Draft Expert Davo-27's 2022 u18 Draft Thread

[Blackhawk42]

now that most of the ladder and draft picks are set in place, we can do a more solid Phantom Draft, im going to assume North get an end of round 1 priority pick and that Rankine gets traded to Adel for their 1st round pick

--------------------------------------------- Round 1
Pick 1 - Bris (Bid) - Will Ashcroft
Pick 2 - NM - Harry Sheezel
Pick 3 - WCE - George Wardlaw
Pick 4 - GWS - Aaron Cadman
Pick 5 - Ess - Cam MacKenzie
Pick 6 - G.C. - Jedd Busslinger
Pick 7 - Haw - Elijah Tsatas
Pick 8 - G.C. - Matthew Jefferson
Pick 9 - Port - Mattaes Phillipou
Pick 10 - StK - Jhye Clark
Pick 11 - Carl - Isaac Keeler
Pick 12 - WB - Bailey Humphrey
Pick 13 - Rich - Elijah Hewett
Pick 14 - Frem - Brayden George
Pick 15 - Coll - Oliver Hollands
Pick 16 - Syd - Mitch Szybkowski
Pick 17 - Syd - Lewis Hayes
Pick 18 - Geel - Olli Hotton
---------------------------------------------------- PP
Pick 19 - NM (PP) - Anthony Munkara
---------------------------------------------------- Round 2
Pick 20 - Rich - Adam D'Aloia
Pick 21 - WCE - Tom McCallum
Pick 22 - Bris (Bid) - Jaspa Fletcher
Pick 23 - Ess (Bid) - Al Davey Jnr
Pick 24 - GWS - Harry Barnett
Pick 25 - Adel - Henry Hustwaite
Pick 26 - Haw - Jacob Konstanty
Pick 27 - G.C. - Reuben Ginbey
Pick 28 - WCE - Will Dowling
Pick 29 - StK - Lachlan Cowan
Pick 30 - Carl - Josh Weddle

I can't speak for Essendon supporters, but I feel as though Tsatas would be their preference over McKenzie at that point. From a list management perspective I think it makes more sense for them. McKenzie looks like a really solid, consistent prospect but there is something about what I've seen from him that reminds me more of that Parish/Merrett/McGrath type of mid than Tsatas. Add in Ben Hobbs and it's a midfield full of high end talent but one void of pure class and X-factor.

I could see those two selections swapping. God knows Hawthorn could use another really solid, consistent mid.

On saying that, personally I'd really love Tsatas in brown and gold.

 

[pushintheback]

Davo interested to know, do you rate McKenzie ahead of Tastas or you selected McKenzie on a needs basis first? Think Hawks may end up with McKenzie with Bombers taking Tsatas at 5 but you know a lot more than me so keen to understand your thinking..

Based on Kingslys press conference I wouldn't be surprised if GWS go for Tsatsas. He said they want speed around the ball and will play a similar style of game to Richmond. Tsatsas fits this mould. He's fast and his kicking is more accustomed to this style.

 

[BurnaHawks]

Based on Kingslys press conference I wouldn't be surprised if GWS go for Tsatsas. He said they want speed around the ball and will play a similar style of game to Richmond. Tsatsas fits this mould. He's fast and his kicking is more accustomed to this style.

I could believe that. Add another midfielder to the team of midfielders.

 

[TDS7]

I can't speak for Essendon supporters, but I feel as though Tsatas would be their preference over McKenzie at that point. From a list management perspective I think it makes more sense for them. McKenzie looks like a really solid, consistent prospect but there is something about what I've seen from him that reminds me more of that Parish/Merrett/McGrath type of mid than Tsatas. Add in Ben Hobbs and it's a midfield full of high end talent but one void of pure class and X-factor.

I could see those two selections swapping. God knows Hawthorn could use another really solid, consistent mid.

On saying that, personally I'd really love Tsatas in brown and gold.

