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[INSANE]

watching the Fox replays of this season gone, they are both very much fringe players.

Cripps though has real talent. Battled injury last year so struggled with fitness and form. Found some continuity at the end of the year and played well.

Morton was a fringe player though....Played in a shit team, injury free and still only played about 6 games.

 

[SpaceClef]

Would you have Dalziell and Rosa in the same team ? may as well recruit Steve Moneghetti to run for us instead.

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[fryzie]

That seems to be his prob, not enough desire to become something. Can't imagine Selwood or Cotchin not bothering to go hard because others aren't. Piss weak attitude. If he doesn't toughen up mentally and physically he wont make because his ability isn't that good that you'd ignore his obvious flaws.

As for saying there was a reason he was pick 4 and Cripps 24....That means nothing really, it's looking like Melbourne just simply stuffed a top ten pick (of which there have been many).

Rubbish assertion, if Cale was a standalone top 10 pick that had failed at Melbourne you might be right, but when you look at the surrounding circumstances you can't just say it's all his fault. Not only that it was never a surprise that he was going to go top 10. He had the talent.

You have no idea how Selwood or Cotchin would react to playing in a team like Melbourne's as a 17 year old and how quickly their desire to win might be quelled by a losing culture. Morton was a skinny kid who appears to have had no example from senior players or coaches telling him to hit the contest harder. Sooner or later that will wear you down, if the production line has a design flaw, the finished product will most likely be flawed also.

Sylvia, Watts, Trengove, Scully all guys that were highly rated top 10 picks that have shown a lack of commitment and desire at Melbourne 90% of the time, I seem to recall Scully saying one of the reasons for his leaving was being because he never thought he'd be able to achieve his best at Melbourne ($$s probably help too).

It is up to the Eagles to help him instil a tougher mindset after years of neglect. Cale doesn't have to be Beau Waters or Jono Brown, he just needs to have support from team mates and apply himself and then once he has some confidence the physical stuff will follow.

 

[INSANE]

Rubbish assertion, if Cale was a standalone top 10 pick that had failed at Melbourne you might be right, but when you look at the surrounding circumstances you can't just say it's all his fault. Not only that it was never a surprise that he was going to go top 10. He had the talent.

You have no idea how Selwood or Cotchin would react to playing in a team like Melbourne's as a 17 year old and how quickly their desire to win might be quelled by a losing culture. Morton was a skinny kid who appears to have had no example from senior players or coaches telling him to hit the contest harder. Sooner or later that will wear you down, if the production line has a design flaw, the finished product will most likely be flawed also.

Sylvia, Watts, Trengove, Scully all guys that were highly rated top 10 picks that have shown a lack of commitment and desire at Melbourne 90% of the time, I seem to recall Scully saying one of the reasons for his leaving was being because he never thought he'd be able to achieve his best at Melbourne ($$s probably help too).

It is up to the Eagles to help him instil a tougher mindset after years of neglect. Cale doesn't have to be Beau Waters or Jono Brown, he just needs to have support from team mates and apply himself and then once he has some confidence the physical stuff will follow.

Every top ten pick is seen to have talent. Years down the track though, we realise some are great, some are not as good as we thought and some are no good at all. There are heaps of duds taken top ten, it looks like Cale might be one.

We were shit in 08', 09' and 2010 and Richmond similar, they never stopped doing the team things and never gave less than 100% effort. They would make it at Melb.

At least those four guys you mentioned were in the team when fit and had some sort of positive impact.

And wtf is with the last paragraph? Years of neglect?? If he's as fragile as you make him sound he wont make it.

I do hope I'm wrong though.

 

[the harry]

Cale Morton = Andrew Mcdougall?

Say it isn't so!

 

[fryzie]

Every top ten pick is seen to have talent. Years down the track though, we realise some are great, some are not as good as we thought and some are no good at all. There are heaps of duds taken top ten, it looks like Cale might be one.

I agree, he might be one, but I think it is very far from a foregone conclusion and he should be given the benefit of the doubt and supporters shouldn't be too quick to find a new Tom Swift.

We were shit in 08', 09' and 2010 and Richmond similar, they never stopped doing the team things and never gave less than 100% effort. They would make it at Melb.

There is a difference between being shit and deliberately tanking for picks.

Brock McLean said earlier this year that he left the club because he was "uncomfortable with their approach in the final games of the 2009 season". You cannot compare team that is shit due to lack of cattle but where everyone is genuinely trying to a team that is losing on purpose.

I highly doubt that if Cotchin had been drafted by Melbourne he would be the same calibre of player that he is.

At least those four guys you mentioned were in the team when fit and had some sort of positive impact.

Consistently? Did they give 100% effort in every game they played? Nope.

And wtf is with the last paragraph? Years of neglect?? If he's as fragile as you make him sound he wont make it.

It's not a question of fragility it's a question of a 17 year old kid entering the elite system and not being given the proper guidance, training, attention and leadership that is required to develop into a solid footballer. If those systems are neglected, how can a player develop at the top level?

Morton had to hire and pay for his own personal trainer over the last 12 months because he didn't feel the Melbourne training system was adequate. That shows that he is intent on making it and it is that kind of assistance and guidance is what has been neglected, and the Eagles will obviously aim to rectify it.

I do hope I'm wrong though.

