Toast David Myers, building...

[eth-dog]

Are we seriously debating this? Other than Port, the contenders for top 4 have AT LEAST 4 predominantly inside mids.

Sydney: Kennedy, Jack, McGlynn, Bird, Parker, Hannebery
Hawthorn: Hodge, Shiels, Lewis, Langford, Burgoyne, Hallahan/Simpkin
Geelong: Johnson, Selwood, Duncan, Guthrie, GHS
Fremantle: Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy, Neale, Crowley

 

[Autobahn]

Hird Schoolboy look?

sorry not sorry

Too polite. Something with more character is needed.

 

[ant555]

Keep clutching at those straws mate.

What straws? it is the same all over again The same habit i was guilty of previously.
Anyway the bloke is playing good footy and it would take a good deal to trade him out.

 

[ant555]

Myers has stood up well and suits playing perm. midfield.

The question has been, and remains, whether we can carry Watson AND Hocking AND Myers AND Howlett et al in the middle.. without becoming too slow.

Elite clearance player and becoming super consistent.. but I still worry about his pace as an overall team balance thing... hopefully with the likes of Gleeson and J Merrett coming through with a bit of pace make that a redundant worry.

Probably can not long term but Myers is in front of Howlett so that eliminates one problem when Jobe is back.

 

[rines]

Probably can not long term but Myers is in front of Howlett so that eliminates one problem when Jobe is back.

Clearly in front of Howlett and Melksham this year..

 

[Ben the Gooner]

What straws? it is the same all over again The same habit i was guilty of previously.
Anyway the bloke is playing good footy and it would take a good deal to trade him out.

That it's only my "man love" that makes the suggestion that he's not as good as other captains in the league (I'd rather him over Grimes, van Berlo, Adcock, and probably even Swallow fwiw) irrelevant, not the fact that it's a totally irrelevant suggestion.

It's pretty instructive that you're discussing the trade prospects of a guy who has two full years on his contract after this one as well. Admit it, you were wrong about Myers. Let it go.

 

[rines]

That it's only my "man love" that makes the suggestion that he's not as good as other captains in the league (I'd rather him over Grimes, van Berlo, Adcock, and probably even Swallow fwiw) irrelevant, not the fact that it's a totally irrelevant suggestion.

It's pretty instructive that you're discussing the trade prospects of a guy who has two full years on his contract after this one as well. Admit it, you were wrong about Myers. Let it go.

I agree he *could* be captain material.. but I would choose Heppell for our club (all things considered).

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I agree he *could* be captain material.. but I would choose Heppell for our club (all things considered).

It depends on timing. Heppell will clearly captain the EFC, it's just a matter of when. Jobe is 29, Hepp is 22. If Jobe hands it over in the next couple of years, you've got a 23-24 year old Heppell - will he be ready? My guess is that his game and his leadership skills will still be growing year-on-year at that point (as they do for all players at that age) so they may opt for an intermediate. Myers will be 27 at the same time - he's the absolute standout candidate between the Watson/Stanton/Goddard generation and the Heppell generation.

 

[Keystone agony]

Are we seriously debating this? Other than Port, the contenders for top 4 have AT LEAST 4 predominantly inside mids.

Sydney: Kennedy, Jack, McGlynn, Bird, Parker, Hannebery
Hawthorn: Hodge, Shiels, Lewis, Langford, Burgoyne, Hallahan/Simpkin
Geelong: Johnson, Selwood, Duncan, Guthrie, GHS
Fremantle: Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy, Neale, Crowley

I think you seriously missed the point

 

[Doss]

It depends on timing. Heppell will clearly captain the EFC, it's just a matter of when. Jobe is 29, Hepp is 22. If Jobe hands it over in the next couple of years, you've got a 23-24 year old Heppell - will he be ready? My guess is that his game and his leadership skills will still be growing year-on-year at that point (as they do for all players at that age) so they may opt for an intermediate. Myers will be 27 at the same time - he's the absolute standout candidate between the Watson/Stanton/Goddard generation and the Heppell generation.

Yes. It would not surprise me if Jobe gives up the captaincy at the end of next year, or 2016.

The club may not want to burden Heppell with the captaincy that early. And in that case, Myers is easily the stand out of those older.

 

[Yoda_]

It depends on timing. Heppell will clearly captain the EFC, it's just a matter of when. Jobe is 29, Hepp is 22. If Jobe hands it over in the next couple of years, you've got a 23-24 year old Heppell - will he be ready? My guess is that his game and his leadership skills will still be growing year-on-year at that point (as they do for all players at that age) so they may opt for an intermediate. Myers will be 27 at the same time - he's the absolute standout candidate between the Watson/Stanton/Goddard generation and the Heppell generation.

A 21 year old included in the leadership group is pretty indicative of the young man I would have thought Ben

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Leadership group is very different to captain though.