If we're getting one of Tsatas, Cadman or Mackenzie we will be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[blueiris]

That would seem logical, as long as they think he's still there at that pick. Might also try to move a pick to 2023 as there could be bids on 3 academy players.

Our first seems likely to be pick 11-12 according to the press our 1st this and a future second for the Suns 2nd rounders helps both teams I think

 

[Davo-27]

Davo interested to know, do you rate McKenzie ahead of Tastas or you selected McKenzie on a needs basis first? Think Hawks may end up with McKenzie with Bombers taking Tsatas at 5 but you know a lot more than me so keen to understand your thinking..

just some recent talk of the bombers potentially being into MacKenzie, so i worked it in there as an possibility.

 

[Davo-27]

Based on Kingslys press conference I wouldn't be surprised if GWS go for Tsatsas. He said they want speed around the ball and will play a similar style of game to Richmond. Tsatsas fits this mould. He's fast and his kicking is more accustomed to this style.

if GWS Target speed (i didnt see Kingsley's press conference) then i think it could go like this at the top?

Pick 1 - Bris (Bid) - Will Ashcroft
Pick 2 - NM - Harry Sheezel
Pick 3 - WCE - George Wardlaw
Pick 4 - GWS - Elijah Tsatas
Pick 5 - Ess - Cam MacKenzie
Pick 6 - G.C. - Jedd Busslinger
Pick 7 - Haw - Aaron Cadman
Pick 8 - G.C. - Oliver Hollands

GWS go for Tsatas, we get Cadman a partner for Lewis and G.C. get the Hollands brother as well as their KPD.

difference then being we(Hawks) would look for a mid at 26 imo, maybe a Darcy Jones who could give us a PoD at that pick?

 

[OB11]

if GWS Target speed (i didnt see Kingsley's press conference) then i think it could go like this at the top?

Pick 1 - Bris (Bid) - Will Ashcroft
Pick 2 - NM - Harry Sheezel
Pick 3 - WCE - George Wardlaw
Pick 4 - GWS - Elijah Tsatas
Pick 5 - Ess - Cam MacKenzie
Pick 6 - G.C. - Jedd Busslinger
Pick 7 - Haw - Aaron Cadman
Pick 8 - G.C. - Oliver Hollands

GWS go for Tsatas, we get Cadman a partner for Lewis and G.C. get the Hollands brother as well as their KPD.

difference then being we(Hawks) would look for a mid at 26 imo, maybe a Darcy Jones who could give us a PoD at that pick?

I see GC looking at the Hawks having a pick in between there 2 picks and not thinking they are taking Busslinger and waiting until 8 (like when Hawks took Roughy before Tigers because of their interest and then got Buddy) and picking up the one that falls out if Cadman, Tsatas or McKenzie...and hope to get Hollands with the Lions pick if they can secure that.

 

[Davo-27]

I see GC looking at the Hawks having a pick in between there 2 picks and not thinking they are taking Busslinger and waiting until 8 (like when Hawks took Roughy before Tigers because of their interest and then got Buddy) and picking up the one that falls out if Cadman, Tsatas or McKenzie...and hope to get Hollands with the Lions pick if they can secure that.

we could also look at Jefferson or Clark, we're in a position where there are plenty of options, i dont think we care what is taken before our pick, the depth of talent early goes about 3-4 deep for elite talent then about 15-20 for top tier talent, so we arent going to miss on a top tier talent, its just whichever is there for us in a position we want to draft for.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

I see GC looking at the Hawks having a pick in between there 2 picks and not thinking they are taking Busslinger and waiting until 8 (like when Hawks took Roughy before Tigers because of their interest and then got Buddy) and picking up the one that falls out if Cadman, Tsatas or McKenzie...and hope to get Hollands with the Lions pick if they can secure that.

Mackenzie would be a fantastic pick for the GC I reckon.

Not sure if you need more of his type but given he has lived in 3-4 different countries already its hard to see him having the go home factor.

