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There is really FA difference in those stats, not enough to say Beams is the far superior player.
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It's not about how much gap there is between them as players - I specifically said that their best is similar.
It's about how obvious it is that Beams is the better player of the two - There's really no basis for an argument that Zaharakis is better, even though he is close.
It's like asking who's a better sprinter - Usain Bolt or Tyson Gay. The gap between them isn't massive, but there's no real argument that Gay is better than Bolt.
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Beams has runs on the board so far, only difference is Sidey has stepped up in finals.
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Zaka will not end up like Didak. He isn't soft. He may not be a bull at the gate, but that doesn't mean he is soft.
I havent seen much of Beams this year, but Zaka has improved a lot each year, hopefully with the coaching panel that we have in place now that will continue becasue I really rate him highly as a future AA.
Since moving into the middle around mid-year, Zaka has been awesome. Beams missed almost 2 months of footy this year, so there's no doubt that Zaka has had a better season, despite what the average stats suggest. Personally think Zaka is a touch classier. They both sit nicely alongside Hannebery, Shiels, Shuey, Redden, Sloane and couple of other 2008 draft midfield bargains.
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This. Didak is a very odd comparison.
Didak is better below his knees and much more agile. Zaharakis doesn't have the sidestep in traffic that Didak has. Plus as you said, Didak has better skills around goal and in general play.
Zaharakis is much more physical, better overhead and has better speed in a straight line, and probably acceleration.
Very different footballers.
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Apologies. Yeah no, he wont end up like Didak. That's quite obvious. Didak is a premiership player + ALL Australian.
Zaka is too inconsistent for mine.
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I made a poll on the collingwood board at the start of the year and the majority were for Sidebottom. However I opted for Beams now and in the future.
They both have good futures, Sidebottom has the vision and poise of Pendlebury, but lacks the height and body size to really impact as much as Pendles.
Beams I have always stood by my belief his will turn out to be a better version of Swan - an inside and outside accumulator who can win his own ball and link up around the ground.
Beams had a good game today - missed 3 shots at goal on very tight angles which was disappointing, but would have had a goal had he not passed off to Blair 10 meters out.
Excited to see how Zaharakis goes tomorrow.
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Sidebottom is silk, and with Fyfe is one of the two mids I would love to get at Essendon. I can see him becoming like Pendlebury. Fantastic skill, poise. A lot of what Collingwood do right goes through Sidebottom. Probably needs to be a bit more consistent. Beams is much more workmanlike, at the bottom of the packs more often so it stands to reason that Sidebottom stands out more to the casual observer.
Back on topic, Beams has clearly had the better start to the career. It's a bit of an odd comparison due to the nature of the players. Very happy with Zaka's year, especially the second half. Will be a very good player for us in the future. Biggest gripe on him is his set shot goal kicking, otherwise his skills are top drawer. I think both sets of fans are pretty happy with what they have got
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They have a lot of similarities actually, both play forward and mid, though Zaharakis hadn't played as much midfield as Beams until this year. Both are good shots in general play and on the run, but are pretty average from set shots. Similar size (Beams has a couple of cm on Zaka), very similar age, similar draft pick, similar career averages (Beams a few more HBs a game).
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Very consistent all year. except for round 2, round 5, round 7, rounds 11 and 12 and round 19.
Very uneducated OPINION obviously
Oh and of coarse of the elimination final...
Given the choice to take one i'd go for Zaha but i think both are overated by their respective clubs atm. Especially beams. Zaha i think atleast has room for growth and will end up very good.
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He definitely started the year forward flank. Around the middle of the year he moved further up; partially through injuries it must be said.
Certainly was much better later in the year than earlier, and his quiet games were mainly early.
According to pro-stats (stats not perfect but something of a yardstick) he had:
44 clearances in the second half of the year to to 7 in the first
29 shots in the first half to 18 in the second half
184 touches in the first half to 271 in the second half
20 rebound 50s in the second half to 3 in the first half
ie, he moved up the park and found more of it.
Don't bullshit a bullshitter.
Certainly was much better later in the year than earlier, and his quiet games were mainly early.
According to pro-stats (stats not perfect but something of a yardstick) he had:
44 clearances in the second half of the year to to 7 in the first
29 shots in the first half to 18 in the second half
184 touches in the first half to 271 in the second half
20 rebound 50s in the second half to 3 in the first half
ie, he moved up the park and found more of it.
Don't bullshit a bullshitter.
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your going to use pro stats to try and prove your point? Widely known as a lot of shit.
I dont understand what point you're making? I said 'he was very consistent all year except for the specified rounds'. In other words not all that consistent. I said he is too inconsistent for mine. (that means my opinion!) You said hes been consistent all year. I showed otherwise. whether or not he played as a 'small forward' he's still too inconsistent. Yeah?
I dont understand what point you're making? I said 'he was very consistent all year except for the specified rounds'. In other words not all that consistent. I said he is too inconsistent for mine. (that means my opinion!) You said hes been consistent all year. I showed otherwise. whether or not he played as a 'small forward'
he's still too inconsistent. Yeah?
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Collingwood fans wont part with Beams and vice versa.
Fine! I'll b blunt then. Your post is crap!!
You have gone to the stats to try and find some ammunition agaisnt Zaka and the best you can do is highlight 6 games out of 23 where he has been down. I've shown that in two of those he has made decent contributions which make 19 games where he has performed.
19 out of 23 = consistancy.
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If that's considered a decent contribution that's probably the reason essendon are an average middle of the road side. Might as well just say 'and the pressure he put on in the other 4 games were also decent'
23 out of 23 = consistency! Please...
23 out of 23 = consistency! Please...
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