Player Watch Darcy Moore

[Apex36]

Though him going back to VFL and Playing Forward would Hopefully put Pressure on Jessica White

Zip it with the sexism Dave.

 

[Vicky Park]

Like Reid we settled him as a defender and then moved him up forward. Moore isn't settled in either position

Moore's only played two senior games.

 

[Vicky Park]

Don't think it'll impact his confidence, but it was definitely too early to bring him in.

I think we're beginning to see Bucks' favourites and I'm not liking it.

Yeah, we need Moore to replace White sometime in the future, or be a part of that set up.... but I'd actually prefer to make finals, and rather gift games for development, actually play the best 22 so we can ******* win instead.

I don't think there needed to be any rush on Moore's return. It's mind boggling to say the least as to why he was selected in the first place, and why he was then selected again.

I dont think its 'favourites' that we are seeing, more like a carefully planned and thoughtfully considered strategy to introduce teenagers to senior football. This stuff about Bucks having 'favourites' that he picks against all odds, endangers our chances of winning, and puts our entire season on the line with...nah, just not believable. There are so many variables about team selection that we are not privy too. And then when a new kid plays badly, and its the end of the world as we know it...we can blame Bucks for picking 'favourites'.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I dont think its 'favourites' that we are seeing, more like a carefully planned and thoughtfully considered strategy to introduce teenagers to senior football. This stuff about Bucks having 'favourites' that he picks against all odds, endangers our chances of winning, and puts our entire season on the line with...nah, just not believable. There are so many variables about team selection that we are not privy too. And then when a new kid plays badly, and its the end of the world as we know it...we can blame Bucks for picking 'favourites'.

How is it not believable?

Coaches have favourites. Simple as that. History has shown us this time and time again.

Are you denying this?

 

[Seedsfan]

Moore's only played two senior games.

But he needs to be able to settle in one spot he has chopped and changed in the VFL side

 

[Vicky Park]

How is it not believable?

Coaches have favourites. Simple as that. History has shown us this time and time again.

Are you denying this?

Yes, I think I am. The coach's assessment of the value of one player over another could be (and probably is) very different to the average fan. Maybe the coach has 'preferences', based on a wide range of team and goal oriented considerations, but that's different to 'favourites', which implies one player being 'favoured' over another without sufficient justification.

And maybe I have just dug myself a very big hole full of semantics...

 

[Vicky Park]

But he needs to be able to settle in one spot he has chopped and changed in the VFL side

Look, I tend to agree with you re the VFL. But my post related to the senior team, with Darcy being 'settled' there seemingly a long way off.

 

[Bard]

Played the week before didn't he? I mean half this board is saying Greenwood will play yet he has played less.

Hmm mighta been 2 games yeah... Even then don't think he's ready. Don't think Greenwood was ready either but he's had less injury worries than Sinclair so I'd be less hesitant with him anyway.

 

[doodles98]

Yes, I think I am. The coach's assessment of the value of one player over another could be (and probably is) very different to the average fan. Maybe the coach has 'preferences', based on a wide range of team and goal oriented considerations, but that's different to 'favourites', which implies one player being 'favoured' over another without sufficient justification.

And maybe I have just dug myself a very big hole full of semantics...

Psychologists would disagree. Footy coaches are very human and generally not autistic rocket scientists. Humans have their likes and dislikes and some of this is very much NOT based on a hard nosed objective assessment of players relative football merits. This happens with varying degrees of subtlety in every field of human endeavor where there are people in leadership/management roles. People aren't machines, their subjective personal biases will influence their decisions to some degree or other even subconsciously.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Psychologists would disagree. Footy coaches are very human and generally not autistic rocket scientists. Humans have their likes and dislikes and some of this is very much NOT based on a hard nosed objective assessment of players relative football merits. This happens with varying degrees of subtlety in every field of human endeavor where there are people in leadership/management roles. People aren't machines, their subjective personal biases will influence their decisions to some degree or other even subconsciously.

The ones who did this to the extent that it negatively inpacted the team would be unsuccessful coaches and not last. So far, Bucks has done alright.

 

[Seedsfan]

Look, I tend to agree with you re the VFL. But my post related to the senior team, with Darcy being 'settled' there seemingly a long way off.

I understand your but when they started him as a defender for mine he should have played the whole season there and then go forward next year.

 

[Maggie5]

Psychologists would disagree. Footy coaches are very human and generally not autistic rocket scientists. Humans have their likes and dislikes and some of this is very much NOT based on a hard nosed objective assessment of players relative football merits. This happens with varying degrees of subtlety in every field of human endeavor where there are people in leadership/management roles. People aren't machines, their subjective personal biases will influence their decisions to some degree or other even subconsciously.

Yet there are exceptions. I was managing a wholesale business and I couldn't stand one of my employees (character, values, morals) but she did her job damn well. When it came to salary reviews/bonus were calculated I based it purely on her work and didn't take a subjective view.
Maybe coaches do have favourites but I very much doubt that they would be selected if they didn't meet internal benchmarks.It would affect team morale and haven't seen evidence of that to date.

 

[ClaytonM]

I think 'fast tracking' is a buzz word that doesn't mean much in reality. Everyone is different and playing players in the seniors doesn't have to mean they will get better quicker. Take Reid for example. I would argue his full season in the VFL as a defender helped him develop better than his very early games as a forward in the seniors.

However for a player like de Goey that already dominates the VFL he should be given games in the AFL.

I wasn't against Moore debuting but I think its an exaggeration to suggest it will make him a better player.