 

[TheAthlete]

if GWS Target speed (i didnt see Kingsley's press conference) then i think it could go like this at the top?

Pick 1 - Bris (Bid) - Will Ashcroft
Pick 2 - NM - Harry Sheezel
Pick 3 - WCE - George Wardlaw
Pick 4 - GWS - Elijah Tsatas
Pick 5 - Ess - Cam MacKenzie
Pick 6 - G.C. - Jedd Busslinger
Pick 7 - Haw - Aaron Cadman
Pick 8 - G.C. - Oliver Hollands

GWS go for Tsatas, we get Cadman a partner for Lewis and G.C. get the Hollands brother as well as their KPD.

difference then being we(Hawks) would look for a mid at 26 imo, maybe a Darcy Jones who could give us a PoD at that pick?

Can someone explain to me in what world MacKenzie is ahead of Phillipou?? Phillipou has him covered in literally every aspect of the game. Faster, better in the air, more powerful, better goal kicker, better hands in close and wins a higher percentage of contested footy. Oh and can play second key forward if needs be. Please justify it anyone not just you Davo

 

[Davo-27]

Can someone explain to me in what world MacKenzie is ahead of Phillipou?? Phillipou has him covered in literally every aspect of the game. Faster, better in the air, more powerful, better goal kicker, better hands in close and wins a higher percentage of contested footy. Oh and can play second key forward if needs be. Please justify it anyone not just you Davo

i think they are on the same level, Phillipou at his best is fantastic, but he isnt always at his best, last year he was somewhat up and down in form and also this year he showed some up and done form in the champs, Phillipou and MacKenzie both have bursts of speed, Phillipou is a good goal kicker which he has over MacKenzie, MacKenzie moves better in the midfield, bursts away from stoppages more or so it seems, Phillipou is more likely to handball it or kick around his body, but can also get clear at times, Phillipou is taller and stronger but less consistent.

Physique(power): Phillipou > MacKenzie
Goal Kicking: Phillipou > MacKenzie
speed: similar, although Phillipou uses his speed more to get free to score goals, whereas MacKenzie uses his speed to break away from congestion more
work rate: MacKenzie > Phillipou
consistency: MacKenzie > Phillipou

i think they are similar level of player, Phillipou is a forward who plays midfield and MacKenzie is a defender who stepped up in midfield this year.

also this ranking of MacKenzie at this pick was because apparently theres rumours Essendon could be into MacKenzie so i went with it as a thought exercise.

when i think of Phillipou's games, what stands out is a 50m goal in the wet, handballs in close to Dowling, sneaking out the back for a goal in the forward line, rarely breaking free in midfield, good goal sense when playing forward or getting free to run inside 50, but i also remember in approx 10 games, 5 gms of him being one of the best and 5 gms of him being very average and at times seeming a bit casual.

when i think of MacKenzie's game theres a lot more run and carry, running from congestion, winning some inside ball and using pace to create separation, good use of the ball going forward, in the approx 10 games about 9gms he is one of the best and 1 gm he is average.

 

[TheAthlete]

i think they are on the same level, Phillipou at his best is fantastic, but he isnt always at his best, last year he was somewhat up and down in form and also this year he showed some up and done form in the champs, Phillipou and MacKenzie both have bursts of speed, Phillipou is a good goal kicker which he has over MacKenzie, MacKenzie moves better in the midfield, bursts away from stoppages more or so it seems, Phillipou is more likely to handball it or kick around his body, but can also get clear at times, Phillipou is taller and stronger but less consistent.

Physique(power): Phillipou > MacKenzie
Goal Kicking: Phillipou > MacKenzie
speed: similar, although Phillipou uses his speed more to get free to score goals, whereas MacKenzie uses his speed to break away from congestion more
work rate: MacKenzie > Phillipou
consistency: MacKenzie > Phillipou

i think they are similar level of player, Phillipou is a forward who plays midfield and MacKenzie is a defender who stepped up in midfield this year.

also this ranking of MacKenzie at this pick was because apparently theres rumours Essendon could be into MacKenzie so i went with it as a thought exercise.

