. Especially in the past few years when he has hardly played

Bartel has been consistently good for quite some time. I think you have taken too much from him, maybe you don't want to look one eyed?

You say Kerr would be the best if they retired right now..... I strongly disagree

Bartel has 2 flags and a Brownlow, with a chance at adding a 3rd this year.

Kerr has 1 flag, no Brownlow, and 0 chance of winning another flag this year

Bartel>>>>>>> Kerr if they were both to retire right now

 

[MagpieJoel]

Right now, Ball is having a greater impact IMO. However, over their careers both Kerr and Bartel could claim to have been the better players. Overall, Bartel is ahead.

 

[kfleong2000]

Kerr was only good when he had Cousins and Judd taling the heat off of him

You could say the same about Bartel with Selwood, Corey and Ablett taking the heat away from him. But Bartel has proven to play with a tag and shake it off. Kerr has never really done this. Especially in the past few years when he has hardly played

Bartel has been consistently good for quite some time. I think you have taken too much from him, maybe you don't want to look one eyed?

You say Kerr would be the best if they retired right now..... I strongly disagree

Bartel has 2 flags and a Brownlow, with a chance at adding a 3rd this year.

Kerr has 1 flag, no Brownlow, and 0 chance of winning another flag this year

Bartel>>>>>>> Kerr if they were both to retire right now

Already pointed out a few games where Kerr has been dominant without having Cousins and Judd in the side.

And premierships and Brownlows are fine and all, but they are not the sole measure of a player's talent compared to others.

Gary Ablett Snr for example never won a Brownlow or a flag, but no-one ever suggests that Brent Renouf is better simply because he won a flag. Shane Woewodin also won a Brownlow, but no-one ever suggests that he was a better player than Ablett Snr.

What he was suggesting is that Kerr's ability to dominate a game outweighed Bartel's - and I think that's a perfectly reasonable opinion.

 

[Smurftown#11]

Please, you set yourself up for the dingleberry comment when you made a sweeping generalisation about BigFooty posters and forgot to read the start date of the thread. A simple my bad would have sufficed, but you made it personal.

You can persist with the call centre rubbish all you want, I know I don't work in one and that's really all that matters.

Read a few of my posts and you'll clearly know I'm no troll....but as you say, You're arrogant and probably can't see past your own ego....

On other notes, pretty shocked to see a Geelong supporter rating Kerr as Bartel's superior, but each to their own opinions there. And also, I don't know that Ball is necessarily having more impact than Bartel at the moment, though he's playing well. I think his form is getting more coverage because he's proving a lot of his off-season critics wrong. Bartel has been going about his business quietly and consistently without much fan fare recently.

 

[Bomberman86]

Please, you set yourself up for the dingleberry comment when you made a sweeping generalisation about BigFooty posters and forgot to read the start date of the thread. A simple my bad would have sufficed, but you made it personal.

You can persist with the call centre rubbish all you want, I know I don't work in one and that's really all that matters.

Read a few of my posts and you'll clearly know I'm no troll....but as you say, You're arrogant and probably can't see past your own ego....

On other notes, pretty shocked to see a Geelong supporter rating Kerr as Bartel's superior, but each to their own opinions there. And also, I don't know that Ball is necessarily having more impact than Bartel at the moment, though he's playing well. I think his form is getting more coverage because he's proving a lot of his off-season critics wrong. Bartel has been going about his business quietly and consistently without much fan fare recently.

Notice that on the 19/8/2010, there are still BigFooty bloggers arguing Balls worth as being even close to the other 2 fully fit? And you wonder why I made the sweeping "generalization". So emotive, I love it =D

 

[TwisTz]

This year would definitely be:

Bartel > Ball > Kerr

Kerr has struggled big time with injuries and the departure of Juddy and Cuz in recent years which puts him last.

A "victim of circumstance" perhaps, but he is currently nowhere near as valuable as the other two.

 

[Smurftown#11]

Injuries being the big one....Kerr started the season brightly enough. See previously posted stats about Rd 1, but his season ended after Rd4. So yes, the least valuable this year, but that doesn't define his career.

 

[SillyKent]

Bartel is the most consistently good and durable, if faced with a choice you would take him above the other 2 for that alone.

However, Kerr at his best is superior to the other two - he is the most dynamic and has the most matchwinning potential out of the 3 ... given he is fit, I think he would excel more than the other 2 in the present Geelong or Collingwood line-ups.

 

[Choota]

Bartel > Kerr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ball