News Dean Bailey joins Crows

[ltdamn]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a faint memory that this has already been tried before. Perhaps it was under Ayres.

It was. He was our forward line coach and also skills coach for a while but turns out he was not such a good coach, and he also ate all the pies. Apparently you can't teach kids to balk 3 players, wheel around onto the left and snap it through the middle from 50 out, they have to be born with it. Who knew?

 

[macca23]

Bailey has a history and a culture something I wish would stay the phuq away from us because it go noone else anywhere..

The positivity of Sandersons appointment has now diminshed in my eyes with this decision or should i say exceptance of mediocrity.

You do realize that the same people that appointed Sanderson appointed Bailey??

IMO they know far far more about the capabilities of Bailey than you do - far more.

I'm with Jenny. FFS shut up with the negativity already!!

 

[Dc9798]

I'm really pleased with Dean Bailey joining our club, he was highly regarded as a Port assistant and politics more than anything was the reason why Melbourne sacked him. More than happy to have him on board!

 

[rayven]

You do realize that the same people that appointed Sanderson appointed Bailey??



I'm with Jenny. FFS shut up with the negativity already!!

Okay point taken, but Sanderson? whats his culture? tanking, squibing? immature ego driven media interviews?

NO, Sanderson drove emotions in me that i hav'nt experienced in awhile. His wording of " if i was a player i would expect'? gave me goose bumps. Guy was apart of US in our day under cornsey, saw Collingwood in times they struggled with what we did and was part of geelong in many roles in probably the most consistent club EVER!

Apparantly Bailey tanked, squibed and excepted ********s(Williams) because it was his job to? Now are you understanding my point? If he proves he can put that behind him ?
But Culture is something developed , not changed and the VFL has had a rank smelly culture for decades and I am against that.
But i'll move on after this thread is finnished because it won't be applicable to future discusions, only something that can be considerd but not proven. Like Culture.

I think the bloke is scum and I am entilted to my opinion and that will change nothing.

 

[tinman]

Great appointment, well done to the club on picking up a gun like Bailey as an assistant coach. Has absolutely tons of football nous and will be a huge asset.

Fantastic news!!

 

[Vantz]

I'm really pleased with Dean Bailey joining our club, he was highly regarded as a Port assistant and politics more than anything was the reason why Melbourne sacked him. More than happy to have him on board!

Good pick up for our caching panel. Sometimes individuals are better assistants than head coaches.

The one concern I have with Dean is that it was evident towards the end of his tenure at Melbourne they were still not playing the press and struggled with some basic game-plan strategy. I hope this was an oversight by his group and not his message.

 

[jenny61_99]

Okay point taken, but Sanderson? whats his culture? tanking, squibing? immature ego driven media interviews?

NO, Sanderson drove emotions in me that i hav'nt experienced in awhile. His wording of " if i was a player i would expect'? gave me goose bumps. Guy was apart of US in our day under cornsey, saw Collingwood in times they struggled with what we did and was part of geelong in many roles in probably the most consistent club EVER!

Apparantly Bailey tanked, squibed and excepted ********s(Williams) because it was his job to? Now are you understanding my point? If he proves he can put that behind him ?
But Culture is something developed , not changed and the VFL has had a rank smelly culture for decades and I am against that.
But i'll move on after this thread is finnished because it won't be applicable to future discusions, only something that can be considerd but not proven. Like Culture.

I think the bloke is scum and I am entilted to my opinion and that will change nothing.

How bout you keep it to yourself then until you can see that a) your thoughts are actually warranted as it relates to his assistant coaching role with the AFC or b) you realise you are a wally for jumping the gun in which case you didn't get embarrassed for opening your mouth too early.

 

[Demon 86]

He's a very good addition and will be popular with the players.

He's a great asset when he can focus on a few specific areas, rather than be burdened with a holistic approach. As he's rather thorough and enjoys a personal touch, this deminished with the Dees.

Glad to have him on board.