Come on consistency and midfield craft. He had the highest super coach score for the entire champs in game 1. He was sick in game 2 so played mainly forward. In game against all the Vic Metro superstars he was clearly best on ground before he got injured. He won it inside the contest and out and had 9 touches in 14 mins. When he went off it was level. When he came back in and could barely move he provided probably the highlight of the game. He then stayed forward due to back spasms. As for consistency outside of the champs it has been crazily consistent. I think the least touches he had in a game would be 20 this year.

 

[Davo-27]

Come on consistency and midfield craft. He had the highest super coach score for the entire champs in game 1. He was sick in game 2 so played mainly forward. In game against all the Vic Metro superstars he was clearly best on ground before he got injured. He won it inside the contest and out and had 9 touches in 14 mins. When he went off it was level. When he came back in and could barely move he provided probably the highlight of the game. He then stayed forward due to back spasms. As for consistency outside of the champs it has been crazily consistent. I think the least touches he had in a game would be 20 this year.

when i think of Phillipou's games, what stands out is a 50m goal in the wet, handballs in close to Dowling, sneaking out the back for a goal in the forward line, rarely breaking free in midfield, good goal sense when playing forward or getting free to run inside 50, but i also remember in approx 10 games, 5 gms of him being one of the best and 5 gms of him being very average and at times seeming a bit casual.

when i think of MacKenzie's game theres a lot more run and carry, running from congestion, winning some inside ball and using pace to create separation, good use of the ball going forward, in the approx 10 games about 9gms he is one of the best and 1 gm he is average.

he was good in the vic metro game, thats the game where he kicked that long goal and he was good early, i understand he had an injury issue, but thats not one of the games he was poor in tbh, maybe you're right and he is better than i think he is, but i also remember him being very casual last year as a forward, this is not something new to his game, but he is supremely talented you are right, i might have to watch them go head to head in that vic metro game again and see who had more influence and useful disposals early in the game.

 

[mattyc75]

now that most of the ladder and draft picks are set in place, we can do a more solid Phantom Draft, im going to assume North get an end of round 1 priority pick and that Rankine gets traded to Adel for their 1st round pick

--------------------------------------------- Round 1
Pick 1 - Bris (Bid) - Will Ashcroft
Pick 2 - NM - Harry Sheezel
Pick 3 - WCE - George Wardlaw
Pick 4 - GWS - Aaron Cadman
Pick 5 - Ess - Cam MacKenzie
Pick 6 - G.C. - Jedd Busslinger
Pick 7 - Haw - Elijah Tsatas
Pick 8 - G.C. - Matthew Jefferson
Pick 9 - Port - Mattaes Phillipou
Pick 10 - StK - Jhye Clark
Pick 11 - Carl - Isaac Keeler
Pick 12 - WB - Bailey Humphrey
Pick 13 - Rich - Elijah Hewett
Pick 14 - Frem - Brayden George
Pick 15 - Coll - Oliver Hollands
Pick 16 - Syd - Mitch Szybkowski
Pick 17 - Syd - Lewis Hayes
Pick 18 - Geel - Olli Hotton
---------------------------------------------------- PP
Pick 19 - NM (PP) - Anthony Munkara
---------------------------------------------------- Round 2
Pick 20 - Rich - Adam D'Aloia
Pick 21 - WCE - Tom McCallum
Pick 22 - Bris (Bid) - Jaspa Fletcher
Pick 23 - Ess (Bid) - Al Davey Jnr
Pick 24 - GWS - Harry Barnett
Pick 25 - Adel - Henry Hustwaite
Pick 26 - Haw - Jacob Konstanty
Pick 27 - G.C. - Reuben Ginbey
Pick 28 - WCE - Will Dowling
Pick 29 - StK - Lachlan Cowan
Pick 30 - Carl - Josh Weddle

Hustwaite or ginbey with the eagles second pick would be nice

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[chopflop]

if GWS Target speed (i didnt see Kingsley's press conference) then i think it could go like this at the top?

