Player Watch Darcy Moore

[PicaBoo]

Cloke, Darcy and Grundy/Witts are the future. White will play a role this year but when Witts works out how big he is, Enjoy...

Until he stands next to Cox...

 

[TW Sherrin]

Hope White gets first crack at the resting ruck 3rd tall spot

Forward line of Moore, Cloke, White and Howe should cause massive headaches if used correctly.

Agree. Be a shame to recruit a guy and never let him play the role he's recruited for.

 

[Quicky]

It's such a shame he is no good in clutch moments because his 2015 was certainly adequate and he's ahead of Moore currently

This player comparison will hopefully help a few out that have Moore ahead:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...=S&tid2=12&pid2=1746&fid2=P&fopt2=2010&type=A

I look forward to Cloke teaming up with Moore and White in 2016 because it's a potentially potent front 3, IMO, but the current weak link of the 3 is Moore. At this stage it's up to him to prove otherwise and the clubs selection process early year with those two and the second ruck will provide a good insight into how we're approaching 2016.

Do you have Howe in your best 22?

 

[Quicky]

Hope White gets first crack at the resting ruck 3rd tall spot

Forward line of Moore, Cloke, White and Howe should cause massive headaches if used correctly.

Too tall. Too many similar lead and mark types. Especially when Elliott and Fasolo are the other two likely smalls. I reckon you would end up with six guys leading into and cluttering each others space.

 

[TradeDraft]

Too tall. Too many similar lead and mark types. Especially when Elliott and Fasolo are the other two likely smalls. I reckon you would end up with six guys leading into and cluttering each others space.

Because we have no Cumbers on the List

 

[BEEG]

Too tall. Too many similar lead and mark types. Especially when Elliott and Fasolo are the other two likely smalls. I reckon you would end up with six guys leading into and cluttering each others space.

Play Cloke higher up the ground, the other 3 are pretty mobile they aren't like your Brown and Petrie type forwards.

White could almost play as a small.

 

[Scodog10]

Do you have Howe in your best 22?

Yes. My hope is that we look to score more heavily in 2016 and load up on goalkickers hence my severe dislike of the two ruckmen option.

Be that as it may I expect Howe to play further afield anyway in a high half forward role.

 

[PicaBoo]

Too tall. Too many similar lead and mark types. Especially when Elliott and Fasolo are the other two likely smalls. I reckon you would end up with six guys leading into and cluttering each others space.

Better talls then Blair and Cloke going for the same ball like last season.
I reckon it should be okay, our talls are not that similar .

 

[Anzacday]

Until he stands next to Cox...

Are you saying Cox knows how big he is?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Until he stands next to Cox...

If the big Cox plays it will be the biggest show ever in the big league.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Are you saying Cox knows how big he is?

Sometimes he can even stretch himself that bit more
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[Saintly Viewed]

Because we have no Cumbers on the List

I think there is likely 45 on the list that are cumbers

 

[PicaBoo]

Are you saying Cox knows how big he is?

An inch bigger than Witts according to the last comparison.

 

[Quicky]

Better talls then Blair and Cloke going for the same ball like last season.
I reckon it should be okay, our talls are not that similar .

Blair is in that same realm as Elliott and Fasolo as a small leading player. Just not as good. I think too many leading players and they are bound to cramp each others style. Our strengths favour leading types but for balance I reckon we need your Varcoe, Broomhead, Swan and Sidebottom style crumbing ground level types.

 

[jjsmitty8]

An inch bigger than Witts according to the last comparison.

If Jarrod's got his Witts about him, he'll know that Mason's Cox is bigger.

 

[Quicky]

Yes. My hope is that we look to score more heavily in 2016 and load up on goalkickers hence my severe dislike of the two ruckmen option.

Be that as it may I expect Howe to play further afield anyway in a high half forward role.

Wing or half forward?

I think I recall you'd like seeing Cloke in a similar role.

So that would leave Moore, White, Elliott and Fasolo as our deeper options.

I'm not sure that's ideal, although I reckon it would help us to transition to half forward which wasn't great last year. I think we may break down after that though. Although maybe not. Its an interesting idea.

I agree regarding the two rucks, it leaves us far too immobile.

 

[MeisterBot]

It makes me wonder if we re-jig Elliott's role a bit to play more grounded and defensive oriented. For one, I highly doubt Blair gets reliable game time this year unless injuries happen. If we slot Howe into the forward structure and Broomhead plays well in the NAB Cup, our spots in the forward line are loaded (especially since Swan will be pushed towards more forward time due to Aish/Treloar). So no Blair. Second, I actually rate Fasolo as a better "lead and mark" forward than Elliott. There were many times last year where he played like a miniature full forward, charging from the top of the square and marking it strongly front and centre. Though Elliott's speed and agility at ground level far outstrips Fasolo's, he doesn't use it often enough because he's rarely in the position to crumb.

So I wonder (and hope) that that's going to be an aspect of his game that gets focus from the coaching staff over this pre-season because I feel like without a designated ground ball small forward that can apply defensive pressure and crumb, the team looks better on paper than it would out on the field.

 

[Scodog10]

Wing or half forward?

I think I recall you'd like seeing Cloke in a similar role.

So that would leave Moore, White, Elliott and Fasolo as our deeper options.

I'm not sure that's ideal, although I reckon it would help us to transition to half forward which wasn't great last year. I think we may break down after that though. Although maybe not. Its an interesting idea.

I agree regarding the two rucks, it leaves us far too immobile.

