Health Depression

[Run n Spread]

Well yes, of course there is a unique degree of difficulty involved with each scenario and person but regardless of that it is always technically within your control.

I will buy that it is within your control how you externally present but the internal damage done or feelings aren't always within conscious control. e.g. Lets say a person/behaviour circumstance really sh(*s you. You can choose not to create a tantrum fight externally, but internally how you feel by that is not always easy to control. (That is more dependent how you evolve in life).

 

[vonn]

I will buy that it is within your control how you externally present but the internal damage done or feelings aren't always within conscious control. e.g. Lets say a person/behaviour circumstance really sh(*s you. You can choose not to create a tantrum fight externally, but internally how you feel by that is not always easy to control. (That is more dependent how you evolve in life).

That's true, but it's important that people know that no matter how difficult or trying the circumstance is internally- they do have the power to win the fight, and it really is a fight. If you give up, you have nothing.

 

[Run n Spread]

That's true, but it's important that people know that no matter how difficult or trying the circumstance is internally- they do have the power to win the fight, and it really is a fight. If you give up, you have nothing.

Giving up on certain things thou (depending on circumstances) can be liberating. Enables you to reset your goals and live within a set focus which can be beneficial in terms of coping. Better then trying to win a losing fight.

Although I definitely wouldn't advise younger people on the forum to do that (and some are youngish based on what you have disclosed and me guessing based on your posts). Your far better off recognising the trend of your life and taking steps to control it, (would be hellish initially but well worth it) taking charge and setting your own terms and circumstance for the future. Each to their own thou and ultimately is up to the individual.

 

[timtamWB]

That's true, but it's important that people know that no matter how difficult or trying the circumstance is internally- they do have the power to win the fight, and it really is a fight. If you give up, you have nothing.

Exactly this. And for me specifically, even though it may feel sometimes like I have given up, even though I feel like I have no friends and no one really cares about me and I'm going nowhere in life, the fact that I'm not going out and trying to kill myself anymore is a win for me. It's baby steps to fight the disposition and perceived opinion that you can't actually win the fight, and then more baby steps to actually win that fight.

 

[DalBoySanto]

to all people suffering depression ( as a x sufferer and a person who knows it all to well but who is well past it ) DONT THINK ABOUT THE PAST and what could have been etc etc be happy your alive look forward to each day exercise go to the footy dont thnk about money too much material stuff will not make you super happy.

 

[Engimal]

"It's all about confidence. It's true. If I say, 'I'm the coolest guy in the world.' And I believe I'm the coolest guy in world then suddenly I become the coolest guy in the world."

- Mr Rosso (Freaks and Geeks)

 

[timtamWB]

to all people suffering depression ( as a x sufferer and a person who knows it all to well but who is well past it ) DONT THINK ABOUT THE PAST and what could have been etc etc be happy your alive look forward to each day exercise go to the footy dont thnk about money too much material stuff will not make you super happy.

You can't tell someone not to think about the past. You know what happens when you tell someone not to think about the past? They think about the past. You can't just stop it, you can't just one day go "Right, today I'm going to stop thinking about that." That's not how it works at all. God if it was, do you really think I would spend every day in hell because of things in the past? Well yes, because I have hardly anything to look forward to, but it wouldn't be half as bad. When there isn't anybody that cares about you, when you literally shut off all communication for a week, so fb down and mobile off, don't turn up to uni for a week, and nobody even tried to message you or call you except for your shitty part time job waiting tables, and nobody noticed you were gone, then not thinking about the past, even if you are able to do it, will mean jack shit.

For those people that are lonely and can't connect with people, that can't go out and make friends, then every day is hard. And it's worse when you know that that is who you are and it's always going to be like that.

 

[Run n Spread]

You can't tell someone not to think about the past. You know what happens when you tell someone not to think about the past? They think about the past. You can't just stop it, you can't just one day go "Right, today I'm going to stop thinking about that." That's not how it works at all. God if it was, do you really think I would spend every day in hell because of things in the past? Well yes, because I have hardly anything to look forward to, but it wouldn't be half as bad. When there isn't anybody that cares about you, when you literally shut off all communication for a week, so fb down and mobile off, don't turn up to uni for a week, and nobody even tried to message you or call you except for your shitty part time job waiting tables, and nobody noticed you were gone, then not thinking about the past, even if you are able to do it, will mean jack shit.

For those people that are lonely and can't connect with people, that can't go out and make friends, then every day is hard. And it's worse when you know that that is who you are and it's always going to be like that.

Feel for you mate and can see where you are coming from. I realise it is not easy to make changes but sometimes doing nothing has its own consequences. Just try and do something you enjoy when you are up for it. Hopefully that gives you a clarity of mind then where you can work out solutions. If possible I'd think what you enjoy doing and/or have knowledge about and try and figure out a way to make money off that. Forget about the sh*&* part time job, that crap will never change.

