David Warner Batting 6??

[roostersgal4eva]

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Has anyone advocating this actually thought about it? I have never really rated Warner as a Test player but if he is in the team he belongs at the top of the order. He likes a hard ball, pace bowling, and the freedom to play his innings how he wants to.

Putting him in the lower middle order where he will be expected to work the ball for singles, farm the strike with tail-enders, deal with spinners on a deteriorating pitch etc. is pretty much playing him against type.

When his ability to throw at anthing makes us 3 for not much, I beg to differ

We need openers who value their wicket

 

[Topper Harley]

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When his ability to throw at anthing makes us 3 for not much, I beg to differ

We need openers who value their wicket

Don't forget, he can only lose his own wicket, he can't lose the other two.

 

[Shupe]

Don't you hate it when an opener can't get 100 every innings? FFS, it really gets my goat.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Don't you hate it when an opener can't get 100 every innings? FFS, it really gets my goat.

Not about that...

He can't tell the difference between 20/20 & test cricket & bat accordingly, 2 down next batsman not in great touch he decides to swing at everything that moves & gets out playing a stupid shot which is not want the team needed

Until that changes he shouldn't be an opener

 

[NTRabbit]

Don't forget, he can only lose his own wicket, he can't lose the other two.

You're right, he's not responsible for Cowan and Watson, what he is responsible for is throwing his own wicket away waving the bat around, when we're already 2/18, and he needs to stabilise the innings with some solid batting.

 

[Shupe]

Not about that...

He can't tell the difference between 20/20 & test cricket & bat accordingly, 2 down next batsman not in great touch he decides to swing at everything that moves & gets out playing a stupid shot which is not want the team needed

Until that changes he shouldn't be an opener

He should be an opener or nothing. This is what you get with Warner and everybody knows it. He's our best opening option at the moment and there is no two ways about it.

I would also rather him get out playing his shots than playing a style of game that is not his. He is more often than not going to hit that ball to the boundary and everybody would be praising a great shot.

 

[NTRabbit]

He should be an opener or nothing. This is what you get with Warner and everybody knows it. He's our best opening option at the moment and there is no two ways about it.

I would also rather him get out playing his shots than playing a style of game that is not his. He is more often than not going to hit that ball to the boundary and everybody would be praising a great shot.

I would rather him not be in the team then, if he can't learn any different. He's not a test opener, not playing like that, he's just a liability that slogs a streaky century every 10 innings in exchange for badly giving up his wicket for low scores in bad circumstances, which makes the circumstances worse.

 

[Shupe]

if he can't learn any different.

So why not give him some time to grow into the role?

 

[NTRabbit]

So why not give him some time to grow into the role?

Why can't he "grow into the role" in first class cricket, like everyone else is forced to do?

 

[Shupe]

Why can't he "grow into the role" in first class cricket, like everyone else is forced to do?

Because he is our best opening option, thus he plays. End of story, really.

Personally I'm content with an opening batsman averaging ~45 and if you are not, then so be it.

 

[NTRabbit]

Because he is our best opening option, thus he plays. End of story, really.

Personally I'm content with an opening batsman averaging ~45 and if you are not, then so be it.

If Warner is our best opening option, then things must be in a dire state.

As it happens, Shane Watson is our best opening option, and has been for a while. The question is, who do we partner him with. I contend Warner is not the answer.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

If Warner is our best opening option, then things must be in a dire state.

As it happens, Shane Watson is our best opening option, and has been for a while. The question is, who do we partner him with. I contend Warner is not the answer.

Watson has been no more convincing than Warner in recent times. Watto needs to get back to somewhere near his best to be considered the best opening option.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Still has a higher average than Cowan, yet all the heat is on him.

 

[Shupe]

If Warner is our best opening option, then things must be in a dire state.

As it happens, Shane Watson is our best opening option, and has been for a while. The question is, who do we partner him with. I contend Warner is not the answer.

Rob Peter to pay Paul? Watson opens and then who is a better option at 3? It's a catch 22. Warner stays.

 

[NTRabbit]

Rob Peter to pay Paul? Watson opens and then who is a better option at 3? It's a catch 22. Warner stays.

So we agree then, our batting stocks for 1-2-3 are so dire that we're having to use a guy who is not up to the task in Warner, because our best 1-2 is having to bat at 3.