I definitely agree player can and should develop in the VFL a for an extended period if appropriate, particularly the bigger players. I have argued this point previously. But I do think some players may benefit from a look at the highest level early as a learning experience. I would have preferred Moore to stay in the VFL a little longer before he was elevated, but happy if he soon goes back to the VFL to work on his game.

 

[KingLonie]

Kid will be a gun. No doubt about it. I think its good for young KPPs to play a couple of AFL games early in their careers and then take them back to the VFL to further develop him. It has worked with Paddy for us and I'm sure it'll work for Darcy. Good luck!

 

[Jonno94]

Kid will be a gun. No doubt about it. I think its good for young KPPs to play a couple of AFL games early in their careers and then take them back to the VFL to further develop him. It has worked with Paddy for us and I'm sure it'll work for Darcy. Good luck!

But you guys didn't play Paddy up forward one week and down back the next.. Darcy should have been playing tomorrow in the VFL up forward.

 

[SApies]

Zip it with the sexism Dave.

Sexism? I also call him Jessica...

 

[Apex36]

Sexism? I also call him Jessica...

And it's getting tired. Whether you believe it to be or not, most of the regular female posters on this board have already expressed their distaste at the derogatory implications of Jesse being labelled a girl.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Vicky Park Maggie5 Magpie Girl

 

[TradeDraft]

But you guys didn't play Paddy up forward one week and down back the next.. Darcy should have been playing tomorrow in the VFL up forward.

Moore is a Forward and should play and stay there

 

[SApies]

And it's getting tired. Whether you believe it to be or not, most of the regular female posters on this board have already expressed their distaste at the derogatory implications of Jesse being labelled a girl.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Vicky Park Maggie5 Magpie Girl

I don't call him Jessica implying he plays like a girl at all. I agree with you. I just call him Jessica because his names Jessie lol. Nothing more to it?

 

[ColinWood]

He got a game in the AFL on the back of 3 goals. But he only had 3 kicks for the day. The week before he was goaless. Wasn't exactly banging the door down. Don't get me wrong I think the kid has enormous talent, but what was the rush?

I suspect Bucks is playing a long game.

1. Despite him dominating VFL week in & out, Bucks has shown him he's way off AFL. Presumably he will now buckle down & keep developing.

2. Bit cocky/confident so this will bring him down to earth and encourage him to earn his strut a little more.

3. Unfortunately these two reasons don't explain why bucks brought him in vs Hawks & Port of all games. Perhaps he thought Darcy might just have an X factor?

Please don't let it be a coaches pet situation....

 

[DAWESOME!!]

In recent history (say last 8 years) this club has a proud tradition of giving kids a go and backing them in big games and it's worked very well for us. I don't see anything wrong with a player like Moore being brought in for a big clash like the game vs the Hawks in and of itself.

Moore (and Maynard) didn't disgrace themselves or let the team down. They applied themselves to their role and put in good effort. It didn't have huge success for Darcy, but he showed he can follow a team plan, apply himself to the role the coach asks him, and also showed again that he's got some great attributes.

Nothing negative in terms of his development or trajectory can possibly come of him having had these chances.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Moore is a Forward and should play and stay there

I think the last 2 weeks show why we have been playing him down back in the VFL.

Darcy probably isn't quite AFL quality just yet but has shown plenty of good things. (and has easily jumped above Gault in the pecking order). He still has quite a bit of development to do until he can be a regular contributor at AFL level. Thats not to say that he isn't worthy of AFL games, because I think he can play that role ok if we want a 3rd tall forward, or defender, but I'm not sure how much more games we give him this season.

What these 2 weeks have shown is how much easier it is for a fringe player to have an impact on the game if they are down back - basically just follow your opponent around, and when the ball comes in - get a spoil in... if you are able to get it first and get a clean disposal great, but the primary purpose is stop your opponent. (its very different to being a forward, when you have to try to win every contest) Get your experience down back, without the pressure of having to win every contest, and just get used to the pace and toughness of AFL football... once he is well and truly accustomed to that, then he will probably be ready to move up forward.
(and obviously that is on the proviso that he isn't a liability down back, which I don't think he was last night)

 

[doodles98]

Yet there are exceptions. I was managing a wholesale business and I couldn't stand one of my employees (character, values, morals) but she did her job damn well. When it came to salary reviews/bonus were calculated I based it purely on her work and didn't take a subjective view.
Maybe coaches do have favourites but I very much doubt that they would be selected if they didn't meet internal benchmarks.It would affect team morale and haven't seen evidence of that to date.

We can only ever take a subjective view... it's how we work consciously or unconsciously. Some, like you, perhaps are better at controlling or minimizing subjectivity and bias and that is a great trait in a leader. I was not saying Bucks has an issue here... I was just arguing a point of fact... All people are influenced by subjective personal bias in their decision making to some degree and to differing degrees in differing times/situations. It's how we're wired and Bucks is no exception.

 

[swoop42]

Not sure why we even selected him when it would have become clear early in the week Williams was to miss and Grundy was to replace him.

We should have just included Marsh in the squad who's be playing defence for a season and a half now or played Scharenberg.

Playing Moore forward one week, defence the next isn't doing him any favours.

Personally I want him developed forward, he's a more dynamic player up that end and we'll need a successor to Cloke in a few years and Moore is the obvious choice at present.

 

[Apex36]

I don't call him Jessica implying he plays like a girl at all. I agree with you. I just call him Jessica because his names Jessie lol. Nothing more to it?

No probs. there are others, including Dave, who use the name for a different purpose.