Me too, I'm not saying he will definitely make it, I'm saying in this instance, I do not think he's entirely to blame and should be given the benefit of a fresh start under a quality club with Premiership aspirations.

 

[nameless]

At least if he completely ***** up we only used pick 80 on him.

 

[keviewiggle]

At least if he completely ***** up we only used pick 80 on him.

Don't forget he looked like being a world beater in his first two seasons.
One game he racked up 37 possessions .
You don't loose ability, just confidence.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Morton will get his chance with us just maybe not this year hopefully ( Injuries being minimal we have our best 22 with the addition of Welly )

 

[Max zero]

Morton had to hire and pay for his own personal trainer over the last 12 months because he didn't feel the Melbourne training system was adequate. That shows that he is intent on making it and it is that kind of assistance and guidance is what has been neglected, and the Eagles will obviously aim to rectify it.

Got a source for that because that is pretty messed up if true?

 

[Masto]

The pre season reports of Tunbridge so far are very exciting.

The mixed reports on his wafl performances this seaoson were less than I'd hoped. He was after all 1 of 12 17 year olds picked up by the Giants and thus had already had some serious training.

Although this was only in a 3 month age range so really he was pro rata 1 of the top 48 17 year olds, but still, his attitude with getting the personal trainer rather than train with the club last year was encouraging.

Not sure exactly where he'd fit into the team but can never have enough guys with good foot skills.

If it's Tunbridge v Morton I'm on Team Tunbridge.

Could become the 2013 version of Team Swift vs Team Koby. Gold helps us.

 

[Avalor]

Got a source for that because that is pretty messed up if true?

No source, but I definitely read that Cale had hired a personal trainer - not sure when that started though. It could have been in the off-season only. Still, the same applies - he obviously wants to give himself the best chance to really make it this time round.

 

[lewigie]

No source, but I definitely read that Cale had hired a personal trainer - not sure when that started though. It could have been in the off-season only. Still, the same applies - he obviously wants to give himself the best chance to really make it this time round.

Yeah, I read that it started over the off season.

 

[Masto]

I agree, he might be one, but I think it is very far from a foregone conclusion and he should be given the benefit of the doubt and supporters shouldn't be too quick to find a new Tom Swift.

No one finds Tom Swift. Tom Swift finds you.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I'm pretty sure it was just for the off-season.

He obviously just wanted to come back really fit for 2013 regardless of what club he was at.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Don't forget he looked like being a world beater in his first two seasons.
One game he racked up 37 possessions .
You don't loose ability, just confidence.

You don't get drafted if you don't have some talent. How that talent translates into the game at the highest level is a different question.

Cale has serious question marks in regards to some of the more physical aspects of the game and his ability to stand up in high pressure situations.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

You don't get drafted if you don't have some talent. How that talent translates into the game at the highest level is a different question.

Cale has serious question marks in regards to some of the more physical aspects of the game and his ability to stand up in high pressure situations.

On a question about Tunbridge, if he is training to be our 'big' inside midfielder wouldn't he also be required to bulk up considerably more? I do like the idea though of him becoming a big and strong bodied midfielder over the next few years

 

[Double the Fist]

I'm really impressed with our newbies. Really seem to be having a crack.

I think they all know they are now at a club that is on the precipice of real success. I believe they all want to play a part in that.
Its widely documented we are on the cusp so its no surprise to me. Bodes well for the immediate future.

 

[Double the Fist]

Cale Morton = Andrew Mcdougall?

Say it isn't so!

Its cool. We will just trade him to the Doggies....

 

[mattyc75]

On a question about Tunbridge, if he is training to be our 'big' inside midfielder wouldn't he also be required to bulk up considerably more? I do like the idea though of him becoming a big and strong bodied midfielder over the next few years

he is pretty big already isnt he?probably wouldnt want him getting too much bigger ,just build up his stamina and also explosive pace which i believe he has been working on already on his own after training

 

[Marlin01]

he is pretty big already isnt he?probably wouldnt want him getting too much bigger ,just build up his stamina and also explosive pace which i believe he has been working on already on his own after training

Yep, he's a serious unit for a midfielder. Different shape, but similar size to Darling.

 

[fryzie]

Got a source for that because that is pretty messed up if true?

No source, but I definitely read that Cale had hired a personal trainer - not sure when that started though. It could have been in the off-season only. Still, the same applies - he obviously wants to give himself the best chance to really make it this time round.

I'm pretty sure it was just for the off-season.

He obviously just wanted to come back really fit for 2013 regardless of what club he was at.

I can't find the news article that mentioned it recently when we first drafted him but I think it was going on the entire year, not just this off-season.

Here is a thread on Cale at Demonland from February 2012 where they are discussing the fact that he had hired his own personal trainer during the last pre-season at Melbourne.

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28724-cale-morton/page-3

 

[sydney eagle]

Cale Morton = Andrew Mcdougall?

Say it isn't so!

Hey if Morton can kick 30 + goals for us in a season (as McDougall did) i'd be satisfied.

 

[royalsfan]

Cale Morton = Andrew Mcdougall?

Say it isn't so!

OK. It isn't so.

I believe Morton will be the surprise packet of the season.

 

[Chris_6678]

OK. It isn't so.

I believe Morton will be the surprise packet of the season.

I would have to agree , the pressure if off him now and i can see him dominating the WAFL and coming in later in the season. Does any one think he could play as 3rd tall?