The sooner we find a real opening test batsman to replace Warner, and a partner to go with - or someone to bat at 3 to shift Watson back to opener - the better.

 

[Shupe]

So we agree then, our batting stocks for 1-2-3 are so dire that we're having to use a guy who is not up to the task in Warner, because our best 1-2 is having to bat at 3.

The sooner we find a real opening test batsman to replace Warner, and a partner to go with - or someone to bat at 3 to shift Watson back to opener - the better.

Sort of, yes. Although I do think Warner will be the one to stay. Watson should be the one batting at 6.

But like I keep saying, Warner is out best opener at the moment. Watson's batting is ridiculously overrated.

 

[NTRabbit]

Watson's batting is ridiculously overrated.

I don't see how you can say that while keeping a straight face given how much you rate Warner.

 

[DaRick]

Watson's batting average hasn't been very high lately.

 

[BarneyBent]

An opening batsman with a handful of Tests' experience has 3 tons at 42, and he's not up to the task? Christ we have some high expectations.

On a similar note, and contrary to reputation, I'm pretty sure Warner is the one batsman who DIDN'T throw his wicket away at least once this series.

 

[Caesar]

An opening batsman with a handful of Tests' experience has 3 tons at 42, and he's not up to the task? Christ we have some high expectations.

An opening batsman who lasts an average of 8 overs per knock in a side prone to early collapses is a problem, regardless of what he averages.

I will tell you right now that any opposition bowler will gladly give up an extra 5 or 10 runs to an opener in exchange for being able to dismiss him within the first hour of a team's innings. You want to have a crack at as many new batsmen as possible during that crucial first session, where the bowlers are fresh and the ball is hard.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'd rather not have Warner opening. He's too much of a slogger and not an intelligent cricketer. It would be okay if the top order was reliable but right now we don't have a decent number 3 or 4. I'm really tired of seeing Australia 3 for barely anything.

 

[BluesMan]

Nope, it's either Warner opens or bust. And for now, I'm content with him opening.

 

[BarneyBent]

An opening batsman who lasts an average of 8 overs per knock in a side prone to early collapses is a problem, regardless of what he averages.

I will tell you right now that any opposition bowler will gladly give up an extra 5 or 10 runs to an opener in exchange for being able to dismiss him within the first hour of a team's innings. You want to have a crack at as many new batsmen as possible during that crucial first session, where the bowlers are fresh and the ball is hard.

On the other hand, as an opener, Warner can destroy the new ball and really put the opposition on the back foot. We need a solid opening partner and number 3. Moving Warner isn't the answer.

 

[Caesar]

As I said earlier in the thread, I don't agree with moving Warner. I think you either leave him as an opener or get rid of him.

My point is merely that he is the least stable batsman in an upper order that currently needs - above all else - stability. That is why he comes in for so much criticism.

As for whether you keep him in the side or get rid of him - well, there is nobody really beating down the door to replace him so I guess he is safe for now. But IMO he is the sort of Test opener who is a luxury. His value as an opposition-destroying wild card once a series is only worthwhile if you have a bunch of exceptionally strong batsmen around him who can pick up the slack every other innings when he fails spectacularly.

Australia is not the sort of side who can afford luxuries in their top order presently.

 

[Pykie]

I'd rather not have Warner opening. He's too much of a slogger and not an intelligent cricketer. It would be okay if the top order was reliable but right now we don't have a decent number 3 or 4. I'm really tired of seeing Australia 3 for barely anything.

So Warner's responsible for the others, or are you implying he's imparting to much pressure?

With the state of the current side, I'd prefer to have as many match winners as possible in the side, we aren't an oiled machine anymore where we have consistently gun bats from 1-6, our only two world class bats are Clarke and Hussey, we have potential in the bowling stocks, so to have a guy opening averaging low 40's, similar to a Jayasuria for example, is fine by me.

I'd prefer to have a guy who could potentially win an away series in a session, as apposed to a guy who might knock 30's and 40's every match, just because the rest of the top order can't support a player of Warner's style.


Alot of you guys seem a bit like the spoiled child, Dad rolling in it, gives you everything you want, when Dad gets fired, times are tough, you still wan't the diamonds.

Warner's no Hayden, get over it, most people would agree Michael Slater was a good opening batsman for Australia, Warner's career is tracking very similar.....