More wing than half forward because of his aerial ability and tank. I'd love Cloke in a roaming forward role where he's given license to run wherever he likes because I think it will clear out space for smart forwards in behind, but it seems as though he'll be used as a more traditional CHF starting deeper, leading to 90 from goal and then working back to blow up his opponent.

Ultimately we will have injuries and these guys are all part of a group (which also includes Broomhead, Blair, Swan and potentially Crocker if he starts the year well) the thing is though I'll be happy with the mix in just about any order as long as we don't have a ruckman thrown in there.

A) as you said it robs us of mobility and
B) they just don't hit the scoreboard enough.

Until either of our main ruckman can look like kicking 20 goals + in a season (which they are nowhere near currently) they aren't getting a look in with my forward mix. Others will disagree, but being super tall isn't enough to make a guy a good forward especially if they're weak overhead...

 

[STAR_SHARROD]

Personally, I feel as though the best comparison to make is to someone like Roughy.
Second season was far better than his first season, played 20 games but only ended the year with 12 goals!
I'm a huge Moore fan, but like so many on this topic, see this as another development year where he will continue to improve.

 

[Quicky]

More wing than half forward because of his aerial ability and tank. I'd love Cloke in a roaming forward role where he's given license to run wherever he likes because I think it will clear out space for smart forwards in behind, but it seems as though he'll be used as a more traditional CHF starting deeper, leading to 90 from goal and then working back to blow up his opponent.

Ultimately we will have injuries and these guys are all part of a group (which also includes Broomhead, Blair, Swan and potentially Crocker if he starts the year well) the thing is though I'll be happy with the mix in just about any order as long as we don't have a ruckman thrown in there.

A) as you said it robs us of mobility and
B) they just don't hit the scoreboard enough.

Until either of our main ruckman can look like kicking 20 goals + in a season (which they are nowhere near currently) they aren't getting a look in with my forward mix. Others will disagree, but being super tall isn't enough to make a guy a good forward especially if they're weak overhead...

If you could pick a forward six who would they be and why? I worry we don't get enough ground level players in there.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I think Bucks will go with Moore and Cloke with Resting Ruck before going with Moore,White and Cloke

I disagree. Buck's clearly didn't like that model last year, when he decided to play Witts in the VFL for the latter part of the season. And it is a waste of a spot on the ground if we sit a ruckman the forward pocket waiting for his 5 minutes a quarter to relieve the main ruckman.

I think we will go with three key talls, and ask one to relieve for a few minutes a quarter in the ruck. That is what we did last year. Therefore, I can see the forward line being Cloke, White, and Moore (assuming Reid doesn't play forward, which I would prefer). The only selection pressure to that combination I feel is if Cox comes on more rapidly, then it is probably Moore who comes out.

 

[Jelly Bean]

If you could pick a forward six who would they be and why? I worry we don't get enough ground level players in there.

C: Howe, Greenwood, Crisp
HF: Sidebottom, Cloke, Broomhead
F: Elliott, Moore, White
Int: Swan, Adams, Aish, Fasolo

Howe will play through the wing, but push forward hard into space when he can to get one out in market contest with his opponent. He is no where near a third tall as some seem to think - he is as much a third tall as Elliott and Fas.

Bucks has stated a preference for getting Sidey through the front part of the ground more.

Cloke a harder running CHF, a role in which he is almost unbeatable in the air.

Broomhead and Aish moving through the forward flank and wing.

Elliott and Fas moving through deep forward and half forward.

 

[Scodog10]

If you could pick a forward six who would they be and why? I worry we don't get enough ground level players in there.

I'm personally moving away from forward or back 6's and trying to think of it a little differently going into 2016. I'd try to look it as more of a group because I am very confident that's how the club will approach it and the way I'd break it down is:

Inside/outside midfielder: Swan

Key forward: Cloke

High half-forward: Sidebottom

Small forward: Elliott

Key forward: White

Tall/medium forward: Fasolo

My interchange would then consist of:

Inside midfielder: Crisp

Inside/outside midfielder: Broomhead

Inside/outside midfielder: Varcoe

Ruckman: Moore

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...alian-team-20150922-gjs6c6.html#ixzz3xRpUoJfZ

Howe and Adams would start in those traditional "wing" positions, but would transition pretty quickly with Adams just ball hunting and Howe in a more roaming role. In effect it's reasonably similar to what JB had except I'm not sure Aish is in from the get go.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm personally moving away from forward or back 6's and trying to think of it a little differently going into 2016. I'd try to look it as more of a group because I am very confident that's how the club will approach it and the way I'd break it down is:

Inside/outside midfielder: Swan

Key forward: Cloke

High half-forward: Sidebottom

Small forward: Elliott

Key forward: White

Tall/medium forward: Fasolo

My interchange would then consist of:

Inside midfielder: Crisp

Inside/outside midfielder: Broomhead

Inside/outside midfielder: Varcoe

Ruckman: Moore

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...alian-team-20150922-gjs6c6.html#ixzz3xRpUoJfZ

Howe and Adams would start in those traditional "wing" positions, but would transition pretty quickly with Adams just ball hunting and Howe in a more roaming role. In effect it's reasonably similar to what JB had except I'm not sure Aish is in from the get go.

Adams is not a Wingman. He is an In and Under Midfielder

 

[MeisterBot]

Adams is not a Wingman. He is an In and Under Midfielder

We usually like to have our extra at the contest so it's not a big deal. A high half forward would just roll up the ground to play an outside role. So Sidebottom in Scodog's example.