 

[daffo]

Loving Myers work this year. I think we will move directly from Watson to Heppell for captain

 

[ant555]

That it's only my "man love" that makes the suggestion that he's not as good as other captains in the league (I'd rather him over Grimes, van Berlo, Adcock, and probably even Swallow fwiw) irrelevant, not the fact that it's a totally irrelevant suggestion.

It's pretty instructive that you're discussing the trade prospects of a guy who has two full years on his contract after this one as well. Admit it, you were wrong about Myers. Let it go.

How was i wrong, find me where i said i would trade him for anything other than a really good deal. Do the search. I spent ages saying we needed to wait until he was injury free.Also spent a lot of times telling people he was a very good clearance player when he was playing a bit of VFL footy. Now i have an opinion on him. Good player, not quick, not agile, poor turning circle and a bit slow to react to change of direction. Leadership good, clearance work good, footy brain pretty good, left foot very good even elite, right foot not so much. Defensive side much better but his pace and slightly slow reaction time see him get caught out at times.

I have not really discussed trade prospects of Myers other than to say i would swap him directly for Rioli which would never happen anyway it was more based on who i thought would be the best fit for the team long term and i did say it was close. Other than that i have only ever said i would trade him for a very good deal.
He is not Ablett or Judd. Yes he does have leadership values but he is not an elite player. He is a good player with a lot going for him but that does not make him untouchable. Even if he is better than the captains you mentioned he is still not a top level player.
Heppell is already a better player with equally good leadership qualities and will be our next captain.
I have nothing to let go.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Why do you keep talking about a trade? He's contracted until the end of 2016 (only 5 players are contracted longer) and clearly has no interest given he turned down a big money offer last year to re-sign.

It's really fascinating actually, because it seems to imply that you're really keen to trade him - there's no other reason to keep talking about Myers in the context of trading.

 

[ant555]

Why do you keep talking about a trade? He's contracted until the end of 2016 (only 5 players are contracted longer) and clearly has no interest given he turned down a big money offer last year to re-sign.

It's really fascinating actually, because it seems to imply that you're really keen to trade him - there's no other reason to keep talking about Myers in the context of trading.

I keep talking about because you keep quoting i want to trade him.
In recent posts where did i mention trading him other than saying it would take a good deal ?
You are the one saying i want to trade him. I made comments about trades when Melbourne and the Saints where chasing hard and before he signed.
FFS Ben there would be only 3 or 4 players i would rate not to trade regardless of contract situation. That does not mean i want to trade the whole bloody
list. It is called having a realistic view on things. You know dam well i am not in favour of trading blokes for the sake of trading so why are you being such a dick about it ?
There is a difference between putting a value on a bloke and wanting to move him on. The fact that i rate him not far behind Rioli would indicate how i rate him.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

And like Stanton previously i find it amusing how your man love for him sees you on another crusade to say everyone is wrong.
And no i am not saying he should just be traded or given away.

No one spoke about trading before that post.

Why?

 

[yaco55]

I find the thread fascinating because one or two at the same time last year, complained that this thread existed. i suppose its a different year.

 

[Pweter]

Leadership group is very different to captain though.

Whilst I agree, some people are made for the role. Selwood was what, 21 or so, when made captain? I'd suggest he has carried the role at a young age with aplomb.

What we don't know is how Heppell would've handled the last few weeks if he had the burden of captain on him as well. Everything on field has screamed "captain", however others in the past have done so as well, until actually being named captain.

If Heppell is 24 by the time Jobe steps down as skipper, I'd say he's almost worth a punt and have very solid citizens such as Myers as his lieutenants. If any younger than 24, then it is more debatable whether someone like Myers takes the role.

 

[ant555]

No one spoke about trading before that post.

Why?

And read it very carefully and tell me where it says i want to trade him ?????????????
It was an advanced reply to your usual sarcastic or standard smart arse reply " well we should just trade him then"
I did not actually speak about trading him in fact i said the opposite .
Shit now you can not even mention the word in any context.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

And read it very carefully and tell me where it says i want to trade him ?????????????
It was an advanced reply to your usual sarcastic or standard smart arse reply " well we should just trade him then"
I did not actually speak about trading him in fact i said the opposite .
Shit now you can not even mention the word in any context.

I didn't say once that you wanted to trade him. I'm just curious why you're even discussing him in that context. No one else is.

 

[BrunoV]

No one spoke about trading before that post.

Why?

Wasn't he just addressing the inevitable that was going to be thrown at him anyway because he had previously suggested Myers as a trade option?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

How is it inevitable? Surely a trade is the last thing on anyone's mind when discussing Myers.

 

[Beerfish]

How is it inevitable? Surely a trade is the last thing on anyone's mind when discussing Myers.

Please just give it a rest Ben.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Sure, let's trade him.