Dawes a CHF or FF
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Forward lines today don't seem to be as clear cut as that. All forwards seem to drift around the 50 and push up a bit aswell when needed. Besides he has only played 2 or 3 games, he may not play either position.
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Pretty true.
Positions like CHF and FF are really only indicative and are used far more by the media than the coaching staff.
It would be fair to say he is a forward...what type?...well he has yet to really show any outstanding aptitude for any specific role. At the moment
he is really more "decoy" for our other forwards and a bit of a "pack breaker".
Given how and when he debuted he is probably not the only one confused about his role. Next year should give a better indication.
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Well you are making a Job for just having a Go at me when I post something.
How about you get a Life and Quit Putting Crap up everytime I make a Post
I am making a job by having a go at you??? Huh?
Dawes has played 3 AFL games and you are making a post asking whether he will play FF or CHF......
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It's called an Opinion Thread. Yes it's early in his Carrer but I just want to hear what people think and This thread could come back up Next Year as well for further Discussions
Too early to tell. I have no doubt he was drafted with the hope of being moulded into a closer to home goal square type foward. I also have no dout that at the moment he is far more comfortable playing up the ground at CHF. If we are talking right now I doubt anyone can argue that he hasn't been more comfortable at CHF. His VFL at FF was shitful, started playing a bit better when he ventured further out and the confidence grew from there.
His AFL form here is irrelevant as his main role is too free up space for Cloke, and allow Cloke to go deeper without having to lead up to the wing and then give the team and option when Cloke does lead out and that is what he is doing.
His AFL form here is irrelevant as his main role is too free up space for Cloke, and allow Cloke to go deeper without having to lead up to the wing and then give the team and option when Cloke does lead out and that is what he is doing.
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As already said, forward lines rarely stay static for an entire match. Depending on matchups, our forwards might play deep or push up to the arc. Still, if I had to choose between CHF and FF, I'd say he looks more a CHF to me.
Too early to tell and too early to decide.
As a general rule, a player who can take a strong contested mark is better value up the ground where he can get more opportunities to play to his strengths. So I agree with most that he looks more like a CHF.
As a general rule, a player who can take a strong contested mark is better value up the ground where he can get more opportunities to play to his strengths. So I agree with most that he looks more like a CHF.
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Both. CHF & FF, rotating with Travis.
If his kicking is questionable, (give it time to see if it's nerves) play him in the back line rotating him with Jack Anthony through the forward line.
If his kicking is questionable, (give it time to see if it's nerves) play him in the back line rotating him with Jack Anthony through the forward line.
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I dont think its nerves. Has never been the greatest kick. I think it will improve. If he has Jacks accuracy he would be good prospect.
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Isn't it funny and some people thought Dawes wasn't ready for afl yet!
Some were saying no, don't play him he is miles off .HA HA !
I have been screaming about bringing him in weeks and weeks ago.
He will be a gun in afew years ,with travis and dawes they will tear a new hole in most teams very soon.
This idea of playing the kids during finals will do wonders from next year.
Still though letys not lose sioght that we want premierships and every yaer must count.If only Didak,Shaw,Rocca,Thomas,burns,Rusling were all firing fit NOW we could have pulled off a miracle this year.
But with the pies its always next year !
Some were saying no, don't play him he is miles off .HA HA !
I have been screaming about bringing him in weeks and weeks ago.
He will be a gun in afew years ,with travis and dawes they will tear a new hole in most teams very soon.
This idea of playing the kids during finals will do wonders from next year.
Still though letys not lose sioght that we want premierships and every yaer must count.If only Didak,Shaw,Rocca,Thomas,burns,Rusling were all firing fit NOW we could have pulled off a miracle this year.
But with the pies its always next year !
He's not. If Reid Rusling or Rocca were fit, Dawes would still be playing VFL. In fact he's every chance to get dropped this week with Brown coming back in.
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BUT,hasn't he already been playing?
Of course he would not have been playing if rocca and co were fit,i am talking about the past 6 weeks when we only had cloke and Anthony in our forward line.
As soon as he came in ,the pressure was off cloke and Anthony and we have been winning since.
BIG MISTAKE , to drop him if that happens there goes another marking option up forward,cloke will be double teamed and anthony won't be as effective and the result is WE WILL LOSE.