I am fully aware it is not easy but at this point when you have described what you have your life is your own and you are free to do as you please. Just do what the fu&* you want (within reason) and set the terms you want. Not easy but hopefully you have time on your side.

 

[timtamWB]

Feel for you mate and can see where you are coming from. I realise it is not easy to make changes but sometimes doing nothing has its own consequences. Just try and do something you enjoy when you are up for it. Hopefully that gives you a clarity of mind then where you can work out solutions. If possible I'd think what you enjoy doing and/or have knowledge about and try and figure out a way to make money off that. Forget about the sh*&* part time job, that crap will never change.

I am fully aware it is not easy but at this point when you have described what you have your life is your own and you are free to do as you please. Just do what the fu&* you want (within reason) and set the terms you want. Not easy but hopefully you have time on your side.

If I did whatever the **** I wanted, without changing anything then I would stay in bed most of the day, get up, go play with one of my bands, either prac or gig, then come home go sleep. But I can't do that, because I have uni and work, and stressing over assignments.

I already know what I enjoy doing, which is mostly playing music, and well we all know how much money comes out of that Alternatively trying to get into the live sound scene, but that's not exactly the easiest industry to get into either. That's what my course is, Audio Production, but I'm struggling to go to class and struggling to get a lot of the work done, and I'll honestly probably end up failing, just because I'm too far behind with everything.

The thing is, I have hardly any friends, hardly anyone to talk to. Sure I go see a psychologist, but that doesn't work when you're at your lowest at 2am and the few friends you do have are all either ****ing or cuddling with someone, and you're all alone like you have been your whole life, and you're just lying there thinking about the easiest way to kill yourself and wondering where the **** you went wrong.

I've already heard all the supposed solutions. I've already tried all the supposed ways to make yourself better. I've already admitted myself to hospital before. I'm already seeing a psychologist. Nothing works, nothing changes. I just have to accept the fact that I really am just a failure at everything I try to do, and nobody will ever love me.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

All the funds I have left (defined by business as "profit") will be totalled....and then I'm splitting. Being single, unemployed and childless....I plan to just travel...

...Unless things change dramatically in the next 48 hours and then over the following weeks, this is my direction. It's astonishing how free I feel. I'm not really excited...to be honest, I'm a little frightened But, it feels....right. Clarity.

Travel is good for mind, body, soul and spirit, Sausages. I don't know if you ended up going overseas, but travelling is open-world therapy. It really is. Self-reliance becomes a theme if you're doing a solo mission, and living by your wits where nobody speaks your language can actually boost your self-worth. I rediscovered myself while travelling. Sure there were mishaps along the way, but each and every one I feel has made me wiser. Tougher.

You realise that you are viable. You realise that the world does not belong to your ex - and that they are NOTHING in a grander scheme of things. The world becomes yours again. A place you live in and where those who ever did you wrong grow smaller and smaller as they fade into the distance. Both physically and psychologically.

And like that, they're gone...

 

[Run n Spread]

If I did whatever the **** I wanted, without changing anything then I would stay in bed most of the day, get up, go play with one of my bands, either prac or gig, then come home go sleep. But I can't do that, because I have uni and work, and stressing over assignments.

I already know what I enjoy doing, which is mostly playing music, and well we all know how much money comes out of that Alternatively trying to get into the live sound scene, but that's not exactly the easiest industry to get into either. That's what my course is, Audio Production, but I'm struggling to go to class and struggling to get a lot of the work done, and I'll honestly probably end up failing, just because I'm too far behind with everything.

The thing is, I have hardly any friends, hardly anyone to talk to. Sure I go see a psychologist, but that doesn't work when you're at your lowest at 2am and the few friends you do have are all either ******* or cuddling with someone, and you're all alone like you have been your whole life, and you're just lying there thinking about the easiest way to kill yourself and wondering where the **** you went wrong.

I've already heard all the supposed solutions. I've already tried all the supposed ways to make yourself better. I've already admitted myself to hospital before. I'm already seeing a psychologist. Nothing works, nothing changes. I just have to accept the fact that I really am just a failure at everything I try to do, and nobody will ever love me.

OK I get your point. I won't offer any advice except to say that if you fail make sure it's on your terms and expectations not someone else s. Aside from that all life is about sometimes is survival. Does suck but just hang in and hope the wheel turns as nothing lasts forever.

As for the friends sh*& I get your point but odds are mate to spite the media hype and bulls&* no one really wants to hear about it. Everyone has their own sh*( and really don't want to hear it. Hell I don't really have anyone I can talk to about my latest catastrophe or life ailments and worries, depression etc and I personally really could use that. All you can do is what it takes to survive and find a way somehow to get life back on your terms. Just survive for now, hopefully things turn in your favour and take opportunity when it comes. All the best.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

"It's all about confidence. It's true. If I say, 'I'm the coolest guy in the world.' And I believe I'm the coolest guy in world then suddenly I become the coolest guy in the world."

