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Injury Dawson Simpson - second back surgery

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Grizzly_82 said:
Hmmmm

Not going to question wells recruiting HMac but.....

Gee I got no faith in the rucks this year.
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Grizz , its not like we could have recruited the best ruck in the league with the pick we gave up. We bought a bit of blue sky if it he is right come finals. ATM , I'm seeing Otten's all over again and it took all of 05,06 and 07 till the Otten we know now was acclaimed as Mr Finals

I agree that Simpson going down is not ideal , perhaps if they had the ability to for see that he would go down they could have gone for a Hickey etc.. I feel Simpson has a year to show he is worth the effort or we will look at alternatives at years end
 
Turbocat said:
I'm seeing Otten's all over again and it took all of 05,06 and 07 till the Otten we know now was acclaimed as Mr Finals
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Otto was a champion at Richmond though, he was an All-Australian centre half forward, at one point...he surpassed Richardson as the best player in their side and arguably the best centre half forward of the game, McIntosh has been good but he's reached his full potential and it's hard to see him improving or reaching the levels he was at 3-4 years ago.

I think we went for him in the aim of filling a short term necessity while Wells looks for a future ruck in the meantime.
It seems Simpson's back injury will be a consistent hindrance and the club may have known this heading into draft week last year.
 

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footscore said:
Otto was a champion at Richmond though, he was an All-Australian centre half forward, at one point...he surpassed Richardson as the best player in their side and arguably the best centre half forward of the game, McIntosh has been good but he's reached his full potential and it's hard to see him improving or reaching the levels he was at 3-4 years ago.

I think we went for him in the aim of filling a short term necessity while Wells looks for a future ruck in the meantime.
It seems Simpson's back injury will be a consistent hindrance and the club may have known this heading into draft week last year.
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Footyscore , you remember him differently to me . AA once but basically considered an over paid , lazy, waste of talent - not ever the best chf in the game. If his body could stand up , HMac could still turn his story around just like Otto (imo) but like all thing its always easier being smart after the fact , far harder to make a playe for someone , actually get a deal done and have it be a brilliant outcome
 
Turbocat said:
Footyscore , you remember him differently to me . AA once but basically considered an over paid , lazy, waste of talent - not ever the best chf in the game. If his body could stand up , HMac could still turn his story around just like Otto (imo) but like all thing its always easier being smart after the fact , far harder to make a playe for someone , actually get a deal done and have it be a brilliant outcome
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Geez!
Still remember him being a force and one of the first genuine big men who could play forward and ruck at the same time and dominate both positions.
For a good 3 seasons at one point he was pulling down over 7 marks along with 16 hitouts per game as a key forward/ruck and also averaged over 30 goals per year, his AA season he kicked about 50 goals while also playing a lot of time as the ruck.

If we can manage to get 15+ goals, 16 hitouts and 5 marks per game from HMac, we'd be laughing.
 
We have 2 on the LTI don't we? Jed Bews!

We need a ruck so Blicavs would be a no brainer if he plays well against Adelaide, the other comes down to needs.
Do we need another small (Eardley) or a backup key like Walker or Bathie.
I like Walkers versatility, he can pinch hit in the ruck or relieve a key, and he's also a very big unit this year.
Just don't know if we're really that desparate for a small in Cam E ATM, bit stiff for him.
 
meto said:
We have 2 on the LTI don't we? Jed Bews!

We need a ruck so Blicavs would be a no brainer if he plays well against Adelaide, the other comes down to needs.
Do we need another small (Eardley) or a backup key like Walker or Bathie.
I like Walkers versatility, he can pinch hit in the ruck or relieve a key, and he's also a very big unit this year.
Just don't know if we're really that desparate for a small in Cam E ATM, bit stiff for him.
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Bews is not LTI yet, is he?
 
So why did we get rid of Stephenson. DS and MacIntosh both injury risks which would have been known.
 