Absolutely spot on mate. Bails is a legend of a bloke and will be excellent helping the youngsters at your club develop. He'll fast become one of the most popular blokes there.

Dean had a lot to do with Port's 2004 flag as it were, and he was ousted from the Melbourne football club after they bowed to the pressure they themselves engineered, by instructing him to do exactly the job he did. Reality is he's a terrific thinker, tactically very strong, and will add a lot to our club through applied focus.

Now this is a bit off the mark. Bailey was ousted because we had the highest losing margin in the AFL. He is tactically weak as evidenced by his gameplan allowing absolute poundings one week, then huge wins the next. He was poor at reacting tacticly in game, and I could give many examples of other tactic related shortcomings but I digress. Geelongs 186 point decimation of us only expediated the inevitable- he was gawn end of this year.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I always approach the "tactical weak" assumptions with caution

His tactics could be very sound which means the issue could be with the players discipline or ability to execute

 

[Wood_Duck]

If that happens, I think I'll call it a day. Seriously over this shit.

You pay too much attention to it Jen. Read it, disgaree with it and move on. You will send yourself mad if you give time to every shit post on BF.

 

[moogerfooger]

His pedigree is obviously pretty good and he brings a degree of gravitas being a former senior coach. A good appointment.

It has also brought on a degree of panic over on the Port board. Matty Primus so far has ONE confirmed assistant coach for 2012.

 

[Demon 86]

I always approach the "tactical weak" assumptions with caution

His tactics could be very sound which means the issue could be with the players discipline or ability to execute

Fair enough I would too if I'd not watched them play every game during his reign. It really isn't acceptable to still have the players not know how the gameplan works after 4 years- whether it's the players or the coach's fault ultimately the coach is the one that always pays the price.

Another tactics related example which was just horrible to watch for all MFCs supporters (one of many supporting our club ) was our kick in strategies. Kick it long to Jamar was all we had for four years- in Viney's 5 odd games we tried 3 or 4 different things with some big coast to coast goals.

I do think Bailey didn't have the right support staff with him during his tenure. Viney is excellent as you lads know, but the rest of his crew were B grade at best.

In any case Bails will be an excellent addition to your crew and as mentioned before your youth in particular

 

[Freddy Bassett]

You do realize that the same people that appointed Sanderson appointed Bailey??

IMO they know far far more about the capabilities of Bailey than you do - far more.

I'm with Jenny. FFS shut up with the negativity already!!

X3.....


Seriously can not believe that some people think this is a bad thing....

The amount of outside intellect our club now has already compared to last year is sensational.... Hopefully we can get a couple more, maybe a Milburn and another totally leftfield and I will be very happy

Last year we had the 2nd to worst coaching group, we are slowly moving up!

 

[Jars458]

I always approach the "tactical weak" assumptions with caution

His tactics could be very sound which means the issue could be with the players discipline or ability to execute

That will be seen next year under a new coach. IMO the Dees will really struggle.

 

[KUNG FU]

As I've said elsewhere, I was a critic of him as a head coach from day one, but I think this is a very smart appointment. I think he could have got a lot more out of that Melbourne side than he did, not necessarily in games won, but development and overall competitiveness. They would have picked up plenty of good players in the draft without tanking, and indeed they probably could have got the priority picks without voluntarily sabotaging their game and prematurely delisting a few older heads that would have provided on and off field leadership. There were some real highlights in the Bailey era of Melbourne, but they seemed directionless onfield. This fact, coupled with his highly regarded tenure as an assistant at Port leads me to believe he is a good micro-manager, but didn't handle the holistic Melbourne challenge well, particularly with all the niggling problems they have as a club, finance, resources, a testy board and a very young group. Obviously has a wealth of experience,outstanding development credentials, is still fairly young and will be the perfect sounding board for Sando and co.