Pick 1 - Bris (Bid) - Will Ashcroft
Pick 2 - NM - Harry Sheezel
Pick 3 - WCE - George Wardlaw
Pick 4 - GWS - Elijah Tsatas
Pick 5 - Ess - Cam MacKenzie
Pick 6 - G.C. - Jedd Busslinger
Pick 7 - Haw - Aaron Cadman
Pick 8 - G.C. - Oliver Hollands

GWS go for Tsatas, we get Cadman a partner for Lewis and G.C. get the Hollands brother as well as their KPD.

difference then being we(Hawks) would look for a mid at 26 imo, maybe a Darcy Jones who could give us a PoD at that pick?

Davo, don't do it to me!

Cadman and Jones is like my perfect draft scenario!

 

[TheAthlete]

when i think of Phillipou's games, what stands out is a 50m goal in the wet, handballs in close to Dowling, sneaking out the back for a goal in the forward line, rarely breaking free in midfield, good goal sense when playing forward or getting free to run inside 50, but i also remember in approx 10 games, 5 gms of him being one of the best and 5 gms of him being very average and at times seeming a bit casual.

when i think of MacKenzie's game theres a lot more run and carry, running from congestion, winning some inside ball and using pace to create separation, good use of the ball going forward, in the approx 10 games about 9gms he is one of the best and 1 gm he is average.

he was good in the vic metro game, thats the game where he kicked that long goal and he was good early, i understand he had an injury issue, but thats not one of the games he was poor in tbh, maybe you're right and he is better than i think he is, but i also remember him being very casual last year as a forward, this is not something new to his game, but he is supremely talented you are right, i might have to watch them go head to head in that vic metro game again and see who had more influence and useful disposals early in the game.

Very fair

 

[M Malice]

Very fair

Right back at you Mrs Phillipou.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

Davo at this stage who is your preferred pick with our first at 7? I’m hoping for Cadman but don’t think he will last till 7

 

[Davo-27]

Davo at this stage who is your preferred pick with our first at 7? I’m hoping for Cadman but don’t think he will last till 7

I would say my preference order would be Wardlaw, then Sheezel, then Tsatas, then Cadman, then Mackenzie, then Phillipou, then Jefferson or Clark, any of those players would be great.

 

[TheAthlete]

Right back at you Mrs Phillipou.

The only concerning thing M Malice will be when he makes you look stupid for 15 years. I on the other hand will be just a simple bystander with a smile that comes with the knowledge that some people know and others well it isn't there fault they just don't know what they don't know!

 

[weltschmerz]

Hustwaite or Ginbey?

 

[TheAthlete]

The only concerning thing M Malice will be when he makes you look stupid for 15 years. I on the other hand will be just a simple bystander with a smile that comes with the knowledge that some people know and others well it isn't there fault they just don't know what they don't know!

The kid is the most driven I have ever seen and most recruiters agree he has the highest upside so barring injuries it is hard to see him not having a heck of a career. Plus youngest in the draft and I think is likely to get bigger. So could well end up Cripps size

 

[Davo-27]

Hustwaite or Ginbey?

i'd take Ginbey, he is quicker and tougher, the only PoD for Hustwaite is that he can play tall defender as a 2nd option whereas Ginbey plays sml/med defender as his 2nd position, but head to head in the midfield i would back in Ginbey to win the contest.

 

[weltschmerz]

i'd take Ginbey, he is quicker and tougher, the only PoD for Hustwaite is that he can play tall defender as a 2nd option whereas Ginbey plays sml/med defender as his 2nd position, but head to head in the midfield i would back in Ginbey to win the contest.

What's Ginbey like in the back line? The Dogs have a surplus of attacking defenders, would love to pick up a defensive mid and/or defender with actual defensive nous.