ATSAM said:
So why did we get rid of Stephenson. DS and MacIntosh both injury risks which would have been known.
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I doubt very much that we would have retained Simpson unless medical advice was that he would be at least as injury-free as anyone else. It would have, as you say, simply made no sense.
 
Simpson on the LTIL doesn't change much in my opinion the club would have known he was a risk, they have been very loyal hanging on to him for as long as they have in my opinion,I'd marked his card 2 years ago along with a couple of others who have been delisted.

I also had West gone just to balance things a bit I don't get them all right and would be thrilled if big Daws was to come back and bite me on the arse but right now he's like the man with the wheel barrow pushing shit up hill,5 years on the list, multiple injuries,few AFL games in that time and no form of any kind good or bad.

In before big blokes take longer this is beyond that and is all injury related a real shame and I wish him all the best and a speed recovery but I still doubt he has a future at Cat land.
 
you pick one said:
Simpson on the LTIL doesn't change much in my opinion the club would have known he was a risk, they have been very loyal hanging on to him for as long as they have in my opinion,I'd marked his card 2 years ago along with a couple of others who have been delisted.

I also had West gone just to balance things a bit I don't get them all right and would be thrilled if big Daws was to come back and bite me on the arse but right now he's like the man with the wheel barrow pushing shit up hill,5 years on the list, multiple injuries,few AFL games in that time and no form of any kind good or bad.

In before big blokes take longer this is beyond that and is all injury related a real shame and I wish him all the best and a speed recovery but I still doubt he has a future at Cat land.
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It seems almost certain that the club had a good medical report on him last time.
Otherwise, it made no sense to keep him and recruit McIntosh, with his injury history.
I think both the medicos and the club are likely to be far more sceptical and cautious at the end of this season; I doubt whether Simpson will get the type of medical clearance the club will need.
 

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FredLeDeux said:
It seems almost certain that the club had a good medical report on him last time.
Otherwise, it made no sense to keep him and recruit McIntosh, with his injury history.
I think both the medicos and the club are likely to be far more sceptical and cautious at the end of this season; I doubt whether Simpson will get the type of medical clearance the club will need.
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You don't think if the medical report was good for Daws there would have been no need to take the risk with H.Mc and his history allowing us to draft a young ruckman or strengthen another area.
I reckon H.Mc medical was better than Dawsons.
 
you pick one said:
You don't think if the medical report was good for Daws there would have been no need to take the risk with H.Mc and his history allowing us to draft a young ruckman or strengthen another area.
I reckon H.Mc medical was better than Dawsons.
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No, I think even if Simpson's report was good, they still would have considered it necessary to pick up an experienced big ruckman to fill the gap until Simpson is ready (if ever); even if he's fit, we still have no evidence to show whether he is or isn't going to be good enough; and last season's disastrous around-the-ground clearance results showed we had an immediate need if we are to have a crack this season.
 
you pick one said:
You don't think if the medical report was good for Daws there would have been no need to take the risk with H.Mc and his history allowing us to draft a young ruckman or strengthen another area.
I reckon H.Mc medical was better than Dawsons.
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The way I see this is, last year, at season's end, DS appeared to be over his issues, and put together some games and started to look promising.There was no sign he was hamprered by back issues in the VFL finals- just a little down on fitness from lack of preseason.
The selection of HMac was intriguing for me, because his previous and immediate record was as we all know, far from impressive. Maybe they just value his potential so much, a bit of Ottens - like.
Either way, what has happened to DS is concerning. I have always heard he was our "project player", and they have invested a lot of time into him.
As said previously, it would be frustrating for us if he does finally get his body together, next year, and finds himself elsewhere. But can we afford to keep investing? My reply is YES, but I have been off the mark in that area several times before, as I 'll no doubt get reminders of.
 