 

[spexau]

By the sounds of it I think he'll enjoy a role where he hasn't got anywhere near the same amount of responsibility or any where near as many constraints (particularly financial) as he may have had at Melbourne. He'll be a good fit along side Sando I think.

 

[OnTheFool]

Adelaide has also appointed former Richmond ruckman Paddy Steinfort as its new leadership development manager-

Just letting you blokes know that you got a real gem here. I played under him at Mazenod in the VAFA league. He is a great guy, knows how to get the best out of his team and is really good off the field. Paddy took us too our first finals appearance in over 5 years. He will be very good for the culture of the Adelaide football club

Role suits him very well. I wish him all the best

 

[SydCrow]

Adelaide has also appointed former Richmond ruckman Paddy Steinfort as its new leadership development manager-

Just letting you blokes know that you got a real gem here. I played under him at Mazenod in the VAFA league. He is a great guy, knows how to get the best out of his team and is really good off the field. Paddy took us too our first finals appearance in over 5 years. He will be very good for the culture of the Adelaide football club

Role suits him very well. I wish him all the best

thanks for that

 

[KUNG FU]

Appreciated mate.

 

[footy4ever]

Fair enough I would too if I'd not watched them play every game during his reign. It really isn't acceptable to still have the players not know how the gameplan works after 4 years- whether it's the players or the coach's fault ultimately the coach is the one that always pays the price.

Another tactics related example which was just horrible to watch for all MFCs supporters (one of many supporting our club ) was our kick in strategies. Kick it long to Jamar was all we had for four years- in Viney's 5 odd games we tried 3 or 4 different things with some big coast to coast goals.

I do think Bailey didn't have the right support staff with him during his tenure. Viney is excellent as you lads know, but the rest of his crew were B grade at best.

In any case Bails will be an excellent addition to your crew and as mentioned before your youth in particular

Well that's it then. We're stuffed! ...because we sure as hell don't have a kick in strategy either...oh wait yes we do = kick it near the 50m line and boundary towards the members stand.

I dont understand the excitement with this appointment. Now if it was Malthouse I would be getting a bit excited, but this seems like a good-guy-decent-bloke Neil Craig replacement - not a bad thing, but do we need another squeaky-clean culture-maintainer?

I'm reserving any over the top praise and/or scathing condemnation until we know what he actually brings to the AFC. Can't say i saw anything inspiring or unique in Melbourne's gameplan except for the fact that we played our shittest football against Melbourne... and have done so for years, long before Bailey was coach.

 

[Sekaj]

Can't say i saw anything inspiring or unique in Melbourne's gameplan

Apparently, it was designed to put Melbourne, and I quote, "in the best position for draft picks". Is that what we're aiming for here at the Crows?

For the record, I reckon I myself could have coached Melbourne to last without much effort.

 

[dylan123]

Well if losing one more game means getting a compo pick then why wouldn't you want it? Bailey may have tanked as such but he got to mess with his side a little to see if he could find a better suited position for any of his players by experimenting which has to be done when you're side is on the bottom because obviously plenty isn't working for you.

If he was good enough to get the head role at 1 of the 16 clubs at the time, then I'm sure he will be more then useful in an assistant coaches role.

 

[swanfan]

I am going to buy myself a poppy tree and if it doesn't end up being tall, I want the distributor sacked immmediately.

 

[bobble]

It was. He was our forward line coach and also skills coach for a while but turns out he was not such a good coach, and he also ate all the pies. Apparently you can't teach kids to balk 3 players, wheel around onto the left and snap it through the middle from 50 out, they have to be born with it. Who knew?

Haha, the pies.

Jars taught me how to kick checksides from the boundary when I was about 12. Worked for me!

 

[Vader]

I can't say that I'm inspired by the decision to sign Bailey. When you look at it as a trade of Craig <--> Bailey, Adelaide clearly come out of this as massive losers.

He's obviously a failed coach, but does he have something significant to offer us in the role of an assistant? I have confidence in the system which appointed him, so I'm going to go with yes - for now.