Collingwood needs to have the 3 tall options ,with the samlls at thier feet otherwise we are Fu.......d !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think ad a general rule now days contested marking is of more value inside the 50. With more defenders clogging up the fowardline having guys who can take contested marks inside foward 50 are priceless.
You were calling for Dawes long before he showed any VFL form, in fact he was playing very poorly at VFL. To date at AFL level IMO, he hasn't shown anything you above what could be expected of him. He has shown some good signs and lots of inexperince but mostly he has been meh (nothing signs to suggest super stardom nor not making it.) and the best value has been his ability to take a defender and lead up and leave Trav deeper.
In the days of the flood theres all the more reason to have your best big marking player outside the 50 to draw the best defenders out of the zone to man up , and create holes inside 50.
I guess we will agree to disagree, for my mine the flood works on numbers and say Trav is our best foward the and has two going with him and a third designated to try and block the room for him to lead, once he gets to around 50 out 2 zone of and go back and clog the 50 while Trav gets the ball turns around and has nothing to kick it too.
In my mind a contested mark is always more valuable in the foward 50 and if you have a player capable of doing that then they are more value in the 50. If you have a player with good marking 1 on 1 who can't take a grab in the cogestion then of course they are more valuable leading out further.
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Yep, agree to disagree.
History is in my favour though - Brown, Carey, Kernahan, etc etc etc - albeit I realise the game has changed a lot.
If a strong marking player is going to be double teamed anyway , may as well drag the defenders out and away from goal. Plonk him in the goalsquare and he'll be triple teamed. Better to leave ground level players in the goalface.
Trav's pretty mobile too - tends to take quite a few marks on the lead and on one on ones, so he' capable of taking a mark in heavy traffic as well as in packs. Not sure Dawes has the same turn of pace and lateral mobility.
See for mine J Brown plays as much like a FF as a CHF and is no longer playing a tradition CHF. Pav is another one who plays that role. I think Riewoldt is another who is a better CHF that is being forced to play deeper due to team structure.
I will concede that it is not a traditional FF either it is somewhere in between and as many have been saying that it's a matter of all FF's being asked to go further out to get their kicks if need be as well as CHF becoming a more obselete position that gets bypassed when possibly forcing CHF's deeper. That said I still beleive if you can run and carry the ball through the midfield and then deliver to a strong marking foward your better then trying to chip and hit up a CHF and give the defenders more oppertunity to zone back and have to be more precise with your entry into the 50
Only because he's now a broken down old man. He doesnt have the fitness any more. Same as A Rocca. He's a genuine CHF who just cant play there any more.
Anyway, we disagree. Thats ok.
Not actually on Dawes but our forward line. As we have a surplus of big forwards (Cloke, Rocca, Reid, Rusling, Anthony, Dawes and I think there is another one in the VFL playing pretty well but cannot remember his name, etc) who will be 2 or three that get regular games next season based on what we have seen to date.
I know Anthony was intended as a backman and people are saying Reid to a wing and Rocca won't be there much longer. However, Anthony has done well up forward this year and is very accurate at goal wich is something we have missed for a while, and could Reid just start playing on the wing next year? Or would he stay in the forward line for another year or two before he is ready?
The only thing I am worried about is having these players who could be good but are just playing VFL as there is no place in the team for them losing value. Think Courtney Johns here, he has been on Essendons list (finished now) for over five years and has played about 20 games, iirc he was considered a good FF prospect for Essendon but there just wasn't a place for him due to the Lloyd/Lucas combination ripping teams apart.
I know Anthony was intended as a backman and people are saying Reid to a wing and Rocca won't be there much longer. However, Anthony has done well up forward this year and is very accurate at goal wich is something we have missed for a while, and could Reid just start playing on the wing next year? Or would he stay in the forward line for another year or two before he is ready?
The only thing I am worried about is having these players who could be good but are just playing VFL as there is no place in the team for them losing value. Think Courtney Johns here, he has been on Essendons list (finished now) for over five years and has played about 20 games, iirc he was considered a good FF prospect for Essendon but there just wasn't a place for him due to the Lloyd/Lucas combination ripping teams apart.
J Brown is hardly a broken down old man, I think he has missed 2 games in the last 2 years (or something close to that) which isn't bad for an old man. I think he has been carrying a small niggling injury this year (I think I read that somewhere) and has still kicked 70 goals this season and he backs into packs, runs with the flight as he has always done.
Please don't put him in the same category as Rocca as in broken down old man, Rocca is closer to the G-train then Brown.
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