FredLeDeux said:
No, I think even if Simpson's report was good, they still would have considered it necessary to pick up an experienced big ruckman to fill the gap until Simpson is ready (if ever); even if he's fit, we still have no evidence to show whether he is or isn't going to be good enough; and last season's disastrous around-the-ground clearance results showed we had an immediate need if we are to have a crack this season.
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Fair point but my take on it is if you are right and his Medical was good as you suggest,why not just keep Stephenson as back up,Good rucks do have an effect of cause on clearances not as much as in the past or we would still have Blake, but so do your on ballers and with ling missing from 2011 Corey struggling, Bartell hampered with a foot, no Varcoe we were to reliant on the skipper and one or two up and comers in Christensen and Duncan at times, with support from Stokes.
You can't convince me H.Mc wasn't taken because they had doubts on Simpson, we could go around in circles here.Agree to disagree i'm off to the beach.
 
you pick one said:
Fair point but my take on it is if you are right and his Medical was good as you suggest,why not just keep Stephenson as back up,Good rucks do have an effect of cause on clearances not as much as in the past or we would still have Blake, but so do your on ballers and with ling missing from 2011 Corey struggling, Bartell hampered with a foot, no Varcoe we were to reliant on the skipper and one or two up and comers in Christensen and Duncan at times, with support from Stokes.
You can't convince me H.Mc wasn't taken because they had doubts on Simpson, we could go around in circles here.Agree to disagree i'm off to the beach.
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Ava good day.:D
 
you pick one said:
Fair point but my take on it is if you are right and his Medical was good as you suggest,why not just keep Stephenson as back up,Good rucks do have an effect of cause on clearances not as much as in the past or we would still have Blake, but so do your on ballers and with ling missing from 2011 Corey struggling, Bartell hampered with a foot, no Varcoe we were to reliant on the skipper and one or two up and comers in Christensen and Duncan at times, with support from Stokes.
You can't convince me H.Mc wasn't taken because they had doubts on Simpson, we could go around in circles here.Agree to disagree i'm off to the beach.
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On the bolded point, I have a theory: Club didn't rate Stephenson above VFL-level after giving him a year.
 

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LifeSpan-Void said:
On the bolded point, I have a theory: Club didn't rate Stephenson above VFL-level after giving him a year.
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Retaining Stephenson was in the context that Dawson had a clean bill of health and would play which would have left Oren the 4th option behind West,Dawson and Vardy,not many have a Dean Cox as 4 ruck.
My take is they had no faith in Simpson having an impact this year and went the H.Mc and correct option.
Just one mans opinion not saying it's right.Now I gotta go find a stream and watch those blood Hawks.
 
LifeSpan-Void said:
On the bolded point, I have a theory: Club didn't rate Stephenson above VFL-level after giving him a year.
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The only senior game I can really remember him in is that Hawthorn one... and he dominated! Having said that, Hawthorn's ruck stocks haven't been too much chop in the last five or six years...
 
You can spin it any way you like, but clubs don't delist required players. If Stephenson was, in the eyes of the MC, any good - he'd have been retained. I'm sure Geelong would have put the feelers out for a McIntosh-level ruckman much sooner had Ottens been more upfront with his plans, but made do with a mature body. Unfortunately not every VFL stalwart will handle the skill gap to AFL as well as Podsiadly.
 
Stephenson is a mark Blake clone a top level tap ruckman but generally below par everything else- he just wasn't fit enough last year and struggled to run out games. He'll be better this year after his first proper pre season. Could have played AFL sooner but just refused to be a rookie at north.
Mistake delisting him that's for sure he's very durable and great backup, but we can make up for it with our project ruckman and Hmac.
I was more annoyed that we couldn't go after Ivan Maric when we had the chance.
 
dazbroncos said:
Means a list addition, but with Burbury in a boot, Bews ( senior) out, Menz in the wings and HMAC still "2 weeks away", is it down to Bathie and Blicavs purely on need?
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Bathie and Blicavs are considered, but Walker is not??????????????
 

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