- Mr Rosso (Freaks and Geeks)

For whatever reason I remember this line off by heart......... Shell

 

[nicky]

Last week i listened to quite a few webinars from the thyroid sessions. Most sessions were interviews with Doctors, one in particular, whom i found the most fascinating was a psychiartrist and she doesn't prescribe anti depressants anymore - she takes a holistic approach to treating people with depression and other mental illness.
One thing she said in this webinar that stood out was the first things she tells a patient with depression is to remove ALL gluten from their diet - doesn't matter if you're NOT coeliac or gluten sensitive - gluten can have negative neurological effects on ALL humans...

http://thethyroidsessions.com/dr-kelly-brogan/

I've also been researching intestinal permeability and how that effects every part of your body, hormonal functions and well being - what is at the forefront of causing this in humans - YES GLUTEN.

I urge everyone to try and cut it out of their diets ESPECIALLy those with depression, schizophrenia, brain degenerative diseases etc...

 

[Hodgepodge]

Funnily enough my anti-depressants actually make me more depressed. I take them for my anxiety, which is considerable.

 

[timtamWB]

Funnily enough my anti-depressants actually make me more depressed. I take them for my anxiety, which is considerable.

It's not uncommon for this to happen, I had to try three different anti-depressants before I actually found some that work. Just tell your doctor/psychologist that they're making you more depressed and you can try a different brand.

 

[Hodgepodge]

It's not uncommon for this to happen, I had to try three different anti-depressants before I actually found some that work. Just tell your doctor/psychologist that they're making you more depressed and you can try a different brand.

Nah, they're too good on my anxiety. Virtually eliminated it.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Nah, they're too good on my anxiety. Virtually eliminated it.

What are you taking?

 

[Run n Spread]

Nah, they're too good on my anxiety. Virtually eliminated it.

How do they go with alcohol? What combination to they best go with? The only way to eliminate anxiety is through booze/ drugs. Sometimes you just run out of ideas or are too far cooked and you need a rebooting to reset the brain. Seriously thinking about booking an appointment with the doc and just getting prescribed something. Obviously not to discuss health issues, medical causes as in my experience it has proven next to useless. Only positive been the docs have a prescription pad which is a gateway to the good stuff.

 

[Hodgepodge]

What are you taking?

Cymbalta.

 

[Hodgepodge]

I understand myself too well. At the point now where I can predict the rest of my life based on my characteristics, attributes, and other probabilities. I see no point in carrying on and living out the likely outcomes.

 

[Dumpstar]

Does everyone turn into a zombie on anti-depressants? I've just started taking them because I was trying for months to work out of this but I thought I needed some help.

I can't imagine being more of a zombie than I am now.

 

[nicky]

look into getting off them and changing your diet. I know of a psychartrist that screams from the top of the mountains that people with depression need to get gluten out of their diets. She doesnt prescribe anti ds anymore as she works on nutrition with her patients..

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Does everyone turn into a zombie on anti-depressants? I've just started taking them because I was trying for months to work out of this but I thought I needed some help.

I can't imagine being more of a zombie than I am now.

Give it a couple weeks.

The first week or 2 are the hardest regarding side effects.

 

[timtamWB]

Does everyone turn into a zombie on anti-depressants? I've just started taking them because I was trying for months to work out of this but I thought I needed some help.

I can't imagine being more of a zombie than I am now.

Nah it's completely different for everyone and completely dependant on the person. Some people take more active anti-depressants, others take more sedating ones. But it's more of a gradual change, not a slow gradual change, but you're not going to wake up one morning thinking "I'm just so much better right now than I was yesterday."

 

[Dumpstar]

look into getting off them and changing your diet. I know of a psychartrist that screams from the top of the mountains that people with depression need to get gluten out of their diets. She doesnt prescribe anti ds anymore as she works on nutrition with her patients..

Give it a couple weeks.

The first week or 2 are the hardest regarding side effects.

Sorry I definitely wasn't clear enough. I can't imagine being more of a zombie than I am when I'm suffering badly from my depression. The only time I was vaguely outgoing or enjoying myself was when I was drinking. I felt I had no choice but to try something.

I've already improved my diet in the last week (small steps I know) and have increased exercise from zero to riding my bike almost every day.

Regarding side effects; I had bad side effects the first night. If you read the list I probably had them all. They have improved greatly in the following days (although I have had no sex drive for a week and barely had an erection but I'm told that's very common). And in the last 3-4 days after the insomnia side effect wore off I've been sleeping better than I have for months. I'm a lot calmer before I go to bed and not freaking out about every little thing. It feels like I'm thinking more rationally about situations. I don't want to get my hopes too high though, it's only been a week and this is probably all placebo.